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Adrian Clark | Average to Savage EP141

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This is the one hundred and forty-first episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring entrepreneur Adrian Clark. Paul Guarino talked with Adrian Clark discussing how his career started in the NBA world, working in boxing for 10+ years, and being an author of 5 books.

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This podcast interview with Adrian Clark was originally recorded on September 16, 2021

...this is the average to Savage podcast with paul Guerrino. Everyone in anyone athletes celebs and much more. Today's episode is brought to you by B USR dot com. You know, everyone always asks me where they should bet and now I got a solution for them, the U. S. R. Dot com slash paul. You deposit $100 they'll match your $100 in free bets, so you basically get $200 Go check it out, be USr dot com slash paul up. Everybody. I'm back for another episode. The Average Savage podcast, our special guest today is Adrienne Clarke Adrian. How's it going? All good bro, Average, the average the savage, that's fitting for me bro. So all good though man, Good to see you, you to appreciate you coming on. Uh let's just let's just go back and time a little bit. How how did you get first started in the sports industry man? Um my close friend and growing up, my childhood friend, C. J. Miles, who 15 year NBA vet started out with the Utah, jazz and then moved on to Cleveland cavaliers, indiana Pacers, uh wizards, Toronto Raptors, Memphis Grizzlies, I believe he gave me my start man. And it was just more so kind of like an internship after I graduated college I moved to Utah to kind of just learn the business kind of just watching him and he's in in his environment and learning the businessman. Um It was my mindset to be one of the best NBA agents um youngest NBA agents but it seems like boxing was more so my calling But C. J. Was my start into sports entertainment. Yeah. Yeah that's awesome then. Yeah I saw you. I didn't even know until I was I was doing some research. I didn't know you were amateur boxer back in your day. Yeah man I started at 21 man. Me and my brother and my brother passed away in 2006 but my brother is the one that really taught me how to box, taught me how to fight. And we always with box man like that was my that was I was his favorite opponent was always it would always beat me up and um once I once he passed away and then I went to texas A and M down in Corpus Christi found the boxing gym man and like literally it's history from there bro. So um yeah I fought 2007 to 2000 and nine and I wasn't I wasn't very good but that was my starting to boxing. Yeah for sure. Then what what year was it like you stopped being an NBA agent and then you got into boxing. So I was certified in 2012 I believe 2012 was my first year. I didn't have any case man. You know I know like ignorance is bliss so to speak but I didn't know how much money was you know I'm saying required to actually be a successful NBA agent so I was only an agent certified for a year. I didn't have any clients. I went after Tony Mitchell who from Dallas also like me and he was drafted in the second round...

...by the pistons. Um he had a decision to make between myself and see a of course he went with C. A. Which is a conglomerate but you know, that's that was my one year experience was a good experience. But boxing was really the calling man that I never saw come. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And then tell me a little bit like how'd you got into that? I know you work with like aero Spence and a lot of other guys like that, you know jerry Belmontes as was my first client man, you know, my amateur experience actually helped that because jerry was at my fights, you know jerry was actually in Corpus Christi to watch me fight. So he remembered what I'm saying. This this guy that he would not only see in a boxing ring, but we would see each other around town at the club or I will see him running and you know, not not even five years later I'm this guy's manager man like it's it's like a movie how it happened. But I started with jerry and that was my that was my crash course essentially into professional boxing because unlike the N. B. A. And other sports, you know, there's no um there's no union or players association to help navigate water in regard to the sport. They just throw you in the water and you figure it out from there. But jerry was my start and I learned everything through managing him and things just grew from there man. And I was able to do it for about a decade and got out of it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And then I know, I don't even know how many books you have because every time I turn around on facebook you got like your new book, Do I think? What is it three or four, five minutes? Actually five. It's actually it's actually five and I'm I'm trying to wait to put out the sixth book. I'm still working on some things, but I think six is going to be the magic number for me man. I'm uh I'm gonna call it quits after six. But honestly as an author man, just, you kind of go with what hits you. So if something hits me after six then who knows? Yeah. So protect yourself at all times is uh your, I guess your main your main thing and it was like teaching. I listen to it to a while a long time ago. But I think I remember when it came out when it came out like 2000 17, 16, 16, I remember listening to it and it just taught you like all about like you know, the boxers and things like that, how to watch your back basically and things like that. So what we like inspired you to write that like that was your first book honestly man my experience and you know I got a little bit of the experience as far as like the the NBA side so how it is with the agents with the P. A. And how they regulate the agents and how much they make. And they actually give a good education to the aspiring or the new sports agents or player agents. So I kind of just took that that narrative and then um mixed it in with professional boxing even though there is something to really mix it in with. I came up with some creative things...

