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Ben Baller | Average To Savage EP114

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This is the one hundred and fourteenth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring Ben Baller. Paul Guarino talked with Ben Baller discussing his sports career, his podcast Behind the Baller, and his best business moves.

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This podcast interview with Ben Baller was originally recorded on December 1, 2020

...this'll is the average to savage podcast with Paul Guerrino. Everyone in anyone athletes, celebs and much more. Right? Uh uh, Yeah, average The savage podcast used to be normal, but I'm trying to transform. So I had to break it out of bad ass raps on a lot of opportunities. We had to pass on raw entrepreneur. What? They're telling me we got interviews with all this and celebrities going in depth because the shallow interview has never been let download the apple Spotify with the interest. Please don't challenge me inspired people every day with personality and how we make it pop off. We be fresh. A lot of ops in the game. You could be next. Stay focused right now and bumping on the driveway the morning coffee on the train running Well, I've averaged just average podcast do the damn thing And Paul Rino we bring it in And now we got all your listeners. So take it from the top. So up, everybody, I'm back for another episode. The average savage podcast or special guest today is Ben Baller. Ben. How's it going? Well, something. How you doing, bro? I'm doing good. Uh, congrats on the Seahawks win tonight. Yeah, I was. Goodwin is a good way. I mean, is fucking easy one. We're doing some bullshit. And it was like a I honestly don't think we really went and played very hard. We're doing some weird plays and, um, some experimentation. And there's a really awful team, and it's it's pretty. It's pretty bad, you know? Yeah. Yeah, it's just always funny. There. Just here you go off on your podcast about the Seahawks. I'm I feel, you know Do you remember, man? Philly E. These guys were in the fucking Super Bowl just a few years ago. You know, I'm saying they have the most vicious fans in the world. They just suck this year, but they just fucking trash. Yeah, for sure. Alright, let's go back, Thio Your sports career. Um how'd you How'd you just get started playing like football and basketball? You know what, man? Um, basketball is something I was kind of playing at, like 78 years old. I think about it now. It's so crazy. My son can't even fucking dribble ball. It's just me and my wife. I kind of had the conversation like it ain't in the books for him. You know what I'm saying? Like it just think. I think gaming is just gonna be his thing. It just it just that's what it is. Um, different times. You know, uh, and I commend some of the parents out there that that have taught their kids, and my parents never taught me anything. I mean, my dad tried to teach me to ride a bike, but thank God I had all the brother, and even he didn't really put the basket ball in my hands. But he got me into basketball, and, you know, I played and I was okay. You know, I played like they played in school, played in junior high. I played for the team in junior high. I moved around a lot. That was the problem. So from sixth grade to ninth grade, I want to six schools, bro. Mhm. So six schools, You know, it was it was a lot and up to about maybe eighth grade. I was probably the best player, except I never went to a camp, you know? And if I had I wanna camp. You're going certain things, you know? Now it's It's on a whole different level. I mean, bro, you could get a ankle sprain and not be back in the day. If you got your ankle spring, you're gonna be out to three months and you aren't even out for a week or two Now, you could just get technology is so crazy now, you know, just the way things are so on. I remember right around 13 or 14 years that goes eighth grade. I started to learn some fundamentals defensively. Um, I fucked around with them, their football in ST you know, I grew up in Korea, Tom brothers, and, like, really not parks and shit. But, you know, I...

...grew up watching football 11 football, but I didn't really start fucking with football until, like, again, you know, really Late high school. So basketball was something that I always felt like, you know, was my shit back of the day. There was a thing called slam and jam. Slam and jam was I know a You was prominent. Now I don't know how old you are, but a U is always gonna has been around for a while. But slam and jam was like another lead. That was dope and I had a mentor signing Derek. Um, Fuck, man. I just got through the day. I was like, Man, you know what? There's some people who used to work for me that I talked to every single day for three years. I remember the fucking name anymore. Um, Derek Fucking shit, man. I remember his fucking he was He was really good fucking player to was crazy. He, um I started playing the y M c a and we have a team. There were playing boom, and I just started getting better, so I learned defensive skills My freshman year in high school, I played football. Didn't make the basketball team my freshman year. That kind of broke my heart. It was down to me and another guy. And because the other guy was a good citizen, this is really this real shit. He had, like, a 3.84 point. Oh, GPA is a good citizen, and he had, you know, so like, that was kind of like the breaker. I was like, You gotta be fucking kidding me. You know, like and again, you know, you get to high school, you know, you go through junior high junior. Whatever. And you go to a big high school, 3000 students. Obviously, it starts weeding out things. Then you go to college. Then you go to the pros. You start saying, Oh, shit, this motherfucker was man High school College Boom. Then you get to the pros and shit. You just may not may not happen for you even though you're a good player. Some things you don't gel with. Certain offense, defense, some team, whatever. Who knows? Maybe not coachable. I started to realize that in high school I said this my podcast. I feel like every time I figured out what I was good at, it was already over. You know what I mean? It's only four years of high school. It's only four years of college. Why Red shirted? So I could have had more. But you know, like by the time I finished college high school, I was like, Fuck! If I just go back, tell me one more year I figured out. Now, does that make sense or No. I mean, um and, um, my sophomore year in the middle of JV, There's freshman football J V. And then there's there's There's far Stanford freshman football that I went to J. V in the middle of J V. I got brought up to Varsity right before the playoffs, and I played offense like a little bit. But I was scared to hit. I don't think I've ever talked about this before, ever. And then it took to finally playing with people who you know, I was like an average sized dude. Mhm. It took for me, finally, didn't want it. I was like, Nah, bro, I can't let this do do this to me and something snapped. If you see that movie me, myself and Irene, it's Jim Carrey movie. He has, like, a multiple personalities order, and, um, something stops in the head and you lose it. One day I got my shoulder popped out. I don't have you played football before now. No faithful. Okay, so in football, it's not common, but it happens. I mean, it's more more, but you were pads, obviously, right. When you get hit in the shoulder really, really hard, you can throw your shoulder in shock where you've never felt it. It's like think about getting the wind knocked out of you, but imagine it's your shoulder like I've never felt like that. I thought like it was almost as if your shoulders gonna like that. No situ, it's gonna fall off. And at that point, I was like, Yo, dude, there's girls out here watching you. You know what I mean? Like, you play on in the field and there's like, there's a track and field. There's a lot going...

