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Ben Baller | Average To Savage EP114

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This is the one hundred and fourteenth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring Ben Baller. Paul Guarino talked with Ben Baller discussing his sports career, his podcast Behind the Baller, and his best business moves.

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This podcast interview with Ben Baller was originally recorded on December 1, 2020

...this'll is the average to savagepodcast with Paul Guerrino. Everyone in anyone athletes, celebs andmuch more. Right? Uh uh, Yeah, average The savage podcastused to be normal, but I'm trying to transform. So I had to break it out ofbad ass raps on a lot of opportunities. We had to pass on raw entrepreneur.What? They're telling me we got interviews with all this andcelebrities going in depth because the shallow interview has never been letdownload the apple Spotify with the interest. Please don't challenge meinspired people every day with personality and how we make it pop off.We be fresh. A lot of ops in the game. You could be next. Stay focused rightnow and bumping on the driveway the morning coffee on the train runningWell, I've averaged just average podcast do the damn thing And Paul Rinowe bring it in And now we got all your listeners. So take it from the top. Soup, everybody, I'm back for another episode. The average savage podcast orspecial guest today is Ben Baller. Ben. How's it going? Well, something. Howyou doing, bro? I'm doing good. Uh, congrats on the Seahawks win tonight.Yeah, I was. Goodwin is a good way. I mean, is fucking easy one. We're doingsome bullshit. And it was like a I honestly don't think we really went andplayed very hard. We're doing some weird plays and, um, someexperimentation. And there's a really awful team, and it's it's pretty. It'spretty bad, you know? Yeah. Yeah, it's just always funny. There. Just here yougo off on your podcast about the Seahawks. I'm I feel, you know Do you remember,man? Philly E. These guys were in the fucking Super Bowl just a few years ago.You know, I'm saying they have the most vicious fans in the world. They justsuck this year, but they just fucking trash. Yeah, for sure. Alright, let'sgo back, Thio Your sports career. Um how'd you How'd you just get startedplaying like football and basketball? You know what, man? Um, basketball issomething I was kind of playing at, like 78 years old. I think about it now.It's so crazy. My son can't even fucking dribble ball. It's just me andmy wife. I kind of had the conversation like it ain't in the books for him. You knowwhat I'm saying? Like it just think. I think gaming is just gonna be his thing.It just it just that's what it is. Um, different times. You know, uh, and I commend some of the parents outthere that that have taught their kids, and my parents never taught me anything.I mean, my dad tried to teach me to ride a bike, but thank God I had allthe brother, and even he didn't really put the basketball in my hands. But he got me into basketball, and, youknow, I played and I was okay. You know, I played like they played in school, played in juniorhigh. I played for the team in junior high. I moved around a lot. That wasthe problem. So from sixth grade to ninth grade, I want to six schools, bro. Mhm. So sixschools, You know, it was it was a lot and up to about maybe eighth grade. I wasprobably the best player, except I never went to a camp, you know? And ifI had I wanna camp. You're going certain things, you know? Now it's It'son a whole different level. I mean, bro, you could get a ankle sprain and not beback in the day. If you got your ankle spring, you're gonna be out to threemonths and you aren't even out for a week or two Now, you could just gettechnology is so crazy now, you know, just the way things are so on. Iremember right around 13 or 14 years that goes eighth grade. I started to learn some fundamentalsdefensively. Um, I fucked around with them, theirfootball in ST you know, I grew up in Korea, Tom brothers, and, like, reallynot parks and shit. But, you know, I...

...grew up watching football 11 football,but I didn't really start fucking with football until, like, again, you know,really Late high school. So basketball was something that Ialways felt like, you know, was my shit back of the day. There was a thingcalled slam and jam. Slam and jam was I know a You was prominent. Now I don'tknow how old you are, but a U is always gonna has been around for a while. Butslam and jam was like another lead. That was dope and I had a mentorsigning Derek. Um, Fuck, man. I just got through the day.I was like, Man, you know what? There's some people who used to work for methat I talked to every single day for three years. I remember the fuckingname anymore. Um, Derek Fucking shit, man. I remember his fucking hewas He was really good fucking player to was crazy. He, um I started playing the y M c a and wehave a team. There were playing boom, and I just started getting better, so Ilearned defensive skills My freshman year in high school, I played football.Didn't make the basketball team my freshman year. That kind of broke myheart. It was down to me and another guy. And because the other guy was agood citizen, this is really this real shit. He had, like, a 3.84 point. Oh,GPA is a good citizen, and he had, you know, so like, that was kind of like the breaker. I was like, You gotta be fuckingkidding me. You know, like and again, you know, you get to high school, youknow, you go through junior high junior. Whatever. And you go to a big highschool, 3000 students. Obviously, it starts weeding out things. Then you goto college. Then you go to the pros. You start saying, Oh, shit, thismotherfucker was man High school College Boom. Then you get to the prosand shit. You just may not may not happen for you even though you're agood player. Some things you don't gel with. Certain offense, defense, someteam, whatever. Who knows? Maybe not coachable. I started to realize that inhigh school I said this my podcast. I feel likeevery time I figured out what I was good at, it was already over. You knowwhat I mean? It's only four years of high school. It's only four years ofcollege. Why Red shirted? So I could have had more. But you know, like bythe time I finished college high school, I was like, Fuck! If I just go back,tell me one more year I figured out. Now, does that make sense or No. I mean,um and, um, my sophomore year in the middle of JV, There's freshman football J V. And thenthere's there's There's far Stanford freshman football that I went to J. Vin the middle of J V. I got brought up to Varsity right before the playoffs,and I played offense like a little bit. ButI was scared to hit. I don't think I've ever talked about this before, ever.And then it took to finally playing with people who you know, I was like anaverage sized dude. Mhm. It took for me, finally, didn't want it. I was like,Nah, bro, I can't let this do do this to me and something snapped. If you seethat movie me, myself and Irene, it's Jim Carrey movie. He has, like, amultiple personalities order, and, um, something stops in the head and youlose it. One day I got my shoulder popped out. Idon't have you played football before now. No faithful. Okay, so in football, it's not common, but it happens. I mean,it's more more, but you were pads, obviously, right. When you get hit inthe shoulder really, really hard, you can throw your shoulder in shock whereyou've never felt it. It's like think about getting the wind knocked out ofyou, but imagine it's your shoulder like I've never felt like that. Ithought like it was almost as if your shoulders gonna like that. No situ,it's gonna fall off. And at that point, I was like, Yo, dude, there's girls out here watching you.You know what I mean? Like, you play on in the field and there's like, there'sa track and field. There's a lot going...

