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Brittany Wagner | Average to Savage EP5

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This is the fifth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring Brittany Wagner. Paul Guarino talked with Netflix’s Last Chance U star Brittany Wagner discussing her rise to fame, starting her own company 10 Thousand Pencils, and her take on education regarding student-athletes. Follow Brittany Wagner https://twitter.com/Brittany_MSgirl https://instagram.com/Brittany_MSgirl https://www.facebook.com/officialbrittanywagner/ https://brittanywagner.com/ Powered by Trimino Protein Infused Water http://drinktrimino.com/ -- PG Sports is a digital sports brand that has been Everywhere & Anywhere since 2011. With a rapidly growing social network, we are dedicated to designing fresh apparel, breaking sports news, and connecting athletes to fans! ---- Follow Us Online Here: Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/pgsports Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pgsportsct Snapchat: http://www.snapchat.com/add/pgsports Website: http://www.pg-sports.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pgsports

This is the average Tho avage podcastwith Paul Garino everyone, an anyone, athletes, soletsand much more put EP everybody, its a fifth episodeof t age, so podcast, I got another special guest with me today, BirneWagner from last Chan to you, how's it going Brirtan Godwh. Are you good goodgood? So? Could you give us a brief introduction to yourself wow? This isPrinti Waner. I am the counselor from blast chance, seasons, one and twolhich is how nice people know me. I guess I also worked in collegeathletics prior to filming the show for probably about fifteen years as andseveral different roles, but primarily as an athletic academic counselor, andI'm now the founder of ten thousand pensils and the last chance foundation,basically doing the same thing that I was doing on the show we just notworking for an institution any more working for myself. Instead, go go Y,GTO, yeah, so youere on season one and to last in to so what was it like beingon the show and what was it like becoming one of the stores? Isuw I meansilding thi show, like I really didn't know. Seson two is definitely differentfrom season one but seson one. I really didn't know what I was getting myselfinto. I mean I've never been on a TV show. I've never been around likesoming early of anything. So I don't know that I fully understood like whatwas about haven. It was fun, I mean there were definitely moments of funand it was exciting just to be to know you know that they were filming thatthey cared and that they were filming my work and my job, and I love the crew, the guys that thecamera lanmen and sound tax and producers- and I really it liked there.So I I think that was really important. I enjoy being around them on a dailybasis, so that was kind of fun. Just havingyou know those different personalities around and people around in my office and stuff.That was kind of fun at timed, and then you know you do it for a while and it'sfun and it's exciting and it's new, and then you know I don't know couple Mi ayou're like oh every day, an Ay heyfollow meEverywhereyou definitey have your moment wer. You just want everyone togo away, and you know your moments where you're questioning like oh mygosh, are people going ta live me. Is this Goinna be successful like whatwhat ham? I doing? You know? Why did I agree to Thati think you're kind of llover the place when you're filming something like that, and I had no idea that it would be that theshow itself would be as successful as it has been. Definitely had. No idea that I would beyou know, quote unquote the star of it. I never expected that so so it wasweird when Camera Sore Pholin you room yeah, I mean it's weird, it's weird toyou know Youre, just wel like I would get up for my death. You try. I tridreally hard to just be myself and do my normal rekin, but I mean it is it'sweird an you get up, Fron your desk and you're just walking to the admissonsoffice to ask the question and five people are following you. You know watdyou are going to eat in the cafeteria and you're sitting down with coaches orfriends, eat and cameras are silling you, but putting every byd of the youknow, Grac hamburger in your mouth and sa its just odd. They came to my houseand filmd me. It didn't really make the show, but I mean they fill me kind ofgoing about my daily routine. With Kennedy like on a Saturday and Sundayand that's weird, you know I remember going to a pumpkin patch with her topick out like our Halloween pumpkin and getting out of the car an like sixpeople jump out of white bands and you know and they're following me to thePuno Poch and all the people that are working at this Pumpkin paster. Lookingat me like what like what is going on...