...on in the field. Football's ours, but the track around it, there's a lot going on. So I was like a man, I gotta stop out of it. At that point, I just turned into a different person. So my junior year, you know, 1100 yards, Uh, 12 touchdowns. The whole nine start playing basketball. I love playing basketball and I was decent. I just wasn't good enough football. I feel like I wasn't even as good as football as I was in basketball, but I knew how to cheat the system. Mhm. I can, you know, I could see I I know exactly you know how to ground plays. And then I just knew how toe it was a different type of game. Uh, you know, I I applied to a bunch of schools just to see if I could walk on. And, um, obviously U S C U c l A loyal American at the time. I was a big Hank gathers fan, rest in peace. He was probably maybe I don't know about basketball, but he probably won't be the greatest basketball players ever, like he probably would have been. No bullshit that he would he would have been, I think. I mean, him and Len Bias when have been, you know, probably some of the greatest players ever in history. Basketball ever. You know, dying of heart, a heart attack, heart attack. LMU was a small school. They didn't have a football team, so that was kind of be a problem. And I was a very poor academic, um, student. So, you know, with a bunch of help, I could even get a u c l A. I was gonna walk on, and my dad was a fucking professor there. He ran the Asian study department. We had not just that. We had a dean off one of the colleges write me a recommendation that I could even get into U C L. A. It's really embarrassing you know, that's pretty embarrassing. You can't, you know, like and again back then if you had money, a bit different story. But, I mean, my dad made $35,000 a year, which is, you know, of claimants maybe like, 80 or 90 grand now and 89 grand sound like a lot of money. But if you have three kids and it's really not, you can't even live, you know, anywhere. It's like that weird lower middle like that weird middle class thing where, like, you can't really, you know? And then people in the hood of Black well, we don't make any money. It's It's just it's not It's it's a different thing. Um, my my, we we didn't We didn't We didn't We were rich at all. Um, so you know, I got a scholarship, a cow last minute. And the funny thing was, all my stats were good. Everything was great. My senior year, I transferred. I think I sit in the pocket, you pay attention. I transferred and I barely got to play. And I had to go to a different in school. But I played enoughto where, you know, I was able t do my thing and it's cool because I was in the barrier as well. But then when I got to college, I said all the wrong things to all the people on the team. Like I would be like I thought I was trying to be trying to cool like Oh, yeah, man. Beverly, I know this person, this person, this person had just think people are just like, Yo, man, shut the fuck up, China, man, I was really out, you know, like just not even though I was cool in my school, this was a whole different thing and nobody from school was there, you know, I was like, Oh, my I was literally solo Dolo. So, you know, on I got I got bullied and they took my cleats. They took, you know, played on Astro turf. So if you don't ask, trip is like you like you'd wear like like soccer shoes. Almost. You know, I mean, not cleats, but like, you know, like like even a lot of players were Jordans, so I had no shoes. I only have my cleats and 118 guys. Some around 108 guys in two days in hell week in camp and the first day, like 30 people quit, and I wasn't one of them. So I felt like a man, you know, make it in camp. Boom. And remember, we had a freshman meeting and the coach sat down with all the freshmen we have, like, dinner was, like, 11 of us. And he's like, Hey, man, you're out here. You're doing, you know, you're doing your thing. You know, Michael David a man, You're doing great. You're doing it. He's like, Yang. I gotta be honest about your dog in it. I...

...couldn't fucking bleed. He said that in front of everyone goes. And now you're just I'm just gonna let you know your dog in it like you're you gotta You gotta figure something out. You gotta You gotta step up because you're just not You're not making it out here. And not only that, I wasn't a star, so I sure acted like, Well, that was the worst part. Act like I was a shit, you know? And I have the cleanest uniforms, you know, staying like I was I was just talking shit. Whatever. And, uh, you know, I couldn't cut it. I couldn't cut. Do you want I couldn't cut. Um one. The level of intensity I couldn't. I wasn't strong enough, and I was the strongest I've ever been. At that point, I went through the entire summer training toe lift weights and certain things. And then I realized, man to say shit, But it was better than the average man, Of course. But I can't be a bad guy playing football. Remember? Like I was. I was really strong, but genetically, I was Asian, You know what I mean? So my bones small would have a big frame. Um, I was 6 ft, you know, like, about 180 and again average. And so I just, you know, I end up transferring schools, man. I said let me get some playing time. Fuck this. And on top of that, Cal didn't have ah, didn't have a film program. Um, they've been having any kind of film school. All they had communications. So, you know, it was just better for me to transfer to a Division two. What does of state? It was a lot easier. I was playing. I was out there busting my ass boom and I was playing basketball. So I got to walk on the team, and that was where I really got to like, Damn, man, I'm playing on the first Asian American in the in the history of university to play basketball and football, and we get to play against, you know, two or three D one schools a year in basketball guard Steve Nash, two years in a row, got to play football with some of the biggest. Um, Larry Allen is, I think, I think he's the discussion to be either the best in the world or the second. But there's no he's on top threes numbers Top two. He's either the best linemen in the history of football or the second best linemen ever in history of football. And this do play for Snow in state. And I had to play this guy and I remember on a screen pass, I went straight through this motherfucker that felt like I hit a cement wall. In fact, I'd rather hit a cement wall that hit this duty kid. So that was pretty much the gist of, you know, all my playing days, and then, um um I think I mentioned it briefly. I thought maybe I could try to place a bomb. Beijing at the time play pro and and, uh, it was for, like, um 17 grand. First, it was just really bad. I didn't even last a month, bro. I got really sick out there was like Fuck this. I'm coming home And that was it for sports. I was done. It's crazy. Do you have any pictures of you playing basketball? That's what I picture somewhere. You know what? Last year in January, I promised to go back to the university. I have not gone back to SF State in almost 30 years. 26 years, right? I posted a picture of me walking off the court, and this is like actual film. You know, there's no like, you know, and I posted a picture of the scoreboard. Where has you know, every time you walk into Jimmy's to your name? So And the coach's daughter, she commented, Picture still up somewhere in the coach's daughter comment. She's like a man. Just so you know, I'm Coach Thomas, his daughter, and we used to behind the bench talking whatever. It's crazy because she's a grown woman she's married to. Somebody on the Pittsburgh Steelers didn't really pay attention, but she messaged me. She she was Hey, my dad wants to talk to you. And the thing is, her dad treat me so much like, she don't really go over and talk to him. You know what I mean? But, like, obviously it becomes successfully wants to say I'm sure you want to say congrats. He was pretty genuine about it. But I want to go back to university because a lot of people thought I was lying. And I think somebody worked at SF State and they pulled up records and said, Hey, man, um, you average 1.2 points a game, and I was like, Amen. What game? A bad to assist. You always like a miles. You...

