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Anthony Hamilton | Average To Savage EP129

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This is the one hundred and twenty-ninth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring Grammy award-winning artist Anthony Hamilton. Paul Guarino talked with Anthony Hamilton discussing his amazing music career, old school vs new school, and his love for MMA.

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This podcast interview with Anthony Hamilton was originally recorded on May 25, 2021

This is the Average to Savage podcastwith paul Guerrino. Everyone in anyone athletes celebs andmuch more. What's up everybody? I'm back for another episode of the averageSavage podcast. Our special guest today is Anthony Hamilton, Anthony. How's itgoing going? Good man. Just getting in uh picking up the kids carpooling, realsexy R. And B. Stuff. Right, I appreciate you coming on. Uh let's justgo back in time a little bit. Like how did you first start getting involved inmusic? You know what? Uh it man, it started like way before I was even uhhere I think before I got into my mom's belly, right, God was like you aremusic, you will sing and you know, and I never, it's not one day, one momentwhen I didn't think about music and didn't think about that being somethinguh that I love to do. So it goes way back for sure. Yeah. So I know you yougrew up in north Carolina um and then you were singing there and then um sowhat happened I saw, I read something that, um, somebody like kind ofrecruited you to, to move out to new york. Yeah, a guy by the name of Mark Sparks.Uh he had done a lot of stuff with the music industry, He's from charlotte,not charlotte north Carolina, but he was from ways borough south Carolina.And so he come and bring tons of people from, from ways, burrow from southCarolina from charlotte and he took a lot of them to new york and a lot ofpeople got deals. He landed songs on, he did shoot for salt and pepper, hedid uh, some stuff with grand poobah and a lot of people back in the day. Sohe got me a deal over uptown M. C A with jimmy, Jenkins and andre have realfrom uptown M. C A And from there I've been in the industry uh fulfill itssince 92, Yeah. And then like when you were likebefore that like what were you, how are you recording stuff and like how areyou putting out? Because I know back in the day I didn't have like you know,Soundcloud and all this stuff now. Well back then man, you know it was you know,you had to beat the streets. Uh 1 1 cassette tape At a time. 1 1 c. d. at atime. Uh just let your listeners find it through word of mouth and coming incontact with people radio was very important as it is now. Um we didn'thave as many podcasts as we do now but you know some somewhere were availablebut but it was a different, it was a different animal back there and which Imiss a lot of that. I missed the real grind of station to station. Hand to hand city.The hand money to see that, you know, all that stuff is missed a little bitnow it's so cyber, you kind of feel like you're getting robbed. You knowwhat it was like man, where the money? The money ain't just cyber cash app. Noman, put it in my hand. I got so many questions from that. Butlike all right, so now you brought that up like anything, have you thought ofanything about like people like purchasing your music and like crypto?Okay. You know, I'm still learning about crypto currency and and all thethe different, you know those corn and bit corn and all this stuff Andactually before Nipsey passed away, uh he and I want to fly together. It was aflight. I don't know if you saw it online wasjust when this guy tapped him on the shoulder and told to turn his phonedown. I was sitting right next to Nipsey um we were going, I don't knowwhere we're going from and later new yorker from new york from somewhere, Iknow if something happened and we were out there and he and I happened to be sitting beside eachother, so he was putting me on to uh he had met this young guy, it was reallygreat with building apps and stuff and he was talking about those corn andcrypto currency and all this stuff was...

