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Adrian Clark | Average to Savage EP141

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This is the one hundred and forty-first episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring entrepreneur Adrian Clark. Paul Guarino talked with Adrian Clark discussing how his career started in the NBA world, working in boxing for 10+ years, and being an author of 5 books.

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This podcast interview with Adrian Clark was originally recorded on September 16, 2021

...this is the average to Savage podcastwith paul Guerrino. Everyone in anyone athletes celebs andmuch more. Today's episode is brought to you by BUSR dot com. You know, everyone always asks me where they should bet and now Igot a solution for them, the U. S. R. Dot com slash paul. You deposit $100they'll match your $100 in free bets, so you basically get $200 Go check itout, be USr dot com slash paul up. Everybody. I'm back for another episode.The Average Savage podcast, our special guest today is Adrienne Clarke Adrian.How's it going? All good bro, Average, the average the savage, that's fittingfor me bro. So all good though man, Good to see you, you to appreciate youcoming on. Uh let's just let's just go back and time a little bit. How how didyou get first started in the sports industry man? Um my close friend andgrowing up, my childhood friend, C. J. Miles, who 15 year NBA vet started outwith the Utah, jazz and then moved on to Cleveland cavaliers, indiana Pacers,uh wizards, Toronto Raptors, Memphis Grizzlies, I believe he gave me mystart man. And it was just more so kind of like an internship after I graduatedcollege I moved to Utah to kind of just learn the business kind of justwatching him and he's in in his environment and learning thebusinessman. Um It was my mindset to be one of the best NBA agents um youngestNBA agents but it seems like boxing was more so my calling But C. J. Was mystart into sports entertainment. Yeah. Yeah that's awesome then. Yeah I sawyou. I didn't even know until I was I was doing some research. I didn't knowyou were amateur boxer back in your day. Yeah man I started at 21 man. Me and mybrother and my brother passed away in 2006 but my brother is the one thatreally taught me how to box, taught me how to fight. And we always with boxman like that was my that was I was his favorite opponent was always it wouldalways beat me up and um once I once he passed away and then I went to texas Aand M down in Corpus Christi found the boxing gym man and like literally it'shistory from there bro. So um yeah I fought 2007 to 2000 and nine and Iwasn't I wasn't very good but that was my starting to boxing. Yeah for sure.Then what what year was it like you stopped being an NBA agent and then yougot into boxing. So I was certified in 2012 I believe 2012 was my first year. I didn't haveany case man. You know I know like ignorance is bliss so to speak but Ididn't know how much money was you know I'm saying required to actually be asuccessful NBA agent so I was only an agent certified for a year. I didn'thave any clients. I went after Tony Mitchell who from Dallas also like meand he was drafted in the second round...

...by the pistons. Um he had a decision tomake between myself and see a of course he went with C. A. Which is aconglomerate but you know, that's that was my one year experience was a goodexperience. But boxing was really the calling man that I never saw come. Yeah,yeah, for sure. And then tell me a little bit like how'd you got into that?I know you work with like aero Spence and a lot of other guys like that, youknow jerry Belmontes as was my first client man, you know, my amateurexperience actually helped that because jerry was at my fights, you know jerrywas actually in Corpus Christi to watch me fight. So he remembered what I'msaying. This this guy that he would not only see in a boxing ring, but we wouldsee each other around town at the club or I will see him running and you know,not not even five years later I'm this guy's manager man like it's it's like amovie how it happened. But I started with jerry and that was my that was mycrash course essentially into professional boxing because unlike theN. B. A. And other sports, you know, there's no um there's no union orplayers association to help navigate water in regard to the sport. They justthrow you in the water and you figure it out from there. But jerry was mystart and I learned everything through managing him and things just grew fromthere man. And I was able to do it for about a decade and got out of it. Yeah,yeah, for sure. And then I know, I don't even know how many books you havebecause every time I turn around on facebook you got like your new book, DoI think? What is it three or four, five minutes? Actually five. It's actuallyit's actually five and I'm I'm trying to wait to put out the sixth book. I'mstill working on some things, but I think six is going to be the magicnumber for me man. I'm uh I'm gonna call it quits after six. But honestlyas an author man, just, you kind of go with what hits you. So if somethinghits me after six then who knows? Yeah. So protect yourself at all times is uhyour, I guess your main your main thing and it was like teaching. I listen toit to a while a long time ago. But I think I remember when it came out whenit came out like 2000 17, 16, 16, I remember listening to it andit just taught you like all about like you know, the boxers and things likethat, how to watch your back basically and things like that. So what we likeinspired you to write that like that was your first book honestly man myexperience and you know I got a little bit of the experience as far as likethe the NBA side so how it is with the agents with the P. A. And how theyregulate the agents and how much they make. And they actually give a goodeducation to the aspiring or the new sports agents or player agents. So Ikind of just took that that narrative and then um mixed it in withprofessional boxing even though there is something to really mix it in with.I came up with some creative things...