...on in the field. Football's ours, butthe track around it, there's a lot going on. So I was like a man, I gotta stop out of it. At that point, I just turned into adifferent person. So my junior year, you know, 1100 yards, Uh, 12 touchdowns.The whole nine start playing basketball. I love playing basketball and I was decent. I just wasn't goodenough football. I feel like I wasn't even as good as football as I was inbasketball, but I knew how to cheat the system. Mhm. I can, you know, I couldsee I I know exactly you know how to ground plays. And then I just knew howtoe it was a different type of game. Uh, you know, I I applied to a bunch ofschools just to see if I could walk on. And, um, obviously U S C U c l A loyalAmerican at the time. I was a big Hank gathers fan, rest in peace. He wasprobably maybe I don't know about basketball, but he probably won't bethe greatest basketball players ever, like he probably would have been. No bullshit that he would he would havebeen, I think. I mean, him and Len Bias whenhave been, you know, probably some of the greatest players ever in history.Basketball ever. You know, dying of heart, a heart attack, heart attack.LMU was a small school. They didn't have a football team, so that was kindof be a problem. And I was a very poor academic, um, student. So, you know,with a bunch of help, I could even get a u c l A. I was gonna walk on, and mydad was a fucking professor there. He ran the Asian study department. We hadnot just that. We had a dean off one of the colleges write me a recommendationthat I could even get into U C L. A. It's really embarrassing you know,that's pretty embarrassing. You can't, you know, like and again back then ifyou had money, a bit different story. But, I mean, my dad made $35,000 a year,which is, you know, of claimants maybe like, 80 or 90 grand now and 89 grand soundlike a lot of money. But if you have three kids and it's really not, youcan't even live, you know, anywhere. It's like that weird lower middle likethat weird middle class thing where, like, you can't really, you know? Andthen people in the hood of Black well, we don't make any money. It's It's justit's not It's it's a different thing. Um, my my, we we didn't We didn't Wedidn't We were rich at all. Um, so you know, I got a scholarship, a cowlast minute. And the funny thing was, all my stats were good. Everything wasgreat. My senior year, I transferred. I think I sit in the pocket, you payattention. I transferred and I barely got to play. And I had to go to adifferent in school. But I played enoughto where, you know, I was able tdo my thing and it's cool because I was in the barrier as well. But then when Igot to college, I said all the wrong things to all thepeople on the team. Like I would be like I thought I was trying to betrying to cool like Oh, yeah, man. Beverly, I know this person, thisperson, this person had just think people are just like, Yo, man, shut thefuck up, China, man, I was really out, you know, like just not even though Iwas cool in my school, this was a whole different thing and nobody from schoolwas there, you know, I was like, Oh, my I was literally solo Dolo. So, you know, on I got I got bulliedand they took my cleats. They took, you know, played on Astro turf. So if youdon't ask, trip is like you like you'd wear like like soccer shoes. Almost.You know, I mean, not cleats, but like, you know, like like even a lot ofplayers were Jordans, so I had no shoes. I only have my cleats and 118 guys. Some around 108 guys in twodays in hell week in camp and the first day, like 30 people quit,and I wasn't one of them. So I felt like a man, you know, make it in camp.Boom. And remember, we had a freshman meeting and the coach sat down with all thefreshmen we have, like, dinner was, like, 11 of us. And he's like, Hey, man,you're out here. You're doing, you know, you're doing your thing. You know,Michael David a man, You're doing great. You're doing it. He's like, Yang. Igotta be honest about your dog in it. I...

...couldn't fucking bleed. He said that infront of everyone goes. And now you're just I'm just gonna let you know yourdog in it like you're you gotta You gotta figure something out. You gottaYou gotta step up because you're just not You're not making it out here. Andnot only that, I wasn't a star, so I sure acted like, Well, that was theworst part. Act like I was a shit, you know? And I have the cleanest uniforms, you know,staying like I was I was just talking shit. Whatever. And, uh, you know, I couldn't cut it. I couldn'tcut. Do you want I couldn't cut. Um one. The level of intensity I couldn't. Iwasn't strong enough, and I was the strongest I've ever been. At that point,I went through the entire summer training toe lift weights and certainthings. And then I realized, man to say shit, But it was better than theaverage man, Of course. But I can't be a bad guy playing football. Remember?Like I was. I was really strong, but genetically, I was Asian, You knowwhat I mean? So my bones small would have a big frame. Um, I was 6 ft, youknow, like, about 180 and again average. And so I just, you know, I end uptransferring schools, man. I said let me get some playing time. Fuck this.And on top of that, Cal didn't have ah, didn't have a film program. Um, they've been having any kind offilm school. All they had communications. So, you know, it wasjust better for me to transfer to a Division two. What does of state? Itwas a lot easier. I was playing. I was out there busting my ass boom and I wasplaying basketball. So I got to walk on the team, and that was where I reallygot to like, Damn, man, I'm playing on the first Asian American in the in thehistory of university to play basketball and football, and we get toplay against, you know, two or three D one schools a year in basketball guardSteve Nash, two years in a row, got to play football with some of the biggest.Um, Larry Allen is, I think, I think he's the discussion to be either thebest in the world or the second. But there's no he's on top threes numbersTop two. He's either the best linemen in the history of football or thesecond best linemen ever in history of football. And this do play for Snow instate. And I had to play this guy and I remember on a screen pass, I wentstraight through this motherfucker that felt like I hit a cement wall. In fact,I'd rather hit a cement wall that hit this duty kid. So that was pretty muchthe gist of, you know, all my playing days, and then, um um I think I mentioned it briefly. Ithought maybe I could try to place a bomb. Beijing at the time play pro andand, uh, it was for, like, um 17 grand. First, it was just really bad. I didn'teven last a month, bro. I got really sick out there was like Fuck this. I'mcoming home And that was it for sports. I was done. It's crazy. Do you have anypictures of you playing basketball? That's what I picture somewhere. Youknow what? Last year in January, I promised to go back tothe university. I have not gone back to SF State in almost 30 years. 26 years, right? Iposted a picture of me walking off the court, and this is like actual film.You know, there's no like, you know, and I posted a picture of thescoreboard. Where has you know, every time you walk into Jimmy's to your name?So And the coach's daughter, she commented, Picture still upsomewhere in the coach's daughter comment. She's like a man. Just so youknow, I'm Coach Thomas, his daughter, and we used to behind the bench talkingwhatever. It's crazy because she's a grown woman she's married to. Somebodyon the Pittsburgh Steelers didn't really pay attention, but she messagedme. She she was Hey, my dad wants to talk to you. And the thing is, her dadtreat me so much like, she don't really go over and talk to him. You know whatI mean? But, like, obviously it becomes successfully wants to say I'm sure youwant to say congrats. He was pretty genuine about it. But I want to go backto university because a lot of people thought I was lying. And I thinksomebody worked at SF State and they pulled up records and said, Hey, man,um, you average 1.2 points a game, and I was like, Amen. What game? A bad toassist. You always like a miles. You...