...happening. So now that it's here, I'mtrying to catch up because I was listening to him, but you know, Iprobably didn't get exactly what it was, but he tried to see. So now that I knowa little bit more about it, I'm more interested in learning more. So I knowif I'm getting paid exactly what does it equate to what I'm normal what I'mwhat I'm used to as opposed to you know moving forward but I'm you know I'm notafraid of it. If I can buy some food with it and take care of my kids I'llbe all right. Yeah. It's funny you say that too because like I just searcheddodging my phone one day and then I saw my friend texted me about in like 2018and I was like damn. Like that would have been crazy if you know we investedthem and and then it's the same thing with the Bitcoin thing. I don't know ifyou just saw like the other day it was like the anniversary of this guy, hebought two pizzas I think like 10 years ago but like 10,000 Bitcoins because itwas worth nothing then and then now it would be like like a half a mill orsomething crazy like that worth a half a mil now for two pizzas wow. You know I wish I wish I was thatthat um savvy with that kind of stuff manwhen it comes to investments and currency and and the different you knowdifferent times to invest. If I had somebody on my team that's sharp. Yeahman I'd be on it but I'm so busy creating music man. You kind of youlive in this musical world it's kind of sometimes it's kind of hard to think of it all so that's whyyour team is so important. Yeah definitely. Well since we're breakingdown the business side of things like have you have you made like otherinvestments like besides like in your music? Yeah man I have a few uh stocks andthings like that that I my team has purchased. Um and investing in certainaccounts that yield me a lot of great interest without a lot of risk. Um Andlooking forward to to diving into some more stuff real estate um investing inmy own tour company had brand called House of Fedora. Um Big bones clothinglines for sister big bones um and just investing in different things that youknow that bit my brand as well. Yeah, there was that one of your hats. No this is not one of mine but Ipurchased it uh a couple years ago. I just felt like putting it on, I hadn'twanted in a man I think you know what put on my hat, what is talking about?It looks kind of a little cowboy and a little uh what you call it presidentialuh when you call it, when it when it'stime for the voting? Uh Yeah, I know what you're talking about election.Yeah. It looks a little election. Yeah. All right. Let's go back intoyour music. Her. What was like your breakthrough music moment of like maybea song or like something that you felt like you made it the breakthrough when I felt like I made it, you know, being signed. The uptown wasa dream to me because jodi she was there um mary J. Blige heavy d um follow them. See all these great routesHorace brown. They were they were on this label and I was dreaming of beingon this label. So I eventually got signed to them, you know, and thingsdidn't go as playing in my head. Uh But that was a sign for me that that Iwas doing okay. But when it really, really set in is when I did the song with nappy Rootsand it took off, it was huge poor folks...

...and Jadakiss, why those two momentstogether working hand in hand, people were starting to look at me differentand uh it set it up for for Charlene and coming from where I'm from, Andonce coming from where I'm from, came out and I got nominated for fourGrammys and I was like, okay, I'm cooking with real Greece right now.Yeah, sure. How how old were you when you signed that, that record label tothe record label? I think I was maybe 22, 22 years old. 23 top. Yeah, that'syeah, that's uh that was young. Um And then you ended up winning a grammy foruh you got you got to love I need um what what was that feeling like? Man towin a grammy? It was it was surreal. Um And to do it without Green Man, it waslike I want a grammy, not just myself but for my mother and father Coulson,you know everybody who loved Al Green who grew up on Al Green, that was forthe hood, That was for my neighborhood, all the people who had the windows openplaying Al Green loud with the cookout grill in the front yard. That thatgrammy was fun for all of them. And uh you know, to be alongside of James boysand Questlove and producing and writing this song. Um it meant a lot to me aswell. For sure. Yeah, so I know like, like you've been mentioned, you collabbut like so many great people and you you did crossovers and wrap and thingslike that. Um Is there anybody that you really want to work with that youhaven't worked with yet? Anybody I want to work with who Ihaven't worked with yet, you know, uh drink and I, we went in the studio atone time and we never really, we never got anything that night. We hung out,went to see the Angelo and had a great time, but we never got the song yet.And he hit me not so so long ago to deliver some pain. He's like, I needthat pain only you can deliver. Uh it's back when the pandemic was kind ofending coming out of it. So to get back in with him would be great, Kanye Westwould be amazing. Um Chance, I performed a chance but I haven't gottenin the studio with it. Those are some amazing people that I like to get inwith. I've done some country with josh. Turner, john rich from Bacon Rich. ButI'd like to do more country. Okay. Darius Rucker, it would be great Garthbrooks for sure. Yeah, I think that if you doone with drake will definitely be a hit man. Well we'll go, we'll do somethingsilver tired. You want crazy. I don't know how I know about you. How how howdid you find out? So I'm a huge nelly fan. So that's howyeah, that's how I know about you because you're on nelly song. Nobodyknows. Yeah, no, there'll be trouble. Long way, nobody told me nothing,Nothing, nothing. I love that song too. That was a great, That was that was agood song, I really like that one. Yeah man, how did you gotta tell me? How didyou link up with nellie? You know man? I had, I ran into nearly a few timesand with with uh Jermaine Dupri and just being out amongst people and hewas like he was a fan man and wanted me on the record and he went through mypeople, they contacted me and he asked me would I be a part of it and I waslike yeah man That's nearly 10,000 10 million albums plus that's why it'sfunny to have a great sound man. Uh You know ST louis, it's a place I visited alot, tour there a lot. And it's always been a place where I felt well receivedand they got it, they were kind of...