...that could help protect the fighters and um some things I'm working on going forward is something to help educate the managers as the P. A. Um They help with the player agents. Uh I'm going to help with boxing management as far as like helping the managers hit the ground running coming into the sport. You know I was a manager for a decade man in in 10 years, Pete. Like nothing changed, there was nothing on the internet that can help you out getting your foot in the door or hitting the ground running as far as like okay now I'm a manager now what what's the first step what do I do? How do I do it like there's nothing out there like literally as we speak. There's nothing out there. Uh So I'm gonna, you know that's my role now man to really, I learned the game so now it's my time to give people the game man if they want to. Yeah. Yeah for sure. And then I know in 2019 you actually joined like a sports agency group but what was that like to I guess go now, I don't want to say backwards but like you were independent and then you joined the agency. So what was that like for you at the time it was perfect. I knew that I was done with boxing management but I always told myself that I was gonna sell a c sports management. I told myself Back in like 2000 and maybe it was like 13 or 14 that I was going to sell to Wasserman group. Um And you know I reached out a couple of times just to try to make a connection but um I end up selling the Balaji group. So Wasserman group Balaji group is still a group. So it was just it was perfect timing man. And um I was able to to get a little bit of money from it, but then also able to acquire a good little salary and help build a bison division for for the company, I was only there nine months, something else that was actually more beneficial. Uh New challenge came up but balanced group would love to to the company and a really good group. Yeah, for sure. Is that, that next thing was the, was the fight network? Yeah, man, yeah, you know, getting into television and uh it was a new challenge, man, it's something that honestly, I didn't plan for, it came out of nowhere and um I was like, you know what the hell, like, let's let's do it. Um I was there for about a year and change and I was able to do to protect yourself at all times seven part series with the fight network, but um I learned a lot about the television network and they don't move as fast as, as as as entrepreneurs do. So, um I got impatient with a lot of things and I was disappointed that a lot of ideas that I pitched did not uh like go through, like, perfect example. So before, like, now you're seeing like a lot of celebrity boxing going on, like with the pole yo, when I first got with them, like I told them like, yo this is something that we should do, like, we should go with celebrity boxing, or like, kind of like a tournament, like,...

...to reintroduce remember a guy named butter bean from back in the day, butter bean became um a start, but it was from tough man competition. So that was actually my idea, let's reintroduce the tough man competition and televising on fighting network to bring more of the following, but they didn't bite for it man. And then all of a sudden we see celebrity boss and take off and I'm like, bruh, you see, I know I may be young, but I know what I'm talking about. So that was a good experience though. Yeah, I don't know if, you know, Anthony marcella is from Rhode Island, He's a boxer. uh he actually, while I was at the fight, he actually walked out um, with Bryce Hall, you know who that is? The Tiktoker? Like, uh, I think it was probably 2000 Navy 17 or 18 because he was like, he was living out there with him and stuff. So it was like crazy to see that hall because he did the same, like, he pitched the same idea. But then, and then it actually happened this year and then, yeah, it's crazy. Right? Crazy man. So yeah, going into that, what do you, what do you think about the paul brothers? Hey man, making money, man? I mean, you know, honestly, you know, they've, they've infiltrated the sport and I don't knock anybody from, from making their money man and making their mark and creating their legacy and it just shows you like there's no uh there's no gatekeepers embossing and it just honestly shows you how easy it is to uh infiltrate the sport and become someone within the sport, but no, not to those guys at all man, they're both doing the, both doing their thing and uh, I don't know how long it's gonna last but they're already making crazy money so I don't really have a thought on it. I think it's I think it's good but I can point out some bad but no need to. Yeah, for sure. No, like there, I mean I would say like they're probably like the best markers um and at this point like it's pretty crazy but the green on that, on the on that side of things um like you think you think jake paul could be like a legit like contender or no no no no not not with the real guys man, not with the guys that actually do it. Um you know you keep getting those mm mm a guy's man that have big name um Emma guys with respect to what they do. Most of them are not very good strikers within their own sports. So trying to come over the boxing and only be able to, you know, just use your your arms in your head essentially. Um you see the crossover has not been relatively good. So if I'm the paul brothers um maybe your last fight then yeah, you get in with a big name boxer and get your ass up and it'll be worth it because the money will be there, but for right now there's no reason to there's no reason to do it unless it's a big name like Floyd, Mayweather or canelo or something that it's gonna be crazy. So yeah, yeah, for sure. And now, what, what are you doing now? Besides, like, I know you just said you're thinking about your six book. Yeah, but of course protect yourself at all times is like that, that's going to be something that...