...that could help protect the fightersand um some things I'm working on going forward is something to help educatethe managers as the P. A. Um They help with the player agents. Uh I'm going tohelp with boxing management as far as like helping the managers hit theground running coming into the sport. You know I was a manager for a decademan in in 10 years, Pete. Like nothing changed, there was nothing on theinternet that can help you out getting your foot in the door or hitting theground running as far as like okay now I'm a manager now what what's the firststep what do I do? How do I do it like there's nothing out there likeliterally as we speak. There's nothing out there. Uh So I'm gonna, you knowthat's my role now man to really, I learned the game so now it's my time togive people the game man if they want to. Yeah. Yeah for sure. And then Iknow in 2019 you actually joined like a sports agency group but what was thatlike to I guess go now, I don't want to say backwards but like you wereindependent and then you joined the agency. So what was that like for youat the time it was perfect. I knew that I was done with boxing management but Ialways told myself that I was gonna sell a c sports management. I toldmyself Back in like 2000 and maybe it was like 13 or 14 that I was going tosell to Wasserman group. Um And you know I reached out a couple of timesjust to try to make a connection but um I end up selling the Balaji group. SoWasserman group Balaji group is still a group. So it was just it was perfecttiming man. And um I was able to to get a little bit of money from it, but thenalso able to acquire a good little salary and help build a bison divisionfor for the company, I was only there nine months, something else that wasactually more beneficial. Uh New challenge came up but balanced groupwould love to to the company and a really good group. Yeah, for sure. Isthat, that next thing was the, was the fight network? Yeah, man, yeah, youknow, getting into television and uh it was a new challenge, man, it'ssomething that honestly, I didn't plan for, it came out of nowhere and um Iwas like, you know what the hell, like, let's let's do it. Um I was there forabout a year and change and I was able to do to protect yourself at all timesseven part series with the fight network, but um I learned a lot aboutthe television network and they don't move as fast as, as as as entrepreneursdo. So, um I got impatient with a lot of things and I was disappointed that alot of ideas that I pitched did not uh like go through, like, perfect example.So before, like, now you're seeing like a lot of celebrity boxing going on,like with the pole yo, when I first got with them, like I told them like, yothis is something that we should do, like, we should go with celebrityboxing, or like, kind of like a tournament, like,...

...to reintroduce remember a guy namedbutter bean from back in the day, butter bean became um a start, but itwas from tough man competition. So that was actually my idea, let's reintroducethe tough man competition and televising on fighting network to bringmore of the following, but they didn't bite for it man. And then all of asudden we see celebrity boss and take off and I'm like, bruh, you see, I knowI may be young, but I know what I'm talking about. So that was a goodexperience though. Yeah, I don't know if, you know, Anthony marcella is fromRhode Island, He's a boxer. uh he actually, while I was at the fight, heactually walked out um, with Bryce Hall, you know who that is? The Tiktoker?Like, uh, I think it was probably 2000 Navy 17 or 18 because he was like, hewas living out there with him and stuff. So it was like crazy to see that hallbecause he did the same, like, he pitched the same idea. But then, andthen it actually happened this year and then, yeah, it's crazy. Right? Crazyman. So yeah, going into that, what do you, what do you think about the paulbrothers? Hey man, making money, man? I mean, youknow, honestly, you know, they've, they've infiltrated the sport and Idon't knock anybody from, from making their money man and making their markand creating their legacy and it just shows you like there's no uh there's nogatekeepers embossing and it just honestly shows you how easy it is to uhinfiltrate the sport and become someone within the sport, but no, not to thoseguys at all man, they're both doing the, both doing their thing and uh, I don'tknow how long it's gonna last but they're already making crazy money so Idon't really have a thought on it. I think it's I think it's good but I canpoint out some bad but no need to. Yeah, for sure. No, like there, I mean Iwould say like they're probably like the best markers um and at this pointlike it's pretty crazy but the green on that, on the on that side of things umlike you think you think jake paul could be like a legit like contender orno no no no not not with the real guys man, not with the guys that actually doit. Um you know you keep getting those mm mm a guy's man that have big name umEmma guys with respect to what they do. Most of them are not very good strikerswithin their own sports. So trying to come over the boxing and only be ableto, you know, just use your your arms in your head essentially. Um you seethe crossover has not been relatively good. So if I'm the paul brothers ummaybe your last fight then yeah, you get in with a big name boxer and getyour ass up and it'll be worth it because the money will be there, butfor right now there's no reason to there's no reason to do it unless it'sa big name like Floyd, Mayweather or canelo or something that it's gonna becrazy. So yeah, yeah, for sure. And now, what, what are you doing now? Besides,like, I know you just said you're thinking about your six book. Yeah, butof course protect yourself at all times is like that, that's going to besomething that...