...know, um, how many people could evensay that? It all right. How many people could say they play two sports incollege? Yeah, three played even three at 11 year. They needed a ringer. Andthe crazy thing is that the championships. So I'm gonna tell youthis crazy story I don't think I ever Maybe I did tell. I'm not sure becausemy brain is so out of it, but we're planning is U C. Davis. So the the bus now I just finishedfootball season. It just finished. Football Season Overlap with basketballseason I just finished football season. We're playing against U C. Davis. Um,basketball. And I missed the bus. The bus is taking us to U C Davis find,like a 45 minute drive or whatever. It's by Sacramento if you know the BayArea. But, um, U C Davis is a pretty good school. You should probably heard.Least you heard of U C Davis there d one now. Eso What happened was thecoach of the wrestling team said, Hey, man, how much do you weigh? And I waslike, Oh, like about By the way, when I didn't play football, I should, youknow, playing basketball. You're running more rights, different type of.So I shed down like 1 72 or something, and the guys like, Hey, man, can youget the 1 67 I heard used to wrestle as I rested? A little bit of wrestled. One.CDC is like a man. All you gotta do is shake the guy's hand you know,arresting works for now? Yes, somewhat. Okay, if you forfeit, you lose sevenpoints. If you lose the match, you only lose, like to point. So that makessense What I'm saying, like so better to go in there and lose, then justforfeit. So the guys like, man, can you make the weight? I'm like, Fuck, man,Like I love you, You know what I mean? I was on a, like, a 10,000 calorie offucking day. I was like I was eating like crazy because food is free andeverything is taken care of. So I got down on 1 67. I went in there, and the coach is like,Hey, man, I just hope you could fucking you know, can you Can you at least tryto like I was like, Fuck, that's what These guys there's the fucking for thestate championship in college. Dude, you said shake his hand and going down.I'm gonna shake his hand and try to do it. I can I think I lasted like, almosta minute until you pin me. And I kind of felt like fucking I don'tknow if you see if you wrestle. It's crazy like a wrestling matches likelike boxing matches. Three round three minutes. Right? That's three minutes.You exert so much energy that you're literally out of gas. I can play. Icould play fucking 4 20 minute fucking quarters. And you know, football,basketball. Totally different colleges have, right? I'm so I could play 4 20minute quarters before I could go do it. The wrestling is it's just it's crazythat you know how much you exert yourself, and I kind of hurt myself. So I get second in state just for goingand entered and have a certificate somewhere. Ben Yang £2067 2nd state andC A C conference. And so after that, I get in my car and I fucking fly up to U.C. Davis. Go play the basketball game. I get pulled over for going 100 back inthe day. 100 was a big deal. Like cops will fucking this cop pulled his gunout. He was tripping. And I Magic Johnson. It just got HIV, my favoriteplayer of my entire life. So my driver's license. I covered my pictureand I put a picture of Annie Johnson all over my license. Totally forgot. Ihad that. Just whatever is just something I just He was just a big fanof his. So when I got pulled over, I give him license. It was it was a blackcop. What the fuck is this? What the fuck is this? And I was like, Oh, myGod. Hey, man. Man Johnson, my favorite player. Listen, I swear to God there'sno Google back then, you know? I mean, this is 1992 maybe. And I'm like, Iswear to God you could go and look at my gym bag. Got nothing the car wouldever searched me. I play basketball for San Francisco State University. I'mdriving Asset Thio, UC Davis because I missed my thing and it was pretty cool,man, he just cussed me out. Whatever. Boom. He didn't give me a ticket. I getto UC Davis, my shoulder shirt, whatever. Boom. And remember, I get in the game andremember, I'm not forget. I missed both 3000. That game was like it was afucking it was a ci fucking game. But that was like, you know, one of thecrazy stories. So I read a coach gave...

...you the nickname Ben Baller. Yeah. Bryan Fogel. I think he's Ah, hewas. I think he might have coach. He actually funny thing is buying vocal.Played with my old coach, Played with Steve current Arizona onand they're the same age. It's crazy, right? Um and hey, gave me my name in92 Ben Baller and just stuck with it was crazy aboutWhy do you wear 42? 42 is s o I was, uh Well, the crazything was, there was a guy at my high school. His name was really Crawford.He wore number 24. So 24 was my favorite number as a freshman. I waslike, Don't wanna be like to do with the Crawford. This motherfucker is abeast. This dude was like, this guy was like, he was a huge running back likeChristian Coy size. It was huge. And so I was 24. The crazy thing is, 24 is avery significant number in my life now because my son's birthday it was one of 24. It was Kobe's numberboom, but this is so many years before CO. Because I'm older than Kobe. Youknow what I mean? So what I did was I was ah James worthy fan. You know, um, I was actually a fan of James Worthywhen he was at North Carolina. Same time with Jordan was pretty much theLakers. He was 42 it just stuck. I was 42 I was 42 could see here 42 42. And I'm 42 years shit. 42 in allthrough high school, through college. So I was 42 off forever. Was it just Itjust stuck with me? Yes, though. I mean, it's crazy to obviously your daughter'sFinn. Jackie Robinson all that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think I have a new JackieRobinson until probably, I mean, as far as 42. I didn't put the correlationtogether until maybe right by the time I was fucking 30 like,year 2000, you know? I mean, like, I didn't think about that. Yeah. So wouldyou say you grew up with a chip on his shoulder? Yeah, man, come on, grow up.Shit. I want fucking car on my shoulder. roll out of it. All right, So then take me. Take me. Iknow you always said you worked at Burger King, but take me somethingthrough some other odd jobs you had. Um, right before work, the bird canwork with our the subway. And now the crazy part was you ready for this? There was less than 12 subways in theworld. That's crazy. That's how long ago this waas So it was. It was It wasin California because subway was was based. It was supposed to be aboutsubways, and I mean, like, New York. But I don't think there was even asubway sandwich in New York. Yeah, no, it's based in Connecticut. Try where Ilive. So with the company was basically in Connecticut headquarters is stillthere. E no. But was the first one in Connecticut connection There was like,you know, there's, like, a dozen in the in the country, and I think they'reactually global now. They're they're, like in Asia. Whatever. Anyways, therewas this possess one of very few, and I worked the fucking subway. And thefunny thing is, there's things I'll never forget how to cut bread and docertain things. And the funny thing was, I remember like the way that they cutbread now is not the actual way. You're supposed to cut the bread. You know,you're supposed to cut it so that the sandwich really fits like the meat.Everything will fit in so that the bread actually covers it. And it'sdifferent. You know, people get a fucking sandwich like a foot long,they'll cut it right in half. Think of a loaf of bread. They'll cut it rightin half, right? You're supposed to cut on top and make like a over cut. And Iworked with fucking subway finding. Was that subway I haven't got paid. Let Igot paid less than minimum wage. I don't have the fuck that was legallypossible. There was something some kind of crazy stipulation, but I workedthere and I hated it. I fucking hated it. The guy who owned subways name isReza. He Hughes, My our neighbor that lived in the building. I live with mybrother. Um What else, man? I worked at...