...country, you know what I mean? Midwestcountry. So it made it was a good fit. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. It's funnybecause like everyone always makes fun of me when I say that's my favoriteartist and I'm like one of the he's only like I think one of Maybe likefive rappers that has the diamond uh album. Hands down and he had greatmusic and some hits. It's getting hot in here man, you hear that right nowyou go crazy to stop taking your clothes off, you know? Um Down downbaby boom, ready to let it go, give me aremake man, he got some joints man, he got a few. Um but I like his music, Ilike nelly, I like when he did the country stuff, so for sure, going back to you now, Iknow you're working on a new album, so can you tell us a little bit about that, the new album scheduled to be out inaugust um man, it's going really well. I got somefeatures on there that are amazing. Me and Rick Ross got one that it goes backand tap into the energy of uh my life. What's the poor one? One with mary J.Blige in my life, That whole kind of vibe that she had, and it's a Bangor uh working on a duet of a classic. Um I may have, I did a song with johnLegend, I'm trying to see if I'm gonna put iton this record or the next one, because it's such a big record and then, youknow, I'm waiting to see, but I have a fewsongs, man produced by 9th wonder. We have some great ones, Jermaine Dupri asthe first single that's out Now, You Made a Fool of Me, And we have aboutfour more to put on this album, and we went in it straight R and B. No Chaser, No, trying to be new, notrying to be current straight great songs singing my ass off uh and makingpeople feel something again. Um So I'm excited about it. I had a song calledWhite Hennessy that's a Bangor. Um you know I worked with J. Deal and and umall in those guys 1500 and nothing big dog, I got some real heavy hitters whodo real good music on this album, kelvin Wooten and uh yeah some singingon that. I got a little bit of backgrounds to think the Hamiltonsmaybe I'm one or two, I'm singing background J. K. Jack King. So I'mexcited about the collaboration of different voices coming to create thiswhole new old moment again. So yeah. Yeah for sure. What about what is themost change about like R. And B. Back then in R. And B. Now I think R. And B.Back then was more live, it was more live instrumentation. Guitar, drums,keys and uh more melody um More passionate in the lyrics. Um Backthen they used to date the girl before they got in bed now they get straightto it. You know it was like oh hello. Don't you want to don't you wanna knowyour name first? Don't you? Don't you want to you wanna make sure she's allright? Ask you a few questions. She might be crazy. Um I think now you knowthere's some good music now I listen to a lot of it. That's some amazing cats.Uh Gideon, give me your giddy yard. I think I likewhat he's uh what he's doing her daniel caesar. He's good. Um Snow Allegra,jasmine. Sullivan is one of my favorites uh colleague B. J. Chicagokid. Um I love what he does, luke James, Rowe James, all the James. So you hadsome really cool cats out doing some...