...know, um, how many people could even say that? It all right. How many people could say they play two sports in college? Yeah, three played even three at 11 year. They needed a ringer. And the crazy thing is that the championships. So I'm gonna tell you this crazy story I don't think I ever Maybe I did tell. I'm not sure because my brain is so out of it, but we're planning is U C. Davis. So the the bus now I just finished football season. It just finished. Football Season Overlap with basketball season I just finished football season. We're playing against U C. Davis. Um, basketball. And I missed the bus. The bus is taking us to U C Davis find, like a 45 minute drive or whatever. It's by Sacramento if you know the Bay Area. But, um, U C Davis is a pretty good school. You should probably heard. Least you heard of U C Davis there d one now. Eso What happened was the coach of the wrestling team said, Hey, man, how much do you weigh? And I was like, Oh, like about By the way, when I didn't play football, I should, you know, playing basketball. You're running more rights, different type of. So I shed down like 1 72 or something, and the guys like, Hey, man, can you get the 1 67 I heard used to wrestle as I rested? A little bit of wrestled. One. CDC is like a man. All you gotta do is shake the guy's hand you know, arresting works for now? Yes, somewhat. Okay, if you forfeit, you lose seven points. If you lose the match, you only lose, like to point. So that makes sense What I'm saying, like so better to go in there and lose, then just forfeit. So the guys like, man, can you make the weight? I'm like, Fuck, man, Like I love you, You know what I mean? I was on a, like, a 10,000 calorie of fucking day. I was like I was eating like crazy because food is free and everything is taken care of. So I got down on 1 67. I went in there, and the coach is like, Hey, man, I just hope you could fucking you know, can you Can you at least try to like I was like, Fuck, that's what These guys there's the fucking for the state championship in college. Dude, you said shake his hand and going down. I'm gonna shake his hand and try to do it. I can I think I lasted like, almost a minute until you pin me. And I kind of felt like fucking I don't know if you see if you wrestle. It's crazy like a wrestling matches like like boxing matches. Three round three minutes. Right? That's three minutes. You exert so much energy that you're literally out of gas. I can play. I could play fucking 4 20 minute fucking quarters. And you know, football, basketball. Totally different colleges have, right? I'm so I could play 4 20 minute quarters before I could go do it. The wrestling is it's just it's crazy that you know how much you exert yourself, and I kind of hurt myself. So I get second in state just for going and entered and have a certificate somewhere. Ben Yang £2067 2nd state and C A C conference. And so after that, I get in my car and I fucking fly up to U. C. Davis. Go play the basketball game. I get pulled over for going 100 back in the day. 100 was a big deal. Like cops will fucking this cop pulled his gun out. He was tripping. And I Magic Johnson. It just got HIV, my favorite player of my entire life. So my driver's license. I covered my picture and I put a picture of Annie Johnson all over my license. Totally forgot. I had that. Just whatever is just something I just He was just a big fan of his. So when I got pulled over, I give him license. It was it was a black cop. What the fuck is this? What the fuck is this? And I was like, Oh, my God. Hey, man. Man Johnson, my favorite player. Listen, I swear to God there's no Google back then, you know? I mean, this is 1992 maybe. And I'm like, I swear to God you could go and look at my gym bag. Got nothing the car would ever searched me. I play basketball for San Francisco State University. I'm driving Asset Thio, UC Davis because I missed my thing and it was pretty cool, man, he just cussed me out. Whatever. Boom. He didn't give me a ticket. I get to UC Davis, my shoulder shirt, whatever. Boom. And remember, I get in the game and remember, I'm not forget. I missed both 3000. That game was like it was a fucking it was a ci fucking game. But that was like, you know, one of the crazy stories. So I read a coach gave...

...you the nickname Ben Baller. Yeah. Bryan Fogel. I think he's Ah, he was. I think he might have coach. He actually funny thing is buying vocal. Played with my old coach, Played with Steve current Arizona on and they're the same age. It's crazy, right? Um and hey, gave me my name in 92 Ben Baller and just stuck with it was crazy about Why do you wear 42? 42 is s o I was, uh Well, the crazy thing was, there was a guy at my high school. His name was really Crawford. He wore number 24. So 24 was my favorite number as a freshman. I was like, Don't wanna be like to do with the Crawford. This motherfucker is a beast. This dude was like, this guy was like, he was a huge running back like Christian Coy size. It was huge. And so I was 24. The crazy thing is, 24 is a very significant number in my life now because my son's birthday it was one of 24. It was Kobe's number boom, but this is so many years before CO. Because I'm older than Kobe. You know what I mean? So what I did was I was ah James worthy fan. You know, um, I was actually a fan of James Worthy when he was at North Carolina. Same time with Jordan was pretty much the Lakers. He was 42 it just stuck. I was 42 I was 42 could see here 42 42. And I'm 42 years shit. 42 in all through high school, through college. So I was 42 off forever. Was it just It just stuck with me? Yes, though. I mean, it's crazy to obviously your daughter's Finn. Jackie Robinson all that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think I have a new Jackie Robinson until probably, I mean, as far as 42. I didn't put the correlation together until maybe right by the time I was fucking 30 like, year 2000, you know? I mean, like, I didn't think about that. Yeah. So would you say you grew up with a chip on his shoulder? Yeah, man, come on, grow up. Shit. I want fucking car on my shoulder. roll out of it. All right, So then take me. Take me. I know you always said you worked at Burger King, but take me something through some other odd jobs you had. Um, right before work, the bird can work with our the subway. And now the crazy part was you ready for this? There was less than 12 subways in the world. That's crazy. That's how long ago this waas So it was. It was It was in California because subway was was based. It was supposed to be about subways, and I mean, like, New York. But I don't think there was even a subway sandwich in New York. Yeah, no, it's based in Connecticut. Try where I live. So with the company was basically in Connecticut headquarters is still there. E no. But was the first one in Connecticut connection There was like, you know, there's, like, a dozen in the in the country, and I think they're actually global now. They're they're, like in Asia. Whatever. Anyways, there was this possess one of very few, and I worked the fucking subway. And the funny thing is, there's things I'll never forget how to cut bread and do certain things. And the funny thing was, I remember like the way that they cut bread now is not the actual way. You're supposed to cut the bread. You know, you're supposed to cut it so that the sandwich really fits like the meat. Everything will fit in so that the bread actually covers it. And it's different. You know, people get a fucking sandwich like a foot long, they'll cut it right in half. Think of a loaf of bread. They'll cut it right in half, right? You're supposed to cut on top and make like a over cut. And I worked with fucking subway finding. Was that subway I haven't got paid. Let I got paid less than minimum wage. I don't have the fuck that was legally possible. There was something some kind of crazy stipulation, but I worked there and I hated it. I fucking hated it. The guy who owned subways name is Reza. He Hughes, My our neighbor that lived in the building. I live with my brother. Um What else, man? I worked at...