...there's something in the worst I can't, I'm waiting for, like, the head not or for the handshake, essentially, so we could announce a major partnership that's actually gonna bring a big shift, um, as far as, like, the educational standpoint goes, hopefully that will happen in the next couple of weeks. We'll see, but protect yourself at all times is really the focal point for me, because that, that educational system is missing in the sport of boxing and it's not like professional boxers are not being taken advantage of. Like right now, it's something that's been going on for for decades and um, I'm not, I'm not going to be the guy to stop it, so to speak, but I'll be the guy, I've been the guy that has introduced um, an educational system to the sport that has not ever been introduced before, so I think I'm kind of um flattening the curve, I hate using that phrase, but as far as guys been taking advantage of, or the education not being there or people are just not knowing better. I think that conversation is coming to an end because I'm putting something out there for people to know better in hopes that they actually do better. So protect yourself at all times my focal point and will be until it gets to where, where I see it in my head. Yeah, for sure. I don't know if you saw, I think it came out like yesterday that uh M. M. A. Is trying to form like some kind of like a NBA like a C. B. A. Or something like that. Yeah, I mean, you know, that's gonna be, I'm not gonna, it's gonna be tough, but like they should start with like a council. If I were, if I were working with those guys, it's like, look, let's let's form a council, that's former fighters council to where whoever the best fighter is at that point in time, whoever has the most knowledge of world versus within the business have them as the president and you form out your your your counsel, so to speak and that becomes your voice. So nothing can happen in regards to mandates for for the UFC without the council being alerted or part of negotiations. I feel you have to start their like once you get organized, man, you know, things become easier from there, but you got to get, you gotta get organized just saying that you're going to do something that doesn't, that don't bring change. I've seen it so much in boxing, you know, people on twitter or whatever, like we should do this or fighters should do this. It's good talk, but when it comes to that action man, nobody is doing anything. So like like Marshawn lynch always I'm about that action boss. So I don't really say too much on social media. Um I know what I'm doing behind the scenes so it's like I'm about that action man, all they're talking, I'll leave it up to somebody else I'm actually doing on my end. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Now how did you get uh J. Prince to to forward your book. J is the only man. That's that's why I spent a lot of time with dude man and the knowledge that he has man is you know jay don't really, they don't...

...really say too many words you don't have to, but when he does speak man is like it's automatic knowledge man, whatever is either instructing you to do or telling you to do or advising you to do it. It's valuable stuff man. So um I was privileged to uh he scared me a few years ago with the phone call man, he kind of cold called me and um I think it was either bob erin or somebody gave him my number that he called me in regards to something and he just called me out the blue man and it scared the hell out of me. But ever since then man, you know, we've been just good friends. I've been over to his house and we've talked about books and movies and life and boxing of course I've got to know a lot about him just as a man. So James mom James my homie man. That's that's much love to the O. G. Man. Yeah so this is gonna be a loaded question for you. But what what advice would you give somebody trying to be come like either a boxing manager like trying to get into like the sports management field? I just had this conversation earlier man and where I'm not gonna say where it's turning to, it's always been this way but you know it's like a fraternity man like you, it's not really who you know it's like who knows you and you know networking is one thing but um I'll be real with you, it's like if you're building an empire, whatever it may be um you don't want to let too many unknowns or like people that you really don't know with into your system, especially if it's one that's that's working pretty strongly, you want to know who those people know who they're connected with or who they're tied into. So I would I would tell someone that is trying to get in the same thing I told young lady earlier, it's like bro like who knows you like what what's your in into the business if it's just because you're a great marketer and you know I'm saying you're really passionate about it, There's a lot of people that are great market is that, that are really passionate about it. What's gonna set you aside from that individual? Or if you feel like I'm saying, you know, so much about the business, there's probably a lot of people that know about the business. What's gonna set you aside from them to get you inside that door, man. So it's not about what, you know, really, it's about about who knows you, that's really what I brought it down to. Who knows you and who can you attach yourself to to get into the door? The focal point is getting inside the door. Once you get inside the doorman, you can navigate your own way from there, but the kids to get inside the door and trust me, I've I've walked up to the door and knocked on it and ask people nicely, Hey man, you guys let me in please. I'm a really nice that don't work. So you gotta you gotta find another way inside the inside the door. Yeah, definitely. Uh I know we both know AJ galanti. Did you get to watch the documentary? Of course. You know what's crazy? What's crazy about that? I've been knowing a J for years. He never told me Any of that. Like, he...