...there's something in the worst I can't,I'm waiting for, like, the head not or for the handshake, essentially, so wecould announce a major partnership that's actually gonna bring a big shift,um, as far as, like, the educational standpoint goes, hopefully that willhappen in the next couple of weeks. We'll see, but protect yourself at alltimes is really the focal point for me, because that, that educational systemis missing in the sport of boxing and it's not like professional boxers arenot being taken advantage of. Like right now, it's something that's beengoing on for for decades and um, I'm not, I'm not going to be the guy tostop it, so to speak, but I'll be the guy, I've been the guy that hasintroduced um, an educational system to the sport that has not ever beenintroduced before, so I think I'm kind of um flattening the curve, I hateusing that phrase, but as far as guys been taking advantage of, or theeducation not being there or people are just not knowing better. I think thatconversation is coming to an end because I'm putting something out therefor people to know better in hopes that they actually do better. So protectyourself at all times my focal point and will be until it gets to where,where I see it in my head. Yeah, for sure. I don't know if you saw, I thinkit came out like yesterday that uh M. M. A. Is trying to form like some kind oflike a NBA like a C. B. A. Or something like that. Yeah, I mean, you know,that's gonna be, I'm not gonna, it's gonna be tough, butlike they should start with like a council. If I were, if I were workingwith those guys, it's like, look, let's let's form a council, that's formerfighters council to where whoever the best fighter is at that point in time,whoever has the most knowledge of world versus within the business have them asthe president and you form out your your your counsel, so to speak and thatbecomes your voice. So nothing can happen in regards to mandates for forthe UFC without the council being alerted or part of negotiations. I feelyou have to start their like once you get organized, man, you know, thingsbecome easier from there, but you got to get, you gotta get organized justsaying that you're going to do something that doesn't, that don'tbring change. I've seen it so much in boxing, you know, people on twitter orwhatever, like we should do this or fighters should do this. It's good talk,but when it comes to that action man, nobody is doing anything. So like likeMarshawn lynch always I'm about that action boss. So I don't really say toomuch on social media. Um I know what I'm doing behind the scenes so it'slike I'm about that action man, all they're talking, I'll leave it up tosomebody else I'm actually doing on my end. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Now how didyou get uh J. Prince to to forward your book. J is the only man. That's that'swhy I spent a lot of time with dude man and the knowledge that he has man isyou know jay don't really, they don't...

...really say too many words you don'thave to, but when he does speak man is like it's automatic knowledge man,whatever is either instructing you to do or telling you to do or advising youto do it. It's valuable stuff man. So um I was privileged to uh he scared mea few years ago with the phone call man, he kind of cold called me and um Ithink it was either bob erin or somebody gave him my number that hecalled me in regards to something and he just called me out the blue man andit scared the hell out of me. But ever since then man, you know, we've beenjust good friends. I've been over to his house and we've talked about booksand movies and life and boxing of course I've got to know a lot about himjust as a man. So James mom James my homie man. That's that's much love tothe O. G. Man. Yeah so this is gonna be a loaded question for you. But whatwhat advice would you give somebody trying to be come like either a boxingmanager like trying to get into like the sports management field? I just had this conversation earlierman and where I'm not gonna say where it's turning to, it's always been thisway but you know it's like a fraternity man like you, it's not really who youknow it's like who knows you and you know networking is one thing but umI'll be real with you, it's like if you're building an empire, whatever itmay be um you don't want to let too many unknowns or like people that youreally don't know with into your system, especially if it's one that's that'sworking pretty strongly, you want to know who those people know who they'reconnected with or who they're tied into. So I would I would tell someone that istrying to get in the same thing I told young lady earlier, it's like bro likewho knows you like what what's your in into the business if it's just becauseyou're a great marketer and you know I'm saying you're really passionateabout it, There's a lot of people that are great market is that, that arereally passionate about it. What's gonna set you aside from thatindividual? Or if you feel like I'm saying, you know, so much about thebusiness, there's probably a lot of people that know about the business.What's gonna set you aside from them to get you inside that door, man. So it'snot about what, you know, really, it's about about who knows you, that'sreally what I brought it down to. Who knows you and who can you attachyourself to to get into the door? The focal point is getting inside the door.Once you get inside the doorman, you can navigate your own way from there,but the kids to get inside the door and trust me, I've I've walked up to thedoor and knocked on it and ask people nicely, Hey man, you guys let me inplease. I'm a really nice that don't work. So you gotta you gotta findanother way inside the inside the door. Yeah, definitely. Uh I know we bothknow AJ galanti. Did you get to watch the documentary? Of course. You knowwhat's crazy? What's crazy about that? I've been knowing a J for years. Henever told me Any of that. Like, he...