...a fucking martial arts supply store. Um, I was a fucking personal assistant themselves. P A I was. I mean, I don't know what else you want here. I mean, I'm saying No, no, that's I mean, the subway one is dope, my boy. Just forget. Subway Used to get free Subs all times. Dope. Then get signal. Yeah, I don't get a free substance. Subway. I think if you worked in eight hour shifts, you got a foot long. And if you work part time, you got a six inch. That was it. Yeah, that Oezil Aris. All right, so then take me through, Like, how? How do you win from, like, music, career toe like jewelry and then the sneaker flipping like, actually. Like what? Like what? What was your biggest break? The sneaker. I think the sneakers is what financially set me free. You know, I mean, it put me out of debt. There was no more. Like like I told people I want Oh, people try old like banks money. I was like, you know, American Express, like, two grand I had fucked up. Maybe 800 bucks here and there and whatever. I tell you the truth, that was a lot of money me back then. Um, if you had, like, 20 K and credit card debt and random shit and you owed it. Never had any intention of paying it back or whatever. You know, that could fuck your shit up. You know, I'm just not anywhere near in that situation ever and, you know, knock on wood. But, um, you know, I was in debt for a lot of my time in the music career and everything, and I hated music so much, I just finally, um, I was a d j as well. So thank God I had a d. J gig. And when I finally got out of music professionally, I stayed in D. J. Because it was something that I want. Thio. Um it was the only thing I loved. It was still I love music so much. It was like it was almost 50 50 with sports. You know, like, if you would've asked me, could I be an R and B singer or rapper, or did I wanna be fucking a player for the Lakers? Like I almost might wanna be there, You know, I'm saying the rapper, whatever it was also ah, lot more glamorous than I know. It's glorified more now, but if you really were good back then. It was There was more respect. There are, you know, possibly over a couple million rappers now, you know, they're literally might have been maybe 10,000 rappers on the Earth. And maybe in the game there was, like, maybe 100 What I'm saying, like, I remember when you would try to get a C D at a record store or get an album, and there might be less than, like, 30 albums out there. That's how old I am, you know, Like seeing it come up. So, like, DJs always were cool. You know what I mean? Like, there was never d j didn't have good style who wasn't dressed. Cool. Because, you know, you're usually in in the area where you're well seen, and people look at you, so you want to be cool. And it was like, you know, I was wearing sneakers before people knew it was cool. It was It was something cool. I was I was I was in sneakers since, you know, Fucking 3rd, 4th, 5th grade, sixth grade, seventh grade. I had Jordans when they first came out. I was getting Jordan. I was working and do whatever I could to get Jordan. So that was something I always stuck with me. And there was a couple people that I know foot things. Andre 3000 and big boy when they're now cast. There was they had a Nike plug and that Sandra residues name man. But this guy was a Nike plug at the entertainment. You would give a shit we would trade him for, like, CDs and records and stuff. And there was a few people who are in the game that we're serious. One dude was named Dante. Ross was a legend still on social heavy. Another one statue, of course. So fat has been around forever. I can't I can't tell you how fucking insane that, Joe to remain relevant. Still, to this day is insane. Another guy named Kelly who worked in my office and Missy Elliott was kind of one of the people that kind of pushed me on a keeping my sneaker clocking fresh. So, you know, while I was d j. And I was out of the music business, I was kind of keeping the sneaker collection on the side. And then I started selling drugs when I started selling drugs, I was able to make five G six gs 10 Gs here and then I wasn't, like, heavy in it. I was just...

I was under somebody who was like, an under boss, and that was the big boss under him. So the easiest thing for me to do to hide the money was by shoes. So I had nothing to sit and be like, Oh, man, you waste your money on the whatever I never thought anyone I never looked at it like an investment. Uh, I just borrowed shoes and, you know, at a certain point in, like 2002, you know, I had over 500 pairs of shoes, you know, it's it's a lot of shoes if you really, really think about how many pairs Ah, 100 days. And now I think about it. I'm like, Damn! You know, I'm like I got down to 40 something like 42 pairs, 40 pairs, like a year or two ago. And I was like, Damn, this is crazy. Like I've never had this list a little bit amount of shoes, but it feels great. And then it's like, Damn, I'd love to get down to 15 or 20. That'd be amazing. But, you know, for the longest time, I had 100. Even when I when I was a solo. My entire collection. You still have shoes, right? And you know, when you get 500 parents like goddamn and at my peak, you know, in 2004 at 1800 pairs of shoes personals. So, you know, I sold my shoe collection and, uh, made money. I paid off any debt I ever had. I paid somebody to fix my credit. I bought car, had two motorcycles. I had two cars. Um, I had a BMW 77 45 which was, like, the hottest car at the time. Remember? Like if you were a big dude and music or anything, you had one. I had 22 crushing it. I had a Ferrari, you know what I mean? And I had a fucking high boosted motorcycle had a J six are 1000. So I had to box everything. I had a fresh crab condo in Beverly Hills. So you had everything I wanted, and the only thing was at the time, it was only the time I was ever engaged in my life And I was engaged to supermodel and I cheated on the girl and she found out so crazy she knew that we have been so tight. She just knew, like the energy. So she was spiritually She knew it was crazy. She was all the way in Germany like and she knew from a phone call. Eso I've never admitted it or how crazy is that ready for that which were And he was just a fucking weird thing and I became super depressed. So I remember it's crazy. Don't really talk about that. But I don't really cry, you know, Like I I think the last time I really cried hard was like, besides each one of my kids births, I can't think the last time I really cried like it was like, you know, like my boy's funeral chemo And I was like, 16 years ago, Like I I cried a couple funerals early on, but I think I've just seen so much my life now, like it was just really from crying. I'm crying out of joy. I was really depressed since I was a young man. Dollars get married, man. Such a douchebag. I got money. Boom! I buy happiness. So that's when I went out on fucking went to go see the world and what I meant was like, Yo, man, go usa and shit. And I'm glad I learned that early because people who you know, never been out of the country. They really don't get like, you don't become worldly or become like that again. People don't have the means to financially. But if you could man passports so much more valuable than anything, you know, just going to see the world. Even if it's like the most touristic places Just being there and smelling the fucking you know, the air and and and and feeling the vibe and experiencing, you know, interacting with different cultures and shit. You know, im I came back more focused. I was like, I need to figure something out. Where'd you go? Uh, I went to London on to South of France or Paris. Monaco, Monte Carlo, Central pay. I went to Italy. And what year is this? 2004. Okay, I went Thio Singapore, Hong Kong, Philippines, China, Japan went to Australia. Want to a lot of places, man.