...never told me about his pops. He told me that his dad I'm saying was like, he had did a bit or whatever, but he never told me any back information on his pops, he never told me about him being I'm saying the GM at 17, there was so much that they didn't tell me, but a couple of days before it came out he texts me and uh he was like, no, no no judgment man, like don't judge me for what you see. And I'm thinking like what are you talking about? AJ has always been just this nice, respectful, like individual. He's always been like, just so cool. So when I'm watching it, I'm like, who is this? I don't know who this is on the, on the screen right now, man, I was so that's probably one of the best documentaries I've ever seen. Even if I didn't know home, even if I didn't know AJ it still would be one of the best documentary I've ever seen man. So much respect to what the history they made, bruh man. That's crazy man. Yeah, it was dope. Yeah. See like I think just being from Connecticut I knew about the story, so like I feel like if I were in your shoes, I would be like the same. Like I probably wouldn't if I just do it from boxing then I know like what you're saying man, bro, I was blown away like a J for a while. Why didn't you tell me any of this man? He was like, he just never came up and I was like, no man, you're supposed to tell me about this man, but it was it was really dope man. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I had him on today actually. So it was cool to uh get the whole story and just bullshit with him. But it's funny. Uh are you ready for some fun questions? All right, let's do it. Uh What's what's your favorite thing to do? Like when you have free time, get a massage man, Like I'm 35 now. So like 10 years ago, I would be like, man, shit. My favorite thing to do is go out to a club and get a section bro and turn all the way y'all. Um And then figure out how to get home. But like now, man, honestly, I need an hour massage and yeah, that's my favorite thing to do bro. I like that. What's your favorite song right now? Favorite song right now is um Oh The Life of the Party, Kanye West and 103,000. Not, not really. Kanye's verse, but 103,000 verse man. Classic, classic, classic. So, that's I've been I've been having that song on repeat lately. All right. If I come to Dallas, what what restaurant do I got to go to? Mm That's a that's a it's texas. It's the south. So people talk about barbecue. Um you can kind of pick any barbecue restaurant in texas in Dallas especially and you can't go wrong. Um But for me though. You come into texas And are you rolling with me? I will take you to Velvet Taco? Velvet Taco is the spot to go to? All right? You're you're a cowboys fan? Right. Hell no,...

...no. I see it. I see the things behind you isn't. So what's great? So what that is like I actually, I rented out, I rented out the stadium, which not, that sounds kind of big. I didn't realize the entire stadium, I didn't, I didn't event at the stadium, so I rented out a nice piece of time and that's my son and my son, myself and my mom and my dad or standing behind us. I'm throwing touchdown pass to my son, which he dropped so it wasn't a touchdown. But um, you know, they let us get on the field and run around and throw the football around or whatever it may be, but I'm not a cowboys fan. I will never be a cowboys fan is just I live in Dallas. I was doing a fundraiser and the stadium is beautiful. I always admit that, but it'll be a cold and help forever represents who's your team? Let's go san Francisco. I'm yeah, I'm a night is fan. My name is fan. My dad man, my dad raised me, he raised me on the night is bro and I followed my dad man. All right, so how do you think so? My original question is going to say, how do you, how do you think the cowboys are going to do. So how do you think the 49 ers are going to do this year? I'll answer both questions. The Cowboys were, the cowboys were underachieve as they've done the past 30 years. They will underachieve like they they may make the playoffs, but if they do, they will lose in their first game before the 49 ers man. We just also running back for the year and we lost our cornerback for the year. So we lost to start. It's like our first game out. I think this happened, I want to say last year the year before last, but I hope it's going to the playoffs. I think what we're really trying to figure out is our quarterback right now. Like of course Garoppolo is the guy that we paid, but We just drafted trey lance with the number three. Okay, you don't you don't just bench the number three pick just because uh once we figure that out, you know, I think we can make another run at, at a Super bowl. But for right now I see it just realistically making the playoffs. All right, well I appreciate you coming on. And uh can you let the listeners know where you can follow us on social media? Um I don't say nothing on twitter man, but you can follow me on their uh the the Adrian clark on on I. G which I'm most probably active on is a c underscore clark and on facebook Adrian clark or protect yourself at all times LLC and you know hit me up on any of those men and I'll respond to you again appreciate it and best of luck with everything you're doing. I'm always keeping track of what you're doing and uh I'll be checking out the sixth book when it comes out. G my God I'm I'm proud of you brother man keep breaking down doors. This episode has been brought to you by B. Usr dot com. Go check it out to get...

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