...a fucking martial arts supply store. Um, I was a fucking personal assistantthemselves. P A I was. I mean, I don't know what else you want here. I mean,I'm saying No, no, that's I mean, the subway one is dope, my boy. Just forget.Subway Used to get free Subs all times. Dope. Then get signal. Yeah, I don'tget a free substance. Subway. I think if you worked in eight hour shifts, yougot a foot long. And if you work part time, you got a six inch. That was it. Yeah, that Oezil Aris. All right, sothen take me through, Like, how? How do you win from, like, music, career toelike jewelry and then the sneaker flipping like, actually. Like what? Like what?What was your biggest break? The sneaker. I think the sneakers is whatfinancially set me free. You know, I mean, it put me out of debt. There wasno more. Like like I told people I want Oh, people try old like banks money. Iwas like, you know, American Express, like, two grand I had fucked up. Maybe800 bucks here and there and whatever. I tell you the truth, that was a lot ofmoney me back then. Um, if you had, like, 20 K and credit carddebt and random shit and you owed it. Never had any intention of paying itback or whatever. You know, that could fuck your shit up. You know, I'm justnot anywhere near in that situation ever and, you know, knock on wood. But,um, you know, I was in debt for a lot of my time in the music career andeverything, and I hated music so much, I just finally,um, I was a d j as well. So thank God I had a d. J gig. And when I finally gotout of music professionally, I stayed in D. J. Because it was something thatI want. Thio. Um it was the only thing I loved. It was still I love music somuch. It was like it was almost 50 50 with sports. Youknow, like, if you would've asked me, could I be an R and B singer or rapper,or did I wanna be fucking a player for the Lakers? Like I almost might wannabe there, You know, I'm saying the rapper, whatever it was also ah, lotmore glamorous than I know. It's glorified more now, but if you reallywere good back then. It was There was more respect. There are, you know,possibly over a couple million rappers now, you know, they're literally mighthave been maybe 10,000 rappers on the Earth. And maybe in the game there was,like, maybe 100 What I'm saying, like, I remember when you would try to get aC D at a record store or get an album, and there might be less than, like, 30albums out there. That's how old I am, you know, Like seeing it come up. So,like, DJs always were cool. You know what Imean? Like, there was never d j didn't have good style who wasn't dressed.Cool. Because, you know, you're usually in in the area where you're well seen,and people look at you, so you want to be cool. And it was like, you know, Iwas wearing sneakers before people knew it was cool. It was It was somethingcool. I was I was I was in sneakers since, you know, Fucking 3rd, 4th, 5thgrade, sixth grade, seventh grade. I had Jordans when they first came out. Iwas getting Jordan. I was working and do whatever I could to get Jordan. Sothat was something I always stuck with me. And there was a couple people thatI know foot things. Andre 3000 and big boy when they're now cast. There wasthey had a Nike plug and that Sandra residues name man. But this guy was aNike plug at the entertainment. You would give a shit we would trade himfor, like, CDs and records and stuff. And there was a few people who are inthe game that we're serious. One dude was named Dante. Ross was a legendstill on social heavy. Another one statue, of course. So fat has beenaround forever. I can't I can't tell you how fucking insane that, Joe toremain relevant. Still, to this day is insane. Another guy named Kelly whoworked in my office and Missy Elliott was kind of one of the people that kindof pushed me on a keeping my sneaker clocking fresh. So, you know, while Iwas d j. And I was out of the music business, I was kind of keeping thesneaker collection on the side. And then I started selling drugs when Istarted selling drugs, I was able to make five G six gs 10 Gs here and thenI wasn't, like, heavy in it. I was just...

I was under somebody who was like, anunder boss, and that was the big boss under him. So the easiest thing for me to do to hidethe money was by shoes. So I had nothing to sit and be like, Oh, man,you waste your money on the whatever I never thought anyone I never looked atit like an investment. Uh, I just borrowed shoes and, you know, at acertain point in, like 2002, you know, I had over 500pairs of shoes, you know, it's it's a lot of shoes if you really, reallythink about how many pairs Ah, 100 days. And now I think about it. I'm like,Damn! You know, I'm like I got down to 40 something like 42 pairs, 40 pairs,like a year or two ago. And I was like, Damn, this is crazy. Like I've neverhad this list a little bit amount of shoes, but it feels great. And thenit's like, Damn, I'd love to get down to 15 or 20. That'd be amazing. But,you know, for the longest time, I had 100. Even when I when I was a solo. Myentire collection. You still have shoes, right? And you know, when you get 500 parents likegoddamn and at my peak, you know, in 2004 at1800 pairs of shoes personals. So, you know, I sold my shoe collectionand, uh, made money. I paid off any debt I ever had. I paid somebody to fixmy credit. I bought car, had two motorcycles. I had two cars. Um, I hada BMW 77 45 which was, like, the hottest car at the time. Remember? Likeif you were a big dude and music or anything, you had one. I had 22crushing it. I had a Ferrari, you know what I mean? And I had a fucking highboosted motorcycle had a J six are 1000. So I had to box everything. I had afresh crab condo in Beverly Hills. So you had everything I wanted, and the only thing was at the time, itwas only the time I was ever engaged in my life And I was engaged to supermodeland I cheated on the girl and she found outso crazy she knew that we have been so tight. She justknew, like the energy. So she was spiritually She knew it was crazy. Shewas all the way in Germany like and she knew from a phone call. Eso I've neveradmitted it or how crazy is that ready for that which were And he was just afucking weird thing and I became super depressed. So I remember it's crazy.Don't really talk about that. But I don't really cry, you know, Like I Ithink the last time I really cried hard was like, besides each one of my kids births, Ican't think the last time I really cried like it was like, you know, likemy boy's funeral chemo And I was like, 16 years ago, Like I I cried a couplefunerals early on, but I think I've just seen so much my life now, like itwas just really from crying. I'm crying out of joy. I was really depressedsince I was a young man. Dollars get married, man. Such a douchebag. I gotmoney. Boom! I buy happiness. So that's when I went out on fucking went to gosee the world and what I meant was like, Yo, man, go usa and shit. And I'm glad I learned that earlybecause people who you know, never been out of the country.They really don't get like, you don't become worldly or become like thatagain. People don't have the means to financially. But if you could manpassports so much more valuable than anything, you know, just going to seethe world. Even if it's like the most touristic places Just being there andsmelling the fucking you know, the air and and and and feeling the vibe andexperiencing, you know, interacting with different cultures and shit. Youknow, im I came back more focused. I was like, Ineed to figure something out. Where'd you go? Uh, I went to London on toSouth of France or Paris. Monaco, Monte Carlo, Central pay. I went to Italy. And what year is this? 2004. Okay, Iwent Thio Singapore, Hong Kong, Philippines, China, Japan went toAustralia. Want to a lot of places, man.