Been a bomb. 30? No, I've been 40 countries, Not probably. And, um, 40. Somewhere between that 35 £40 I just didn't count, but came back more focused. And I came back like I was trying to make some money. So I always have, no matter what I do even, like right now, have side hustles my old shit or whatever. I have money just laying around. There's always somewhere to make money for me. Um, and I had, like, a little exotic car business I was doing. I was renting cars out the homies just to make money on the side. Had e had a good amount of liquid cash. So there were guys like that play for the Clippers and other teams locally and they couldn't get, um they would have, like, one year contracts or two or three year contract with the options. Whatever not get resigned. Go ahead and buy a fucking Rolls Royce, and I'll be able to pay it. So I go back out. Fuck. Let me slide in and get this car. You paid 400 grand for it. I cool. I'll give you 2050 grand for it. And at that point, I would go rent it out for, like, three gs a day, and the car would never be gone, for I would never actually have it in my crotch for more than seven days in a month. So if you do the math, you know, 23 or 20 times 3000, that's 60 grand right there. So even in 10 months of 600 grand, right, you've already bought the car twice, so I think it's a lucrative business. So I was doing that aside until I finally figured out, like, All right, What are we doing here? Figure I get into jewelry, and I became a jewelry salesman. I became a jury business owner and technically, a jeweler. But I didn't become a jeweler. Jeweler, Master wise with my hand until, like, um, late 2000 and nine. Okay, then what? Like what made you wanna be like entrepreneur? Like what? Or when Did you know like that you didn't wanna work for nobody? Shit. 97 98. Maybe that you could be entrepreneur. I mean, well, no, you can't. I wouldn't say it could be a broke entrepreneur. I just knew I was I just wasn't gonna be working office anymore. I can't be in an office and and on my behalf because I'm such a on the talks person. So I think I go in a place and I just don't like, you know, I mean, some people just can't like I had a hard time for people working under me. People work under me for a long time. Um, I have employees that work for me now, and I keep it very light. But I think my personal assistance only person is really with me on a regular basis. And I think he's gone so good understanding me after all these years that he just he just really gets it. And he doesn't want to be anything else but just a next ra hand to help, you know? Yeah. So long. You know, I don't even think I might have faith that I was a CEO fake, that I was the boss. And all these times, when I was like vp of label, not shit, I don't think I really even became a really boss. Even when I was drinking Lean and hang on my best friend Jonas, and were out buying shit being stupid travel and stuff. I don't think I truly became a riel Fucking like, legit box until maybe, like in this decade, man, How crazy is that? And I was already e became, like, a really true entrepreneur. A true Renaissance man. Until this decade. Do you like that word? What entrepreneur? I mean, e I don't mind it at all. I don't mind that word influence or I don't like that word. No. Yeah. What made you want to start a podcast? You know what? E didn't wanna start a podcast. How funny. The first time. Whenever asked me. That's crazy. I don't think, um, I had done Michael Rob ports podcast a couple times, and, um, a friend of mine was an actor. He was on TV show called How To Make In America. He spent a lot of movies before his named Bryan Greenberg. E was...

...just interesting. What the fuck is a podcast? So he played me some shit, remember? Back then there was, like, you know, several 100 podcasts. And now there's over a million. You know, um, I listened to a friend of mine, Austin Rivers Place for now, the Knicks. But he played the Clippers of the time and he jumped on a Mike Rapport podcast. Sounds like fuck it. Listen to it was pretty cool like, Man, I just want to know this guy's podcast. So I told my fans to hit up Mike and Boom, I get on there and end up being picked one of his biggest shows and come back and doing it. I think I did his show twice or three times. Um and then I did like, you know, I did the Combat Jack podcast and he was one of the very first. Then I did on Mike Tyson's and things. And then the Dust Brothers, uh, joining Miles, who produced Lightly Hearted, which is Josh Charts Podcast. They produced obviously Michael Rob Ports podcast. They reached out to me, said, Hey, man, going to a podcast was like, I don't know. Look, it's very simple, very low investment. You got what it said was like maybe like $1314 investment just toe by the main equipment that you need. Mhm will handle the rest. So remember, buy the equipment like and like mayor June A signed a contract with them. We did this deal. Boom. And we even launch until fucking August. It took two months. I mean, looking at fucking podcast clemency. Hey, man, what's going on since Ben Baller and, uh, yeah, listen, I just did. I didn't know what to say. And now every time I'm like, you know what, this episode is gonna be 30 mid 20 minutes 25. 30 wasn't being a fucking hour. I have more to say that. I think you know. So you know, here I am. And you know how many episodes do you are? You have so far over under, right? So I'm 137 episodes in ah year and, uh, 23 months and I'd be consistent drop every Monday and Thursday E stayed with it. Props to you, because doing it solo like when you're talking about like I can't I don't think I could do that. Yeah, it's tough. And you know what the funny thing is? It becomes even harder because having a guess, it's fucking easy, bro. You know, and I know you know, you know, to go on, just talk solo on that Asif's It's a trip. Are you? Are you ever like recording by. You're just by yourself, and you're like, Yo, what the fuck am I saying? Like, it happens every stuff. And I'm, like, a lot to like, Really, It happens. Um all sometimes you and be like, look at my notes. I'm, like, fucking Did I Just who wants to listen to this shit that's happened three or four times, Dude. Oh, I know I crack up like, just your rants, because I just think it's hilarious. And I feel like I still haven't got my fucking dick wet paws e feel like I have I feel like at 137 episodes, I feel like I have, like, 10 good ones. But I feel like sometimes after a recording like, damn man, you know, these air edited. You know, I'm saying there's things up, but I mean, like, on and and again, I'm just so fucking busy, you know, like, I want to do this to return the favor for coach being, but it's like man, bro, like I love you like I gotta be up to six in the morning and at six. In the morning, I gotta be somewhere at seven and drop off my car boom. They're gonna come back and my kids start zoom. So it's like I just don't get I mean, I get anxiety thinking about it actually fucks with me anxiety when I listen your podcast. Listen, Teoh a lot, bro. You know Z e feel you. Um What about Is there any you, I guess that you really want to get on. I mean, you know, because I'm friends with with Donald Trump, Jr. Uh, serious girlfriend like until she had brought it up. You know, I wasn't really anybody care, but now, like I'm, like, fucking you know, I would love to have 16 Jr on this show and talk to him. Um, you know, I'd love to talk to Barack. Yeah, um, like, is there anybody that you actually like? Don't know that you want to get on because obviously you have all the connection in these connections. Barack will be cool. Um, have you met him? You are. I've met rock once, Tom.