Ho, are you tht weird? You know it's weird foreverybody, its uncomfortable. You try to play it off at just be as normal asCossible, but it's not it's not normal to be followed around with Kameras. Youknow every second of your life yeah for sure. So would you say season? One wasmore Rong than season to etend like it wasn't. I mean you know Ido think season to was so real and I think we were all really that thathappened and it was genuine and we were being ourselves, but I think it wouldbe unfair to say that just the success of season one didn't alter season. To Imean it was definitely harder. I do feel like there were some guys on theteam that maybe just came to East Mississippi to be famous O knand. Thatwas a little bit harder to deal with just the personalities of season to,and you just you know, you have your moments where well with season too Imean I was dealing with. Don't realize that n one came out in July. We startedschool in August, so the guys reported in August were starting a whole nothergroup, whole nother season a whole nother year and were filming season to,and on top of all of that, I'm being bombarded with interview request, youknow business opportunities, just all kinds of people want thes driving toscuba. Just to take to Maksure of me. I mean it Goe. The point where I couldn'tanswer my phone. I was getting hundreds of emails a day, so I think there wasjust a lot going on in the filming of season. To that. Maybe you know fansdon't really know about, and a lot of it was just because of the successiveseason line for sure. So do you still keep in contact with players from East,Mississippi Yeah? I do I mean, I think, we're all you know before we have ourowlives and we all definitely you know we're twoyears out from season one, and so we on, I think, we've all kind of moved on ina way and we all kind of have our own things going on, but I definitely keepup with a lot of the guy even before we started sfilling the show, a guys thatyou didn't see on the show I keep I keep in contact with, because I'm justthat's just kind of what I've always done, but I talked to John Frankplinequite a bit Ali Dakota from season to every now, and then you know Tom Bonnerand chaunsy and iol so yeah, the ones that you sole me close to in Seson Onoseason to I still comeat at. Actually, I think itwould be cool. I don't knowif it's possible, they could do it if it was like. You know, like the seasoncomes out. The season after yeah it'd be cool if it was like live, butobviously it'd be hard for, like editing and productions and stuff likethat yeah. You know one thing that I think would be interesting if, if theywould do it is to get us all on a like all in the saming room together andshow clips, and let us just sit around d talk about it. They do thei Wie SOS.We should do it yeah. I thinkituld be really fun because one thing you knowthis sow came out and by the time it came out, we were all gone from eachother, so I mean the players had moved on. You know I was still thereobviously afver seen in one, but I mean we saw the show and we never. We werenever around each other again to talk about it and sa to this day we have notall sat down in a room and DISGUSS. Our thoughts are like the funny things thathappened before or after a scene that didn't get caught on camera, or youknow we haven't been able to sit it down in a room and discuss what wethink about Tho show with each other, which I think that would be a veryinteresting conversation, because I think we all kind of have differingideas and opinions, and I definitely see Netflix do that with other showsand have the talks and quit ce Anas and stuff like that, yeah don' know. Hytheythey should definitely do that. I do think in season three. There is likea where are they now episode? So I am told which you know we're all in a they.Thet came back and filmed all of us,...