Been a bomb. 30? No, I've been 40countries, Not probably. And, um, 40. Somewhere between that 35 £40 Ijust didn't count, but came back more focused. And I came back like I wastrying to make some money. So I always have, no matter what I do even, likeright now, have side hustles my old shit or whatever. I have money justlaying around. There's always somewhere to make money for me. Um, and I had,like, a little exotic car business I was doing. I was renting cars out thehomies just to make money on the side. Had e had a good amount of liquid cash.So there were guys like that play for the Clippers and other teams locallyand they couldn't get, um they would have, like, one year contracts or twoor three year contract with the options. Whatever not get resigned. Go ahead andbuy a fucking Rolls Royce, and I'll be able to pay it. So I go back out. Fuck.Let me slide in and get this car. You paid 400 grand for it. I cool. I'llgive you 2050 grand for it. And at that point, I would go rent it out for, like,three gs a day, and the car would never be gone, for I would never actuallyhave it in my crotch for more than seven days in a month. So if you do themath, you know, 23 or 20 times 3000, that's 60 grand right there. So even in10 months of 600 grand, right, you've already bought the car twice, so Ithink it's a lucrative business. So I was doing that aside until I finallyfigured out, like, All right, What are we doing here? Figure I get intojewelry, and I became a jewelry salesman. I became a jury businessowner and technically, a jeweler. But I didn't become a jeweler. Jeweler,Master wise with my hand until, like, um, late 2000 and nine. Okay, then what? Like what made youwanna be like entrepreneur? Like what? Or when Did you know like that youdidn't wanna work for nobody? Shit. 97 98. Maybe that you could be entrepreneur. I mean,well, no, you can't. I wouldn't say it could be a broke entrepreneur. I justknew I was I just wasn't gonna be working office anymore. I can't be inan office and and on my behalf because I'm such a on thetalks person. So I think I go in a place and I just don't like, you know,I mean, some people just can't like I had a hard time for people workingunder me. People work under me for a long time. Um, I have employees that work for me now,and I keep it very light. But I think my personal assistance only person isreally with me on a regular basis. And I think he's gone so good understandingme after all these years that he just he just really gets it. And he doesn'twant to be anything else but just a next ra hand to help, you know? Yeah.So long. You know, I don't even think I might have faiththat I was a CEO fake, that I was the boss. And all these times, when I waslike vp of label, not shit, I don't think I really even became a reallyboss. Even when I was drinking Lean and hang on my best friend Jonas, and wereout buying shit being stupid travel and stuff. I don't think I truly became ariel Fucking like, legit box until maybe, like in this decade, man, How crazy is that?And I was already e became, like, a really true entrepreneur. A trueRenaissance man. Until this decade. Do you like that word? What entrepreneur? I mean, e I don't mind it at all. Idon't mind that word influence or I don't like that word. No. Yeah. Whatmade you want to start a podcast? You know what? E didn't wanna start apodcast. How funny. The first time. Whenever asked me. That's crazy. Idon't think, um, I had done Michael Rob ports podcast a coupletimes, and, um, a friend of mine was an actor.He was on TV show called How To Make In America. He spent a lot of moviesbefore his named Bryan Greenberg. E was...

...just interesting. What the fuck is apodcast? So he played me some shit, remember? Back then there was, like,you know, several 100 podcasts. And now there's over a million. You know, um, I listened to a friend of mine, AustinRivers Place for now, the Knicks. But he played the Clippers of the time andhe jumped on a Mike Rapport podcast. Sounds like fuck it. Listen to it waspretty cool like, Man, I just want to know this guy's podcast. So I told myfans to hit up Mike and Boom, I get on there and end up being picked one ofhis biggest shows and come back and doing it. I think I did his show twiceor three times. Um and then I did like, you know, I did the Combat Jack podcastand he was one of the very first. Then I did on Mike Tyson's and things. Andthen the Dust Brothers, uh, joining Miles, who produced Lightly Hearted,which is Josh Charts Podcast. They produced obviously Michael Rob Portspodcast. They reached out to me, said, Hey, man, going to a podcast was like,I don't know. Look, it's very simple, very low investment. You got what itsaid was like maybe like $1314 investment just toe by the mainequipment that you need. Mhm will handle the rest. So remember, buythe equipment like and like mayor June A signed a contract with them. We didthis deal. Boom. And we even launch until fucking August. It took twomonths. I mean, looking at fucking podcast clemency. Hey, man, what'sgoing on since Ben Baller and, uh, yeah, listen, I just did. I didn't know whatto say. And now every time I'm like, you know what, this episode is gonna be30 mid 20 minutes 25. 30 wasn't being a fucking hour. I have more to say that.I think you know. So you know, here I am. And you know how many episodes doyou are? You have so far over under, right? So I'm 137 episodes in ah yearand, uh, 23 months and I'd be consistent dropevery Monday and Thursday E stayed with it. Props to you, because doing it sololike when you're talking about like I can't I don't think I could do that.Yeah, it's tough. And you know what the funny thing is? It becomes even harderbecause having a guess, it's fucking easy, bro. You know, and I know youknow, you know, to go on, just talk solo on that Asif's It's a trip. Areyou? Are you ever like recording by. You're just by yourself, and you'relike, Yo, what the fuck am I saying? Like, it happens every stuff. And I'm,like, a lot to like, Really, It happens. Um all sometimes you and be like, lookat my notes. I'm, like, fucking Did I Just who wants to listen to this shitthat's happened three or four times, Dude. Oh, I know I crack up like, justyour rants, because I just think it's hilarious. And I feel like I still haven't got myfucking dick wet paws e feel like I have I feel like at 137 episodes, Ifeel like I have, like, 10 good ones. But I feel like sometimes after arecording like, damn man, you know, these air edited. You know, I'm sayingthere's things up, but I mean, like, on and and again, I'm just so fucking busy,you know, like, I want to do this to return the favor for coach being, butit's like man, bro, like I love you like I gotta be up to six in themorning and at six. In the morning, I gotta be somewhere at seven and dropoff my car boom. They're gonna come back and my kids start zoom. So it'slike I just don't get I mean, I get anxiety thinking about it actuallyfucks with me anxiety when I listen your podcast. Listen, Teoh a lot, bro.You know Z e feel you. Um What about Is there any you, I guess that you reallywant to get on. I mean, you know, because I'm friendswith with Donald Trump, Jr. Uh, serious girlfriend like until she had broughtit up. You know, I wasn't really anybody care, but now, like I'm, like,fucking you know, I would love to have 16 Jr on this show and talk to him. Um, you know, I'd love to talk to Barack.Yeah, um, like, is there anybody that you actually like? Don't know that youwant to get on because obviously you have all the connection in theseconnections. Barack will be cool. Um, have you met him? You are. I've met rock once, Tom.