I fucking made something for a security detail. Hmm. I'd like to have Bill Gates on. I never even thought about that. Ever. I'd like to go up. I would like to ask him questions he probably never been fucking asked ever. Um, I'd like to have all the you know, the big dudes who you know, are keeping all PC and shit. Zuckerberg fucking Ellen. Whatever. Um, yeah, dude. I mean, I mean, I've never actually, but you know what I feel like. Oh, you wanna do You have, like, mean? I don't know, You know, at the same time. Like, I get excited sometimes at the same time. Like Like I'm excited to introduce interview, interview this guy Washington hose and then have his reality show debuts next Thursday on on HBO. Max. And, you know, it was not like a big celebrity thing. I'm just excited about it, but I mean, yeah, I don't know. No, I like that all. Like all that. I mean, yeah, you know, the obvious people. You know, I'd love to have LeBron the show because I didn't like him for so long, and not that I like him now, but I mean, you know, just to be like, Hey, man, fuck. You know? Sure you don't give a fuck, but I didn't like you for a very long time And being interesting interview, you know, uh, I'm sure I could think of a bunch of people. Yeah, well, you know, but I don't know at the same time, you know, like like I'm not really seeking right what I'm saying. Like, I had some friends reach out to Russell Wilson because obviously, but at the same time, I know it sounds crazy. So good. Everything. Whatever. And I also custom out a lot. But because he's so PC and he's so like, such a good person. I don't think he it just doesn't work. Like I didn't know. Yeah, he has a podcast, too. Russell does? Yeah. I don't know that he was. Well, he was gonna get on the show, and then I think again, you know, I might ask the questions that he didn't want to ask. I think that would kind of be like, you know, against what he wants to do with me. Oh, you know, like anybody who did who did you know, like, sports is cool, but, like look like I got random people who no one ever heard of. Like this girl. Aria. You know, bottle waitresses, girl. Boom and shit. You know, becoming successful. I like people like that, you know? You know, it's crazy. I listened to the one you got o day sister on, and the whole time I listened to it, I didn't realize, Like, who was that? You said, Oh, day. And my roommate was his ah o linemen in high school with him. They played in New York. Oh, yeah, In Brooklyn. Yeah. Yeah, sure. It was crazy. And being behind the fucking bench and just telling us, you fucking fat bitch. You and imagine this guy's like he's just like, man Jesus Christ. And then he turns around, sees it to me because, you know, you know, because he was a Seahawk turned around like he was like and remember, he hey, text me so fucking fast. Like little He must just walked the lock. Was fuck you. Yeah. I mean, look, bro like, I would love to have just, you know, random ass people, um, successful people that haven't, you know, talked about, you know, when the last Sunday, some pussy or something, You know, like I don't know. Yeah, like one of the coolest I guess I ever had. On was the founder of Starter Starter. Starter Breath. Yeah, Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Because he's from New Haven, Connecticut s. So that was cool. Like just tearing this story. And just like through the jackets, uh, like the delivery guy. And he got it to Joe Torry and Joe Torey award. And then, boom, uh, I got a few more just I know you're I know you're going into the hobby. How is that? I know you've been I've been, like, up and down because I know you were hyped at the beginning. Now you kind of got really like So don't Don't say that. I'm just you know it Z You know, you're like...

...basketball has a lot of games in the season, right? Was it 84? 82 games? What is it? Um, 82. Yeah. Um, and baseball has even more. Yeah, 162. It's a lot, bro. You know, it's It's I don't think anybody puts in the same work as I do. You know, I feel bad to say that, but, I mean, you know, I'm really going out here. You're pushing this shit. Heavy is a motherfucker. And I knew I'm responsible for us for a lot of its success. I have no problem saying that without any ego or nothing, You know, I've heard it. I've. And because I've been told from very important people from the opposing companies, you know, and I don't need to say the exact names, but the companies that are rivaling tops in any kind of sports card business. You know, I've heard it from a lot of people, like, Hey, man, this dude is really you know, he's how do your fucking units, Whatever, Um, for me to come in the fucking fourth quarter, I'm sorry in the third over time. And that's where we are right now. I'm like, So everyone's burnt out me to drop this Ken Griffey today and come gangbang hard. It says a lot. Man, I'm not patting myself on the back, either. I'm just saying Right now, in the first hour off Mike King Griffey job, I sold more than the almost every car did in the last two weeks prior to me in the whole print run on the first hour. What's your What's your projection projection on that one? Or that guy that always project? Did you ask him this time? Well, I didn't ask him this time. I don't know what he thinks. I don't know. He's pretty good. I think that I think I'll break 10-K. Yeah, he's like ridicule. Yeah, it was e mean. That's why I was crazy at the beginning. Um, Gregory, sift just did 8000 on a trout. That's like one super low. But that's a really high print one right now. And I've been maintaining, like, right around 5 6000, which is, like, still 23 times you sold the most. So far, right? I'm the feel of it. Yeah, I don't I think on Plus, you got to collapse. No, not even counting for that. E counted that E Think the second person behind me is like 100,000 like off like it's Yeah, but what about the hobby? Brought excited like, next year. It would be great. You know, I can't wait to go to the national. Can't wait to really experience like the real hobby shit like Gary v style. Get all that going is pretty cool. When's the Ben Baller card coming out? Like of you? Oh, fuck. I don't know. I was there. I mean, why would there be a car E. I just think the chrome car was already so big. You know what I mean? I mean, I'm sure there might be a tops. Now, you know, they do tops. Now, which is the current cards like? No, no, they do the ones that, like Gary v, had it. Like the National National Treasure. I think 100. Honestly, tell you the truth, I'm still 75 cars out there. Yeah, no, they have, like, just a like famous people. I'm sure you're gonna get, I think. Alison Winter. Yeah, that one. That one. Yeah, I'm not I have no idea. Who knows? Yeah. They're definitely gonna ask you what about top three defining business moments for you? Fuck, man. As crazy as this sounds, I think number one has to clear him. Say, just the pandemic for me to build a transition into the hobby my BB DTC brand being not birth but baptized during the thing you know, that includes all the gold money counters, the slides of teas and everything emerge. I mean, I don't know, man. Is it fucking tacky to say what? Um,...