...but it's defireally. I so yeah it'd becool to get us all together, yeahso how bout? Isn't it crazy that some of theguys are now making it into NFL from season one in to mostly Seson wone? Ithink yeah yeah, I mean Ye. I have twelve guys in NFL that I'veworked with from East Mississippi. So that's not anew thing. For me, I mean every year I get yea, usually at least one player.That is somehow on a team, and so it's always excitingfor all of them. It's you know, I guess the fans get all excited about itbecause they know the players from lost can to but very excited for John andhis opportunity with the bears and the CJ revis was another season. One DIY at.I was a frea signing with Jacksondill jaguires. I believe and t I think wehad a third. I can't losing my mind Eoen, but yeah we had several fomseason. INE oan, two guys haven't really they're still playing o most ofthem are in ther. Seen will be playing their senior year on their collegeteams. This year, Deandre, I believe, has a two more years, so we'll stillhave Hana flord Atlantic for a little bit longer but yeah. I love watchingthem all be successful at whatever they used to do for sure yeah. I was goingto say. John Franklin's journey been crazy. Since you went to Flor State andmisissipp in Mississippi in Olburn as a quarterback, then miter sever as IfflorAtlanic, and now he son wit Chicago as a defensive player yeah, I'm ready forhim to just like. I want peace for Himia. You know like Fori to work, andI really hope that this is the opportunity you know that he wants andthat it all works out for him. It seems like he's really enjoying it and reallyenjoying Chicago and that he is bitting in well with the team. So he'sdefinitelye's a hard worker he's a phenomenal athlete. You know so I'm just hoping that theyplayd his drink so and he gets a shot. So last, since Tou seeon three iscoming out next week July twentieth and it's not future in East Mississippi, aswe know in feture and Independence Kansas. So are you going to watch that? I will watch that I'm not Gonto watchit that next week you know I'll be on a little vacationwith, with my best friend daring this time and M ot, I'm just I'm not goingTa, I'm going to try to not buy into the hype right off the bad. You know I will definitely sit on andwatch it at some point. It may take me a while it's diff it's hard and it'skind of different. When you know you ere on something and you started itkind of like you were in that beginning group and really had any end of making itsuccessful and sit back and watch it as a bystander. I think it's going to be alittle different for me, so I'm not going to force myself to do it. Youknow I'm just going to ease myself into it when I'm ready, I'll watch it and yeah yeto. So, were you disappointedthat East Mississippi wasn't on the third season? You know you weren'tgoing to be on it regardless Noi, Meani kind of knew. You know when I decidedto leave. There was already there was kind of conversation around me decidingto leave and that kind of sparks conversation of them leaving, and so Ikind of knew you know new early on that they probably weren't going back there,and I think I don't know what they wouldhave like. I know everyone loves he SISSIPPI and everyone love thecharacters, but I mean Av, you know those characters are gone and e. Youknow I don't know. I think I think it was kind of wise of them to get a kindof move the show in a different direction. I don't know what they wouldhave kept getting aty Secifia, teyad state. You know, I think, itll base to sayEinesin, O se. The fans reactions because y think you do fall in lovewith characters in the place and then to move it. You know that thin to Accanbe tough and so it'll be interesting next week to see with what the fans dayand e reaction- and you know,...

I'm excited to kind of see whatwhateveryone ates yeasure. What about? Has Anybody from independence reach outto use seeking, like advice about the show before, like they started, filmingand stuff like that? Yeah? I ad a very long conversation like hours couple ofhours back when when Netflix was still trying to decide Netfook a narrativedown, I think, to like three or four schools that they were trying to decidebetween and independence was that had made thatFil wist and at that point their athletic director who is Ta femalereached out to me and we had a very long conversation. Ours conversation.He had very some some great questions for me and then I just provided someinsight for her and it was a great conversation, longLinky, Baryan detoiled, you know very honest and because I think, at the sametime, like you know the shows out there and other schools can look at maybewhat it helped each Mississippi with the success of the show how it helpedOu Mississippi. But I think there are also some ways that maybe s Hur eEsicipian. So I think you know there are other schools that were in thatrunning. I think you know they were smart to not just be like all in and tosay like wait, a minute, you know how do we prepare ourselves for this number?One number two: Is this a smart move and you know, share some questions inthat manner of you know. How do we prepare ourselves and then what's thedownfall going to be like? What are the you know? Could Thist ruin us?Basically, you know as an institution, and so I just you know I just tried tobe really honest. WHUT I heard out what theywere getting themselves into and obviously it's a it's every experienceis going to be unique and there's going to be differences just because oflocation and school and personalities, and all that, so I'm not going topretend to be all knowing at you know what they were walking into, but yeah. I definitely try to provideinside help and I haven't heard from thes Tu. I haven't heard