...good music, but I just think thepassion is missing and sonically things now are more repetitive. Yeah, uh lesswords, more melody and more uh, a lot of auto tune back then. You had to sing,you have to sing it back then whatever, whatever effect you need it, you bettercreate it with your voice and with your pen. And now I think a lot of the musicnow they get away with using things that are, is creative, but it takesaway from the true essence of uh, the troops down home. Homegrown musicalability. Yeah, for sure. What like what keeps you motivated, I know you've beenaround for a long time in the music industry. What keeps me motivated, What keeps me motivated as knowing thatI was chosen to do it and it's been working for me and it's been making adifference in a lot of people's lives and my passion for music. It's just asbig as my passion for people. So being able to do the, Do the two together andand touch and make a difference. Um spends a lot. I've killed a lot ofpeople and I've mended some relationships. Um probably tore down afew, but but for the most part, I think my music has done a lot of good managestraveled the world for me and allowed me to see things that wouldn't have hada chance to see had I not been a singer songwriter. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Andwhat what what inspires you and and what advice would you give to like ayoung artist coming up? What inspires me? I think life man, Iwake up every day and that's something, there's something to talk about,There's something to sing about, there's something to be grateful for,There's something to be pissed off about. Um and that's something that youjust don't quite understand and just being in the company of any of that.There is something that's always something to be, to be said, um, questions to be answered. So I thinklife itself, it's what motivates me and I'll let people know if you ever wantedto be a single songwriter, musician, producer, you know, be passionate about saying something, uh the same thing, saying it your wayand making it feel special. Even if it's the same thing that's been saidover and over again. Find a way to make, I love you feel like it's the, the mostamazing thing you've ever heard learn the business, uh, create your own sound. Have a soundthat stands out. A lot of times people say, I know it's you. Even with my maskon, I've heard people say no hat, no hat at all. I've tried it alot of times without a hat. Okay people, I can slide about a little bit. Um Well people, I think now people arepaying so much attention to who's got on the vast group. Doesn't. If I sayanything it was it, what's your name? They know it's my voice and that'sdistinctive and so you want to have a distinctive sound, something thatpeople feel like I can only get this from this guy um and make it work foryou. Uh and don't stop. I like that. Are you ready for some funquestions? Let's go. What was, what was the biggest purchase you made? And whatwas like the worst purchase you made ever? The biggest purchase I've evermade? What's my house, my house, uh Under $1 million. I wasn't gonna spend$1 million dollars on the house. My first house. Uh and it's probably it'sworth well over that now. Um which makes me want to sell it and I think Imade uh all right now, yeah, it's hot...

...right now. I was like, I was sellingand just go rent something right quick, just stack it up. The worst purchase I've ever made, wow. Mm The worst most purchased I ever made. All those damn clothes and shoes andstuff I have now it's taking over the house. You know, I can't think of onething that was really bad that I purchased um because I'm really selective aboutspending my money on it, right? Maybe a date. Maybe, maybe maybe a datewith one date. That sucks real bad. I had to purchase everything that nightand purchase purchase and kept purchasing and it probably bit me inthe, in the, in the, in the back. I would say I want to say a date some day.I think a lot of guys can relate to that one. Yeah. And women. Um, out ofall the songs you ever made, which one is your favorite? Out of all the songs I've ever made,Which one is my favorite, wow. I think give you a chance as a few. There's afew and, and, and they have different times. I think coming from where I'mfrom, when I just think about the struggling, coming about the mud manand getting it, getting and how I had to get it. I think coming from whereI'm from is the best uh theme song. It captures the emotion and the grind andthe grit um that it took to get here and theperseverance. I think that song is is My Once Upon a Time that starts thestory and then you have, yeah, Charlene is definitely turned my life around. It's a song thatwhen I'm performing it and people are sitting there looking at me, man, I'mlike, oh my God, I can't believe it. They love it this much. Um, another song that I did that I really,really loved, wow, Going to have to say it was something with the guerrillas. I likedit a lot. It was taking me outside of my comfort zone. It's called CarnivalTaking Me out of my comfort zone and put me in a space where, you know, most people probably wouldn'tallow me to to be able to swim. Yeah. Carnival, Carnival's one. Why would Jadakiss? Yeah, that was,that was a big record. That was a huge record. And Lamborghini doors with rickross and meek mill. I didn't, I didn't even know you wereon that one. Yeah, I did. Uh, maybe I did a few songs to rick ross on thatparticular project. You put them out different times. Yeah. Lamborghinidoors. Yes. Yeah, that was, that was me. Are you, are you a sports guy? I do like sports. I played football. Iwas a tailback in safety and I ran track with 1-10 hurdles. four x 4 relay.I used a long job like how long jump, how long jump the whole highway. Uh,what's your, who's your favorite sports team? Sports team, football, panthers,basketball. The hornets. I'm just a home team player. Yeah man. I used tobe a Dallas cowboy fan for a lot of my earlier years and uh it wasn't until Istarted falling in love with the panthers that kind of stopped rootingfor for Dallas, it's been some years...