...what I end up doing this year, I mean, is it? You tell me. I'll let you decide. Is the tacky to say what? What, What? What, What? What? What? What I did financially this year. What do you think that is? That gonna be offensive is not gonna be because I kind of feel the same way because, um, like when people say, like, they're doing better this year, shitty. And I'm just like like, I kind of kinda killed it because I was already used to working from home and people weren't s, so I was kind of ahead of the curve. I mean, bro, I'm probably gonna be close, and I'm gonna be closing somewhere near $20 million this year in the pandemic, you know? So that some, you know, I'm with an enormous sports agency with Excel sports management. You know, they have everyone from the legends like Peyton Manning, Derek Jeter, and they had them when they were current. Um, the Tiger Woods currently still. And then they have everyone down with, like Blake Griffin and Tyler, hero and all those people, and have fuck in the top 20 in the draft. I think they had, like, eight or 10 in the draft And they have. I can't even name how many people are at C. J. McCollum. There's so many different stars. They have Kershaw and so many players in the baseball and football and everything and excel sports. But you know, when I signed out with Excel Sports Management, I was like I was in, like, thousands like, Oh, like, maybe like 1000 something in the earning list in like, April June this year, like I was in the top fucking 50 this and fuck you know, saying motherfuckers are making big money. But they weren't making any money because everything was stopped. Yeah, so that za flex. But at the same time, I'm excited about it. That's a That's a big defining moment. Um, I think, and it's crazy for me to say that above my, my you know, Butt and it's It's just because of the situation with the cove, it but me selling my CD collection definitely had to be an enormous moment right there. That was that was that was a big that was a big business move for me because I became a millionaire now, spring of 2004 and then somewhere in between when we decided to make icy fresh in tow I f and Co. And make that into a real brand and it just globally and flourished like we're like, you know, not just in the conversation but at the, you know, at the at the top tier. Um, that would probably the third. Yeah, that's so No, I mean, I don't know what they're saying is, but something like, you know, and like somebody has toe, somebody has to come out winning, basically people losing people in them. And it's just like right. But I look at partnerships and collapse, and sometimes you can't do too many collapse, and some people clap for us on that. Some people can't grab it on the whatever if I can't give the company the same thing that they're giving me, or at least we both can't win that there's just no point us doing anything together. That's why I felt like Yo, man, like we gotta both benefit from this man. Doesn't make sense. Yeah, for sure. What about what advice would you give to a young entrepreneur? An entrepreneur? Yeah. I mean, again, that terms, you know, it's kind of the it's a wide spectrum, but at the same time, you know, entrepreneur, now again. Look, man, you could be working doing well and not necessarily killing it. Like you could be making money in four or five different things. You could also also be taking losses, which some big business people do. But you have these things that could potentially do very well And your quarterbacking them. Um, You know, man, I'm really bad with advice. I think you know, I would say, like, you know, you know, save your fucking money, man. And, you know, investing Smart show. I wish I'd invested in more shit, but I didn't have to, you know, because I made enough, so I didn't have to, Like, I think investing would be It's smart, but at the same time, in a way, almost be greedy. Mhm. Yeah. You know, I'm trying to say to you, And like, of course, everyone's gonna be out there making money regardless, and I'm not gonna stop anybody, But I don't want to stop anybody from making money. But like if I don't invest in Tesla now,...

...orbit point, whatever someone else. Well, that's good for them. Cool. And I want everyone to do. Well, I just, um You know, man, I just I just don't really have I'm not Gary v with that, you know, it's not really That's not really my thing, man. You know, I just feel like one thing for me is I think I speak to the Asian audience and I want them to understand, Like, yo, man, if I can make it mhm, there's no fucking reason why you can't make it. Do you know how much of a fucking absolute dumb fuck I was and how much fun douche bag I was? And I was out in the streets and being silly and fucking up my life and fucking up in school and doing bad here and there, and I fucking finesse this way and that way, and I just I turned it around, You know what I mean? I I end up making you know, I mean, so many left turns that the end of turning in the right terms, you know, So it's just I don't really have, like, a lot of advice for these people, you know, Like it Z. I was able to see things, you know, a mile away. And that was you know, has that changed now? I don't know. I just you know, I had gravy on my star had Rich climbing on my show. He drops his show, drops his Thursday. He's a huge entrepreneur. Now, you know, which is killing it. Not just sports, but media and tech and everything. And both those guys that I can't wait. I wanna live to be 100. You know, I wanna be working this. I was like, Oh, like, good luck. I told Gary. God bless you, motherfucker. I'll be are retired tomorrow. If I could e I worked so fucking hard, I'm just dominance over if I just wanna be attacked, You know, I hate politics, but that's why I don't understand. Like, if I'm, like, 77 I'm rich, like, why would I want to go run for, like, I'm just trying to chill? If yeah, I guess Joe Biden trying to get some heat he paid Joe Biden probably makes like, five or six million a year at least. Whatever he's, he's wealthy. Um, And again, man, I don't fucking know. You know what I'm saying? I e a power trip? Yeah, I mean, I have no desire being about never what I'm saying. That's why I don't I don't understand it. I don't. I mean, I don't know what it's when you say that, man. I would love to have Kanye in the show because we're friends, and I would love to ask him the questions he would not want to ask her. And because we're friends, I would make him answer back, especially in the same room. We probably have to touch each other. I'm like, Don't listen. You know what we're talking about. And security. They all know me what they were doing. Your sister and your mother fucker. I will fuck you up. I'll shoot your house like what you're talking about. Like I would make him answer the questions, you know, like, yeah, Alright. You ready for the average of savage question that these air just quick hitters. It's cool, all right? They're gonna be a Ben Baller book or movie man. I mean, that was the dream that was a dream, like the pipe dream for, like, way before any of the podcasting existed, You know, I think you know, like how the podcast was done you know, like how Jordan them coaching and stuff. I had a agent and we talked about the book and they, like, discouraged me. It was weird, right? Like you discourage me from doing a book. And I'm just like I mean, ideally, I'd love it. Za pipe dream. I'd love to, but I don't know. No, I think you definitely need at least a book. I don't I don't I don't. You have a Wikipedia page? I've actually asked about having one. I don't know. I think my agent finally get it. So I just asked about it recently because all the fucking time there's no wiki pages crazy. Yeah, Yeah, it is weird. What about what's your favorite fast food meal? Oh, no, man. I guess Wingstop is that fast food. Was that I e. I guess you can. It'll be Wingstop never had a wing, so I don't think they have them around. I think it's either Wingstop or Popeyes or you know what? It's It's a tie, dude. Wingstop Popeye's and fucking chick ties between those three about favorite car. Ah, life right now about favorite song right now, there's nothing new. I could even think of E. Alright, What about you getting on Tic tac or now? No, I'm old man. Just not me. My daughter is a She's a tic tac prince. She is the princess of Ticktock.