I fucking made something for a securitydetail. Hmm. I'd like to have Bill Gates on. I nevereven thought about that. Ever. I'd like to go up. I would like to ask himquestions he probably never been fucking asked ever. Um, I'd like to have all the you know, thebig dudes who you know, are keeping all PC and shit. Zuckerberg fucking Ellen.Whatever. Um, yeah, dude. I mean, I mean, I've neveractually, but you know what I feel like. Oh, you wanna do You have, like, mean?I don't know, You know, at the same time. Like, I get excited sometimes atthe same time. Like Like I'm excited to introduce interview, interview this guyWashington hose and then have his reality show debuts next Thursday on onHBO. Max. And, you know, it was not like a big celebrity thing. I'm justexcited about it, but I mean, yeah, I don't know. No, I like that all. Like all that. Imean, yeah, you know, the obvious people. Youknow, I'd love to have LeBron the show because I didn't like him for so long,and not that I like him now, but I mean, you know, just to be like, Hey, man,fuck. You know? Sure you don't give a fuck, but Ididn't like you for a very long time And being interesting interview, youknow, uh, I'm sure I could think of a bunchof people. Yeah, well, you know, but I don't know at the same time, you know,like like I'm not really seeking right what I'm saying. Like, I had somefriends reach out to Russell Wilson because obviously, but at the same time,I know it sounds crazy. So good. Everything. Whatever. And I also customout a lot. But because he's so PC and he's so like, such a good person. Idon't think he it just doesn't work. Like I didn't know. Yeah, he has a podcast,too. Russell does? Yeah. I don't know that he was. Well, he was gonna get onthe show, and then I think again, you know, I might ask the questions that hedidn't want to ask. I think that would kind of be like, you know, against whathe wants to do with me. Oh, you know, like anybody who did who didyou know, like, sports is cool, but, like look like I got random people whono one ever heard of. Like this girl. Aria. You know, bottle waitresses, girl.Boom and shit. You know, becoming successful. I like people like that,you know? You know, it's crazy. I listened to the one you got o daysister on, and the whole time I listened to it, I didn't realize, Like,who was that? You said, Oh, day. And my roommate was his ah o linemen in highschool with him. They played in New York. Oh, yeah, In Brooklyn. Yeah. Yeah,sure. It was crazy. And being behind the fucking bench and just telling us,you fucking fat bitch. You and imagine this guy's like he's just like, manJesus Christ. And then he turns around, sees it to me because, you know, youknow, because he was a Seahawk turned around like he was like and remember, he hey, text me sofucking fast. Like little He must just walked the lock. Was fuck you. Yeah. I mean, look, bro like, I wouldlove to have just, you know, random ass people, um, successful people thathaven't, you know, talked about, you know, when the last Sunday, some pussyor something, You know, like I don't know. Yeah, like one of the coolest Iguess I ever had. On was the founder of Starter Starter. Starter Breath. Yeah, Yeah.Okay. Yeah. Cool. Because he's from New Haven, Connecticut s. So that was cool.Like just tearing this story. And just like through the jackets, uh, like thedelivery guy. And he got it to Joe Torry and Joe Torey award. And then,boom, uh, I got a few more just I know you're I know you're going into thehobby. How is that? I know you've been I've been, like, up and down because Iknow you were hyped at the beginning. Now you kind of got really like Sodon't Don't say that. I'm just you know it Z You know, you're like...

...basketball has a lot of games in theseason, right? Was it 84? 82 games? What is it? Um, 82. Yeah. Um, andbaseball has even more. Yeah, 162. It's a lot, bro. You know, it's It's Idon't think anybody puts in the same work as I do. You know, I feel bad tosay that, but, I mean, you know, I'm really going out here. You're pushingthis shit. Heavy is a motherfucker. And I knew I'm responsible for us for a lotof its success. I have no problem saying that without any ego or nothing,You know, I've heard it. I've. And because I've been told from veryimportant people from the opposing companies, you know, and I don't needto say the exact names, but the companies that are rivaling tops in anykind of sports card business. You know, I've heard it from a lot of people,like, Hey, man, this dude is really you know, he's how do your fucking units,Whatever, Um, for me to come in the fucking fourthquarter, I'm sorry in the third over time. And that's where we are right now.I'm like, So everyone's burnt out me to drop this Ken Griffey today and comegangbang hard. It says a lot. Man, I'm not patting myself on the back, either.I'm just saying Right now, in the first hour off Mike King Griffey job, I sold more than the almost every cardid in the last two weeks prior to me in the whole print run on the firsthour. What's your What's your projectionprojection on that one? Or that guy that always project? Didyou ask him this time? Well, I didn't ask him this time. I don't know what hethinks. I don't know. He's pretty good. I think that I think I'll break 10-K.Yeah, he's like ridicule. Yeah, it was e mean. That's why I wascrazy at the beginning. Um, Gregory, sift just did 8000 on a trout. That'slike one super low. But that's a really high print one right now. And I've beenmaintaining, like, right around 5 6000, which is, like, still 23 times you soldthe most. So far, right? I'm the feel of it. Yeah, I don't I think on Plus,you got to collapse. No, not even counting for that. Ecounted that E Think the second person behind me is like 100,000 like off likeit's Yeah, but what about the hobby? Broughtexcited like, next year. It would be great. You know, I can't wait to go tothe national. Can't wait to really experience like the real hobby shitlike Gary v style. Get all that going is pretty cool. When's the Ben Ballercard coming out? Like of you? Oh, fuck. I don't know. I was there. Imean, why would there be a car E. I just think the chrome car was alreadyso big. You know what I mean? I mean, I'm sure there might be a tops. Now,you know, they do tops. Now, which is the current cards like? No, no, they dothe ones that, like Gary v, had it. Like the National National Treasure. Ithink 100. Honestly, tell you the truth, I'm still 75 cars out there. Yeah, no,they have, like, just a like famous people. I'm sure you're gonna get, Ithink. Alison Winter. Yeah, that one. That one. Yeah, I'm not I have no idea.Who knows? Yeah. They're definitely gonna ask you what about top three defining businessmoments for you? Fuck, man. As crazy as this sounds, I think numberone has to clear him. Say, just the pandemic for me to build a transition into the hobby my BB DTC brand being not birth butbaptized during the thing you know, that includes all the gold moneycounters, the slides of teas and everything emerge. I mean, I don't know, man. Is it fucking tackyto say what? Um,...