...now. But yeah, it was America's team.So I was just, I had to inherit that until we had our own. Well, I gotdefinitely, I got to ask you, what do you think about uh lamelo ball? I think lamelo is raw talent, uh who'son the verge of going into something really amazing and dynamic andexplosive. I think he's the great facilitator. I think he's a great team,team leader, He knows how to get people bawling and getting them. He keepsthose boys running. Um And I think he's just, he's so young man. What is like18, 19? Yeah, I think he's a 19 or 20, maybe He maybe 20, maybe 20. But to be thatyoung with so much talent that he hasn't even tapped into yet, I think Ithink the world we'll see so much more from melo ball. Um And his father, Iloved his father, hebrews before and his brother to uh place for thePelicans. You know, I like seeing them going at it. It's like, you can tell,it's like we've been doing this for a long time. Y'all stay out the way,y'all stay out the way. It's me and my brother right now, we're about to haveuh so it's always good to see that, but I'm going to use the UFC fan as well,so. All right. Yeah, man, definitely. If I was younger, I'll be I'll beputting them both. Well, there's a lot of there's a lot of celebrity boxinggoing on. Yeah, Yeah. Celebrity boxing is good. You know, I'm up in the agenow, so I still, I still got some quick hands, but you know, I don't know uhwho's your favorite UFC fighter, definitely Jon jones. Uh um Guzman, uh jasmine, uh I like BoozmanJon jones. Um My favorite to watch is uh Nate D. S uh there's a few Amanda Nunes isincredible. Yeah. Um Edwards is good. He's good. There's a there's a lot of greatfighters, there's a lot of them. Um Yeah, I don't know if you saw, you know,Claressa Shields the boxer. Yeah, she's switching over. Yeah, I'm in uh in Juneafter June 10, I believe that's the first fight, I think she'll do good.She got she hits hard for sure. Yeah, she gets she gets her grappling andwrestling together. She definitely could do some damage. Yeah, definitely.Alright, my last question, are you going to do it versus you know, what am I gonna do? A versusYes, I will. Um They wanted me and Music Soul Child to do, do one and Ireached out to music a little while back, but he was busy doing some stuffand you know, in a different space at the time. And uh he said, you know, butmaybe we'll talk about a little later, but the fans that have really wanted tosee the two of us and he has a ton of it. Uh So that says a lot about whatthey feel about my music. Um I think he's had more radio records. I have alot of great um album songs that never made it to radio that people play likea single. So I think it would be interesting to see music, Soulchild andmyself. Uh but definitely versus is great shout out to uh swiss beats andtimberland for being creative innovators. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that'd be dope.Uh was there anything else that you want to go versus against? I thinkmusic was a good one. who's another one that I felt like it would be good? Um mm maybe I think Maxwell could have beensomething fun. Yeah, uh, DeAngelo, but...

...it could have been kind of kind of funin terms of R and B and sure, you know, hearing what thefans think about me. I think those, those would be good. All right, well, I appreciate youcoming on. My boy told me, my boy told me all the aunties in America are gonnago wild now because of this. Oh yeah, you're about to get all the anti lovein the world, man, You might even get some grandma panties, throw that yourscreen, you might get some grandma panties, man, don't be afraid. Don't beafraid to embrace the grind my panic and uh okay, but cling to the occupanta little little little little more. But enjoy yourself, man, I appreciate youpaul, man. Thank you and thank you for your patience, man. I know I was alittle running a little late with the kids and all, but I appreciate it, man.It's great interview. Yeah, no problem, appreciate good luck, good luck withthe album. I'll definitely be promoting it for you all right man, appreciate it,man. I'll be looking out for you to you're gonna be doing great things aswell. Mhm.

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