She's the queen of that shit. She she loves ticktock. She goes crazy. It's I don't know it z interesting. That's also I hate ticktock like I hate it. All right. Are you, uh are you still the best ruler in the world? I mean, that's Ah, you know that that's that's a broad question again to you in the hip hop world. Or, like, you know, in like, in like, ever know, living no, like instagram and that shit that people like you know, that that thing that matters, whatever like in that, like the hip hop custom shit, It's like it's to me. It's like a joke. It's like, if you if you had Kobe Shack and LeBron all in their prime combined in one person playing against Steph Curry like, it's just not gonna I just I'm just I'm just way too far advancement from them. All right, who's one person that you haven't made jewelry for? That you would want Thio or you don't give a shit no more, you know, it's so it's so I don't know just what, man. Look, look, look at my face. And can you see my face? Yeah, yeah. I don't care about like I don't know how. How much more, like do? Alright, what about what about? Okay. I know you're making all different kinds of stuff now. Is there anything that you want that you want to make That you ever had that you didn't haven't made yet? No. How much do you think we should? Because we have to make it, you know? I mean, like, I have some collapse coming up, like even. Dude, Justin Bieber hit me up the other day about something that just I just feel bad. Like, I just don't wanna make anybody shit anymore, you know, just No, no, I mean, like, No, you're coming out like T shirts and like, the money counters and things like that. I'm saying, like, is there any like item that you want to come out with? Oh, no, I I have, like, six more things coming out. When is this? What do you think this air like two weeks? Okay, two weeks e I have okay. At least 10 days. You think? Yeah, because I got one. You're gonna be Episode one third 1 12. I got 1 11 ago, so this week I didn't all gold Mini fridge. It is fucking incredible. It's in the fucking other room. But I wanna wait. It is fucking phenomenal. It is my greatest masterpiece. It is. It's It's The thing is, it's like, it's quality. It's beautiful. It's gonna fuck people up. So that's crazy. There is. Ah, you know, um, there's a few things I think, contractually, I'm not allowed to talk about, but Major brands, I got a couple of things coming out. Um, that I'm excited about, You know, this is a is it? I know you mentioned, like Burger King and subway like, did you ever want to do a cloud with them or have you done? We're working. Hit me up, man. They hit me about doing something we just didn't We didn't did end up working out. Well, that that be like full circle. It would, But at the same time, I don't give a fuck, man. I just a really big bag to do something cool. Like I'm just like, if they were like, Hey, man, one year old meal. I don't know, like, you know, like, I'm more of McDonald's person. I just didn't wanna work there, you know, like Dalvin. I knew about Dolphins Collab before he did it. And then I was Travis Scott. Boom, that'd be great. That'd be cool if they did it, but I think at this point, that's like, fuck, you know, like, two huge stars didn't like. Why the fuck did you wanna get fucking bad? I don't know what's something people don't know about you. Yeah, not that I have. Like, you know, that that I've fuck, man, it's crazy, right? Like I'm trying to think. Like Like what? Maybe that I'm a loner. You know, I'm a real loner. Dude. I love just being by myself, and I go eat by myself a lot of pre covert. I go see a movie by myself. Like I just I just like...

...being like I really like my own personal time. Yeah, Yeah, I feel you. Would you rather own the Seahawks, Dodgers or Lakers? I mean, to be honest with you, of course I'd love to own the Lakers, you know what I mean? But it's just a different type of thing. I just feel like it's just there's it's such a massive fucking brand. It's such, like, you know, you're talking about, you know, if you grab the biggest sports teams in the U. S. A. And of course, they get bigger than this outside. But it's like, you know, I thought Manchester United small started doing fucking shoes for them. And so I realized they're actually bigger than the Lakers, where, you know, like, um, but as far as the the use a goes, you know what I mean to me, I think the biggest. I mean, it's gonna be a battle between them and the fucking Yankees. But it's close, E. I think there's still maybe bigger, Um, but yeah, for sure. But who would I like to work with this because there's like, Oh, it's it's It's a weird thing with I just feel like there's so much saturation with the Dodgers Shit. There's so much saturation with the Lakers Shit. I would love to work with the Seahawks more just because there I feel like I have more potential there. That makes any sense. Yeah, they're like I would say, like they're kind. They're newer than them. Right? Last last one, just like you. Do you have any questions for May um, all bullshit aside, like, what do you do besides podcasting? Like Like, how do you How do you How do you generate income besides podcasting? Yes. I don't know. If you remember, we went live, uh, during the pandemic. Did you remember that or no e good, Not not so Ideo sports marketing. Um, and I work with athletes helping them build their brands off the field. Oh, nice man. 28. You're 28. Yeah, bro, with the beard and everything on God's what? You look like you're fucking 22 you look at your fucking 19. You look like you live in a college dorm. And you look no offense. I'm just saying You look very young. Yeah. No, that's good. I'll take it. You're from New England, so, obviously. I mean, are you are you? I mean, are you a Patriots fan? Hell, no. No dolphins. I'm not a go. Um, basketball. Then that's the Nets. Yeah. Oh, good for you, man. And then for Baseball. Yankees. Yankees. Okay. Nice man. Nice. Nice. Nice. Yeah. I don't know what else, man. And I hope I wasn't boring anything. I just kind of gave you the most honest answers. Um, yeah. I gave you all the time, you know? You know, I didn't want I want to ask you. I mean, you were just You're just answering long, so but that's all good. What? Is there another question? Could and should do. Oh, I mean, the only other question I didn't ask you was how did having kids change your life, Man, Uh, I think that saved my life. Not just changed my life. You know, I think being responsible for for a child, you know, you start realizing that it's not about you anymore, which is the obvious answer. A lot of people say, but some people don't step up to the plate. It's, ah, constant reminder that no matter how much you have, you might not have enough because you want to make sure that they're good at a certain point. When do you let go? Let them fly out of the nest or whatever that hasn't happened yet. But it's like, Fuck you know, like at eight years old, I was. When you walk in the streets of fucking and being out, jumping on Busses and going around, it's like I could never imagine my son. He won't even fucking how to navigate. It's kind of like, damn, you know, really have toe groom him and make sure that he's you know, how he's looked upon in society and things. It's a it's a difficult thing. It's a lot of stress having to is a whole another thing. Having three now your number. But you in your spouse, you know, it's just it just it's changed me different things. Give me a lot more compassion. Think having a daughter also? Definitely, Definitely, definitely. You know, I went from being such a piece of shit Cocksucker, dickhead, motherfucker. Thio being just maybe just a piece of shit, you know? So, like, I took out cocksucker and dickhead part and maybe when she gets older, I might even take the piece of...

...shit part out. But, you know, providing is is something that's a very important thing for me. So, you know, it's it's helped me in many ways. Yeah, well, I appreciate you coming on. This is amazing. Um, that's I mean, I think one thing that celebrities and whatever famous people you want they should take from you just answering your supporters on Twitter, just interacting with people more. I think that's what you do. Really? Well. Oh, you think I do that? Well, yeah. You know, you know what e feel like? I don't do it enough. But I do try to interact with people is much more than any way more than a lot of people. Yeah. I mean, well, you know, and that's that stupid, You know, like again, man. Um, I was not in a rush at all whatsoever. I'm just, like, fucking exhausted. I'll be up early in the morning, But I appreciate you standing up late to do this. And I'm glad that we got it done, man. Yeah, for sure.

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