...never told me about his pops. He toldme that his dad I'm saying was like, he had did a bit or whatever, but he nevertold me any back information on his pops, he never told me about him beingI'm saying the GM at 17, there was so much that they didn't tell me, but acouple of days before it came out he texts me and uh he was like, no, no nojudgment man, like don't judge me for what you see. And I'm thinking likewhat are you talking about? AJ has always been just this nice, respectful,like individual. He's always been like, just so cool. So when I'm watching it,I'm like, who is this? I don't know who this is on the, on the screen right now,man, I was so that's probably one of the best documentaries I've ever seen.Even if I didn't know home, even if I didn't know AJ it still would be one ofthe best documentary I've ever seen man. So much respect to what the historythey made, bruh man. That's crazy man. Yeah, it was dope. Yeah. See like Ithink just being from Connecticut I knew about the story, so like I feellike if I were in your shoes, I would be like the same. Like I probablywouldn't if I just do it from boxing then I know like what you're saying man,bro, I was blown away like a J for a while. Why didn't you tell me any ofthis man? He was like, he just never came up and I was like, no man, you'resupposed to tell me about this man, but it was it was really dope man. Yeah,for sure. Yeah, I had him on today actually. So it was cool to uh get thewhole story and just bullshit with him. But it's funny. Uh are you ready forsome fun questions? All right, let's do it. Uh What's what's your favoritething to do? Like when you have free time, get a massage man, Like I'm 35now. So like 10 years ago, I would be like, man, shit. My favorite thing todo is go out to a club and get a section bro and turn all the way y'all.Um And then figure out how to get home. But like now, man, honestly, I need anhour massage and yeah, that's my favorite thing to do bro. I like that.What's your favorite song right now? Favorite song right now is um Oh TheLife of the Party, Kanye West and 103,000. Not, not really. Kanye's verse,but 103,000 verse man. Classic, classic, classic. So, that's I've been I've beenhaving that song on repeat lately. All right. If I come to Dallas, what whatrestaurant do I got to go to? Mm That's a that's a it's texas. It'sthe south. So people talk about barbecue. Um you can kind of pick anybarbecue restaurant in texas in Dallas especially and you can't go wrong. UmBut for me though. You come into texas And are you rolling with me? I willtake you to Velvet Taco? Velvet Taco is the spot to go to? All right? You'reyou're a cowboys fan? Right. Hell no,...

...no. I see it. I see the things behindyou isn't. So what's great? So what that is like I actually, I rented out,I rented out the stadium, which not, that sounds kind of big. I didn'trealize the entire stadium, I didn't, I didn't event at the stadium, so Irented out a nice piece of time and that's my son and my son, myself and mymom and my dad or standing behind us. I'm throwing touchdown pass to my son,which he dropped so it wasn't a touchdown. But um, you know, they letus get on the field and run around and throw the football around or whateverit may be, but I'm not a cowboys fan. I will never be a cowboys fan is just Ilive in Dallas. I was doing a fundraiser and the stadium is beautiful.I always admit that, but it'll be a cold and help forever represents who's your team? Let's go san Francisco.I'm yeah, I'm a night is fan. My name is fan. My dad man, my dad raised me,he raised me on the night is bro and I followed my dad man. All right, so howdo you think so? My original question is going to say, how do you, how do youthink the cowboys are going to do. So how do you think the 49 ers are goingto do this year? I'll answer both questions. The Cowboys were, thecowboys were underachieve as they've done the past 30 years. They willunderachieve like they they may make the playoffs, but if they do, they willlose in their first game before the 49 ers man. We just also running back forthe year and we lost our cornerback for the year. So we lost to start. It'slike our first game out. I think this happened, I want to say last year theyear before last, but I hope it's going to the playoffs. I think what we'rereally trying to figure out is our quarterback right now. Like of courseGaroppolo is the guy that we paid, but We just drafted trey lance with thenumber three. Okay, you don't you don't just bench the number three pick justbecause uh once we figure that out, you know, I think we can make another runat, at a Super bowl. But for right now I see it just realistically making theplayoffs. All right, well I appreciate you coming on. And uh can you let thelisteners know where you can follow us on social media? Um I don't say nothingon twitter man, but you can follow me on their uh the the Adrian clark on onI. G which I'm most probably active on is a c underscore clark and on facebookAdrian clark or protect yourself at all times LLC and you know hit me up on anyof those men and I'll respond to you again appreciate it and best of luckwith everything you're doing. I'm always keeping track of what you'redoing and uh I'll be checking out the sixth book when it comes out. G my GodI'm I'm proud of you brother man keep breaking down doors. This episode has been brought to you byB. Usr dot com. Go check it out to get...

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