from themsince they've been selected and sine Saye Film. So I don't know, I don'tknow how it all went, but yeah Anddo, you think, like a last Anto series.Could work with any other sports besides football yeah Ean, I think itcould. I think you know Welland, there's another serie on HB got all ornothing series on Hbr you kno. They started in fl hand, they went tocollege football, then they trie. They went to like a soccer team and thenthey went back to the NFL, and I don't know I don't think that shows hugelysuccessful or evenor popular that popular bely. I haven't watched it, soI don't know how good it is, but and that maybe why they're not as popularis there there's something around a little bit too much? I think once youfind a lit and, and once the fans buy in, I don't know that it's smart to totake that same show and start playing with it. I think I think the mish andthe fans it is that Etenior Collegeis, that's Hig. I think it's a you know:Junior College Actet, it's a different type of athlete. It's a different typeof football player and a lot of the allure, I think, is that there arethese division. One transfers. You know there are these fall down stories andthen they get back up and- and I think that's what the fans are really love. I don't you know, there's not as muchof that in other sports. You know you don't there's not as many dropdownsFortu four transfers and other sports as there aren't football. So I don'tknow that it would work. I don't know that they should mess with it. I thinkthey found something and they should just keep keep wriding difnty sosinc Yo went eas, Mississippiyou startd your own company, tenzand pencils. So Pe tell us a little aboutthat. Yeah I started it. You know. I had noidea what I was doing. I just knew that it was time for me to leave. I SPECIPII had this new platform. I kind of had this this new audience and- and I really felt the internal pool totake advantage of it o to just go for...

...it, and so I lefht and I had no cluewhat I was doing to a lot of days, but I just went forit, and so I started this company D. I started it with kind of one theres inEr goal and it's kind of Morse. It's just been interesting how it's kind ofchanged itself so now sen, thosand pencils is really aconsulting organization. I work. Te Thousand Pencils is working mostly withadults, so I'm finding a Bot of administrators teachers counselors.They are fans of the show and stand up mine because it's what they do everyday. You know it', they see themselves in me, and so I get a lot of phonecalls to work with or speak to to do a lot of motivational speaking engagerest,but I work with these administrators counselor teachers on maybe how Tho bemore efpective with these types of students. I also do a lot of justmotivating like how tou motivate yourself to be the best. You can beevery day in dealing with these students day and day out, because it isa very thankuish job and it is a lot of givingwithout necessarily receiving anything back. So I think it takes a specialperson to do it and it takes kind of a special mentality to continue to do it,and so I work a lot sintims of tenicils work a lot with the adults like I saidwe also have a speaking to or Compona of it. So I do a lot of speaking of it,which I love doing, because that just provides me ththapportunity meet meetthe fans and meet people all over the country. So that's really what te thousandpensils as marked into and then I wanted to try to get back to workingwith the athletes and some capacity. So we started last chance foundation,which is a filmdation that basically scholarships high school seniorsfootball players only right now, but high school senior football playersinto into my program. So this year we'reonly taking on for but we're going to tak on four high school senior footballplayers that that I will work with one on one and hire people, training themto work with them as well. So we're strungin small, I just for to kind offigure it out figure the kinks out and then we'll grow it from there andhopefully the vision is to hire counselors all over the country that Itran and and then we have athletes all over the country that are working withDesen dividuals notos, pretty cool yeahit's, really exciting, yea knw,that's kind of what I wanted to do. withtensand pencils and I just it justkind of morsed into two separate businesses. So I didn't realize there was going to beso much of theadult. I didn't realize that so many feateres counselorsadministrators were going to Wanch, want my impurt or want my consulting myadvice, so that's kind of what somtels of pencils has turned into and thenweve created the other for the Athletes Dod. For sure I mean I think, a lot ofadministerrs and stuff like that. They just sometimes don't know how to talkto people regularly. I just think gotto talk to them at their level and notthink you're better than yeah. You definitely have to meet Peop Wer, therAtyou know, I think I think we're in education. We speak me doing what we'vealways done. You know we have a hundre hundred year old education system thatwe're just not really we're not really changing for ther generations, and youknow I think that they're be, can really improve and change education. Ifwe, if we would look at you know what we're doing, why we're doing it? It isit effective and then, if the answers know, then I think we need to change itand it's excitedg to see so many other, somany administrators and schools across the country that are really flying intothat now and and are buying into kind of my message and caring about thewhole person and not just not just the data. So you said you do a lot of publicspeaking events. So where have you been in? What's been your favorite spot togo to h my God? Iveeen everywhere I...