...what I end up doing this year, I mean,is it? You tell me. I'll let you decide. Is the tacky to say what? What, What?What, What? What? What? What I did financially this year. What do youthink that is? That gonna be offensive is not gonna be because I kind of feelthe same way because, um, like when people say, like, they're doing betterthis year, shitty. And I'm just like like, I kind of kinda killed it becauseI was already used to working from home and people weren't s, so I was kind ofahead of the curve. I mean, bro, I'm probably gonna beclose, and I'm gonna be closing somewhere near $20 million this year inthe pandemic, you know? So that some, you know, I'm with an enormous sportsagency with Excel sports management. You know, they have everyone from thelegends like Peyton Manning, Derek Jeter, and they had them when they werecurrent. Um, the Tiger Woods currently still. And then they have everyone downwith, like Blake Griffin and Tyler, hero and all those people, and havefuck in the top 20 in the draft. I think they had, like, eight or 10 inthe draft And they have. I can't even name how many people are at C. J.McCollum. There's so many different stars. They have Kershaw and so manyplayers in the baseball and football and everything and excel sports. Butyou know, when I signed out with Excel Sports Management, I was like I was in,like, thousands like, Oh, like, maybe like 1000 something in the earning list in like, April June this year, like Iwas in the top fucking 50 this and fuck you know, saying motherfuckers aremaking big money. But they weren't making any money because everything wasstopped. Yeah, so that za flex. But at the same time, I'm excited about it.That's a That's a big defining moment. Um, I think, and it's crazy for me tosay that above my, my you know, Butt and it's It's just because of thesituation with the cove, it but me selling my CD collection definitely hadto be an enormous moment right there. That was that was that was a big thatwas a big business move for me because I became a millionaire now, spring of2004 and then somewhere in between when we decided to make icy fresh in tow I fand Co. And make that into a real brand and it just globally and flourishedlike we're like, you know, not just in the conversation but at the, you know,at the at the top tier. Um, that would probably the third. Yeah, that's so No,I mean, I don't know what they're saying is, but something like, you know,and like somebody has toe, somebody has to come out winning, basically peoplelosing people in them. And it's just like right. But I look at partnerships andcollapse, and sometimes you can't do too many collapse, and some people clapfor us on that. Some people can't grab it on the whatever if I can't give thecompany the same thing that they're giving me, or at least we both can'twin that there's just no point us doing anything together. That's why I feltlike Yo, man, like we gotta both benefit from this man. Doesn't makesense. Yeah, for sure. What about what advice would you give to a youngentrepreneur? An entrepreneur? Yeah. I mean, again, that terms, you know, it'skind of the it's a wide spectrum, but at the same time, you know,entrepreneur, now again. Look, man, you could be working doing well and notnecessarily killing it. Like you could be making money in four or fivedifferent things. You could also also be taking losses, which some bigbusiness people do. But you have these things that could potentially do verywell And your quarterbacking them. Um, You know, man, I'm really bad withadvice. I think you know, I would say, like, you know, you know, save your fucking money, man.And, you know, investing Smart show. I wish I'd invested in more shit, but Ididn't have to, you know, because I made enough, so I didn't have to, Like,I think investing would be It's smart, but at the same time, in a way, almostbe greedy. Mhm. Yeah. You know, I'm trying to say to you, And like, ofcourse, everyone's gonna be out there making money regardless, and I'm notgonna stop anybody, But I don't want to stop anybody from making money. Butlike if I don't invest in Tesla now,...

...orbit point, whatever someone else.Well, that's good for them. Cool. And I want everyone to do. Well, I just, um You know, man, I just I just don'treally have I'm not Gary v with that, you know, it's not really That's notreally my thing, man. You know, I just feel like one thing for me is I think Ispeak to the Asian audience and I want them to understand, Like, yo, man, if Ican make it mhm, there's no fucking reason why you can't make it. Do youknow how much of a fucking absolute dumb fuck I was and how much fun douchebag I was? And I was out in the streets and being silly and fucking up my lifeand fucking up in school and doing bad here and there, and I fucking finessethis way and that way, and I just I turned it around, You know what I mean?I I end up making you know, I mean, so many left turns that the end of turningin the right terms, you know, So it's just I don't really have, like, a lotof advice for these people, you know, Like it Z. I was able to see things,you know, a mile away. And that was you know, has that changed now? I don'tknow. I just you know, I had gravy on my star hadRich climbing on my show. He drops his show, drops his Thursday. He's a hugeentrepreneur. Now, you know, which is killing it. Not just sports, but mediaand tech and everything. And both those guys that I can't wait. I wanna live tobe 100. You know, I wanna be working this. I was like, Oh, like, good luck.I told Gary. God bless you, motherfucker. I'll be are retiredtomorrow. If I could e I worked so fucking hard, I'm just dominance overif I just wanna be attacked, You know, I hate politics, but that's why I don'tunderstand. Like, if I'm, like, 77 I'm rich, like, why would I want to go runfor, like, I'm just trying to chill? If yeah, I guess Joe Biden trying toget some heat he paid Joe Biden probably makes like, five or sixmillion a year at least. Whatever he's, he's wealthy. Um, And again, man, Idon't fucking know. You know what I'm saying? I e a power trip? Yeah, I mean, I have no desire beingabout never what I'm saying. That's why I don't I don't understand it. I don't.I mean, I don't know what it's when you say that, man. I would love to have Kanye in the showbecause we're friends, and I would love to ask him the questions he would notwant to ask her. And because we're friends, I would make him answer back,especially in the same room. We probably have to touch each other. I'mlike, Don't listen. You know what we're talking about. And security. They allknow me what they were doing. Your sister and your mother fucker. I willfuck you up. I'll shoot your house like what you're talking about. Like I wouldmake him answer the questions, you know, like, yeah, Alright. You ready for the average ofsavage question that these air just quick hitters. It's cool, all right? They're gonna bea Ben Baller book or movie man. I mean, that was the dream thatwas a dream, like the pipe dream for, like, way before any of the podcastingexisted, You know, I think you know, like how the podcastwas done you know, like how Jordan them coaching and stuff. I had a agent andwe talked about the book and they, like, discouraged me. It was weird, right?Like you discourage me from doing a book. And I'm just like I mean, ideally,I'd love it. Za pipe dream. I'd love to, but I don't know. No, I think youdefinitely need at least a book. I don't I don't I don't. You have aWikipedia page? I've actually asked about having one. Idon't know. I think my agent finally get it. So I just asked about itrecently because all the fucking time there's no wiki pages crazy. Yeah, Yeah,it is weird. What about what's your favorite fast food meal? Oh, no, man. I guess Wingstop is thatfast food. Was that I e. I guess you can. It'll be Wingstop never had a wing,so I don't think they have them around. I think it's either Wingstop or Popeyesor you know what? It's It's a tie, dude. Wingstop Popeye's and fucking chickties between those three about favorite car. Ah, life right now about favorite songright now, there's nothing new. I could even think of E. Alright, What about you getting on Tictac or now? No, I'm old man. Just not me. My daughter is a She's a tic tacprince. She is the princess of Ticktock.

She's the queen of that shit. She sheloves ticktock. She goes crazy. It's I don't know it z interesting. That'salso I hate ticktock like I hate it. All right. Are you, uh are you stillthe best ruler in the world? I mean, that's Ah, you know that that's that'sa broad question again to you in the hip hop world. Or, like, you know, inlike, in like, ever know, living no, like instagram and that shit thatpeople like you know, that that thing that matters, whatever like in that,like the hip hop custom shit, It's like it's to me. It's like a joke. It's like,if you if you had Kobe Shack and LeBron all in their prime combined in oneperson playing against Steph Curry like, it's just not gonna I just I'm just I'mjust way too far advancement from them. All right, who's one person that youhaven't made jewelry for? That you would want Thio or you don't give a shit no more, youknow, it's so it's so I don't know just what, man. Look, look, look at my face. And canyou see my face? Yeah, yeah. I don't care about like I don't knowhow. How much more, like do? Alright, what about what about?Okay. I know you're making all different kinds of stuff now. Is thereanything that you want that you want to make That you ever had that you didn'thaven't made yet? No. How much do you think we should? Because we have tomake it, you know? I mean, like, I have some collapse coming up, like even.Dude, Justin Bieber hit me up the other day about something that just I justfeel bad. Like, I just don't wanna make anybody shit anymore, you know, just No,no, I mean, like, No, you're coming out like T shirts and like, the moneycounters and things like that. I'm saying, like, is there any like itemthat you want to come out with? Oh, no, I I have, like, six more things comingout. When is this? What do you think this air like two weeks? Okay, two weeks e I have okay. At least10 days. You think? Yeah, because I got one. You're gonna be Episode one third1 12. I got 1 11 ago, so this week I didn't all gold Mini fridge. It isfucking incredible. It's in the fucking other room. But I wanna wait. It isfucking phenomenal. It is my greatest masterpiece. It is. It's It's The thingis, it's like, it's quality. It's beautiful. It's gonna fuck people up.So that's crazy. There is. Ah, you know, um, there's a few things I think,contractually, I'm not allowed to talk about, but Major brands, I got a coupleof things coming out. Um, that I'm excited about, You know, this is a is it? I know you mentioned,like Burger King and subway like, did you ever want to do a cloud with themor have you done? We're working. Hit me up, man. They hit me about doingsomething we just didn't We didn't did end up working out. Well, that that be like full circle. Itwould, But at the same time, I don't give a fuck, man. I just a really bigbag to do something cool. Like I'm just like, if they were like, Hey, man, oneyear old meal. I don't know, like, you know, like, I'm more of McDonald'sperson. I just didn't wanna work there, you know, like Dalvin. I knew aboutDolphins Collab before he did it. And then I was Travis Scott. Boom, that'dbe great. That'd be cool if they did it, but I think at this point, that's like,fuck, you know, like, two huge stars didn't like. Why the fuck did you wannaget fucking bad? I don't know what's something people don't know about you. Yeah, not that I have. Like, you know,that that I've fuck, man, it's crazy, right? Like I'm trying to think. LikeLike what? Maybe that I'm a loner. You know, I'm a real loner. Dude. I love justbeing by myself, and I go eat by myself a lot of pre covert. I go see a movieby myself. Like I just I just like...

...being like I really like my ownpersonal time. Yeah, Yeah, I feel you. Would you rather own the Seahawks,Dodgers or Lakers? I mean, to be honest with you, of course I'd love to own theLakers, you know what I mean? But it's just a different type of thing. I justfeel like it's just there's it's such a massive fucking brand. It's such, like,you know, you're talking about, you know, if you grab the biggest sportsteams in the U. S. A. And of course, they get bigger than this outside. Butit's like, you know, I thought Manchester United small started doingfucking shoes for them. And so I realized they're actually bigger thanthe Lakers, where, you know, like, um, but as far as the the use a goes, youknow what I mean to me, I think the biggest. I mean, it's gonna be a battlebetween them and the fucking Yankees. But it's close, E. I think there'sstill maybe bigger, Um, but yeah, for sure. But who would I like to work withthis because there's like, Oh, it's it's It's a weird thing with I justfeel like there's so much saturation with the Dodgers Shit. There's so muchsaturation with the Lakers Shit. I would love to work with the Seahawksmore just because there I feel like I have more potential there. That makesany sense. Yeah, they're like I would say, like they're kind. They're newerthan them. Right? Last last one, just like you. Do you have any questions forMay um, all bullshit aside, like, what doyou do besides podcasting? Like Like, how do you How do you How do yougenerate income besides podcasting? Yes. I don't know. If you remember, we wentlive, uh, during the pandemic. Did you remember that or no e good, Notnot so Ideo sports marketing. Um, and I work with athletes helping them buildtheir brands off the field. Oh, nice man. 28. You're 28. Yeah, bro,with the beard and everything on God's what? You look like you're fucking 22you look at your fucking 19. You look like you live in a college dorm. Andyou look no offense. I'm just saying You look very young. Yeah. No, that'sgood. I'll take it. You're from New England, so, obviously. I mean, are youare you? I mean, are you a Patriots fan? Hell, no. No dolphins. I'm not a go. Um, basketball. Thenthat's the Nets. Yeah. Oh, good for you, man.And then for Baseball. Yankees. Yankees. Okay. Nice man. Nice. Nice. Nice. Yeah.I don't know what else, man. And I hope I wasn't boring anything. I just kindof gave you the most honest answers. Um, yeah. I gave you all the time, you know?You know, I didn't want I want to ask you. I mean, you were just You're justanswering long, so but that's all good. What? Is there another question? Couldand should do. Oh, I mean, the only other question I didn't ask you was howdid having kids change your life, Man, Uh, I think that saved my life. Not justchanged my life. You know, I think being responsible for for a child, youknow, you start realizing that it's not about you anymore, which is the obviousanswer. A lot of people say, but some people don't step up to the plate. It's,ah, constant reminder that no matter how much you have, you might not haveenough because you want to make sure that they're good at a certain point.When do you let go? Let them fly out of the nest or whatever that hasn'thappened yet. But it's like, Fuck you know, like at eight years old, I was.When you walk in the streets of fucking and being out, jumping on Busses andgoing around, it's like I could never imagine my son. He won't even fuckinghow to navigate. It's kind of like, damn, you know, really have toe groomhim and make sure that he's you know, how he's looked upon in society andthings. It's a it's a difficult thing. It's a lot of stress having to is awhole another thing. Having three now your number. But you in your spouse,you know, it's just it just it's changed me different things. Give me alot more compassion. Think having a daughter also? Definitely, Definitely,definitely. You know, I went from being such a piece of shit Cocksucker,dickhead, motherfucker. Thio being just maybe just a piece of shit, you know?So, like, I took out cocksucker and dickhead part and maybe when she getsolder, I might even take the piece of...

...shit part out. But, you know, providingis is something that's a very important thing for me. So, you know, it's it'shelped me in many ways. Yeah, well, I appreciate you coming on. This isamazing. Um, that's I mean, I think one thing that celebrities and whateverfamous people you want they should take from you just answering your supporterson Twitter, just interacting with people more. I think that's what you do.Really? Well. Oh, you think I do that? Well, yeah.You know, you know what e feel like? I don't do it enough. But I do try tointeract with people is much more than any way more than a lot of people. Yeah.I mean, well, you know, and that's that stupid, You know, like again, man. Um,I was not in a rush at all whatsoever. I'm just, like, fucking exhausted. I'llbe up early in the morning, But I appreciate you standing up late to dothis. And I'm glad that we got it done, man. Yeah, for sure.

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