...feeliive been Philadelphia,Pennsylvaniapanish Arizona I just weft Dallas Texas, I've been toDetroit Mischigan. I've been all the way up to South Dakota Iowa NebraskaDow. I'm going down to Florida South Florida next couple weeks, so I feel,like I have literally been everywhere. It's been great to kind of dor thecountry. This way, I'm getting to see a lot of places that I haven't seenbefore, which is fine. I don't know you know I had a Bot, a great experiencesin great events. I really kind of fell in love with Detroit. I fell in lovewith the school that I was working with there same thing for school. I wasworking with in Philadelphia. I just really fell in love with that schooland those students too, I will say my best trip, probably not to flay,because my fight got all that stop and my loers Gome os s te Travelis yers. This dollas tripthat I just took was phenomenal. I spoke at a conference called educateTexas in Dallas Texas. They were eight hundred two surs counselors andadministrators in the room, and I was the keyot speaker, which I mean it wasjust to stand on that stage and look out at eight hundred teachers.Listening to what I had to say was a amazing humbling experience, and then Idid so smaller breakout sessions for them ore really really dived into somespecific stuff. You know to try to help them with this next school year. It wasgreat to see to hear their stories and see them. Dakota Allen's middle schoolteacher was actually at the conference, so she came up afterwards and we criedover the fact that here she was at this conference. I was speaking at. We bothknew and Love Dakota, and then I had the opportunity, which was a amazingopportunity to tour. I had a private hewer of the Star Practice Facility forthe cowboys and got I spent the whole day there and o just Goto meis amazing,to Bern about their oganization and the the things that they do for theirplayers. And then I got a tour of Atntwo stadium and I got Goodo Rangersgame, and so it was just fun to be in Dallas and get to kind of work, butthen Enjoyi, I'm a big Dallas Cowboys Fan. So it was an amazing experence forme, just as on a personal nag to get to do that as well. Did you Meetyour Jun?I did not need Jerry Jongs. I got U Di. The perch, though, was just this littleprivate. He had a they a his family. Has theJones like luxury sweet at the stidyum, but then he has a private little perchand it's only ten people can sit in there. It's usually just him and hissons that are in there and they'll watch part of the game. From that fromthat CURC I got to sit in the Perkh, which is difficult, and but I did not,I did not meet him. He was not bar. They were kind of on vacation. Theywere in there in between the Rookies D. not were had notreported yet so they were kind of like in between kind of e a little break. So I thinkeveryone was pretty much gone when I was there, but it was great. Have you been speakingmore high schools or colleges or comfactos or dis everywhere S, BenEverywhere? It's been a nice variety. I've done a lot of highschools. I've done. I Ave also done a lot of colleges which has been fun. Ilove doing the colleges. I've done junior colleges, which I love and then I I've started to justrecently started to kind of break into the corporate world, so I've done aeven for Coca Cola. I spoke to a Cocacola hadly and to do a motivatingsession for their employees. I've done that social worker, a a eventfor social workers across the State of Mississippi, I'm doing a big banting often in a couple weeks. I'm I'm going actually leave tomorrowto do a event down in Mississippi that...

...of port. All the administrators andsuperintendents of the state in Mississippi I'll be the keynot for that.So yeah, it's interesting when you get acall from you know like Coca Cola, wanting you to come, speak and you'relike well. What do you? What do you mee to say? Obut? You know I mean I think, thelessage of the show and the things that I think it's a universal message. An you know, relationship building issomething that Ne. We don't Kacross. The board, no matter what you're doing,and so I think it is interesting when I get those calls, but but it never fails,I mean every time I go and do an event like that. I leave thinking like yeah.That was good. You know that was good, so coke was fine cover coloris fine.Have you been invited o any Commin commencement speches? You Erestin. I kind of thought that that'swhat I would be doing a lot of, and I haven't. I don't know- I'm probably noteducated an that. You know they always like these very precigious educatedpeople to Spea Ed, graduation ofvent, so I'm probably proby to to stouthernand like not smart enough, Oh my God. So so you also Hav your own podcastsarping up what kind of subjects are you talking about on there n Kinallover the place? That's been really fine. I never thought that I would do thatever and when the company had approached me about doing it, I mean Iwas like wha. What am I going to talk about? It's been really fun. It's alsobeen really challenging. I will say that I think the most challenging thing isactually coming up with topics that I think people want to hear and just coming up with like what I'mGoingna do, what the showis going to be. So we are actually at the end. I've gotone more episode. I have not been consistent with it here lately, whichis my fault and not bad, but it's hard to get it done every week, but I have one more episode: I'm goingto do a final episodes for season one and then that'll wrap up season, one ofthe podcasts and and we're just kind of going to sit.I'm not sure when we'll kick off Susinto laby round football season or we liywait, not Wi sure we're just kin trying tokind of wait it out and see what happens with season three of the showand then see where we need to go from later, butit's been really fun. We've talked about football. We talked aboutrelationships. We've talked a lot of psychology, some education issues. We also had drewJabera, who was the Briter for the GQ magazine that article? That kind ofsparked last chance to you. We had him on just kind of discussing last chanceyea. I think that was our highest rated show. We had John Franklin on so wane kiffin. We just ONA lot a couple kind of hottopic. O I don't want to get all controversy al. I did touch on theLebron Jame sut up in trouble thing. So we've dot a couple, controversialissues but yeah, it's just 's kind of been all over the place. The people arelistening. So I guess they like all over the place. I don't Knowo noievariety of sod. Yeah Y. U K! I Hava, I vaiety offans eewealkingabout, thepodcast. That was one of the Nanes, the company that I worked with. They werekind of floored when I started funning my demographics of like who my fanswere because it's all over the place. I mean it's, it's not just men. It's men,it's women! It's not just college students, it's college students andteachers and adults. I mean it's migh range is like from eighteen to fiftysomething- and I it's you know it's all over the country. It's all ther ihavefans and other countries, because aliks, obviously as the worldwide. So it'sreally hard to like ten point, a Lich...

...of you know my Li demographics ar justtheyr jus, not ot, very tight becausethere. I A just have all kind ofAns Wir IINGA show an you can't have point Ho your audiencein true, I goonto good with the Ben Yeah Yeah. I love it. So what about have you ever thoughtabout belonging thought about itfo like fiveminuts yeah? I mean Iam, it's just really hardto keep all of that incurrent I mean you know we developed a website a yearago and already like I need to go another one. I mean my website.Probably at this point, ed Tobe stratche an started. You know e need tostart over. It's not updated, like I don't add stuff to it like I should Ican't do I'm not technologically Savy, so I can't do all that. I really needsomebody. I need to hire somebody to just gus all my stuff. Like t for me,you know I got asked by a fan who had a wob Co. Do A gest blog for her website,and that was the first time I had really done it and I was stressed outabout it. You know what am I going to say what, if my writing isn't correct?Myk, you know my punctuation an and all this and and then I just wrote like Ijust did it and after I did it, I felt so fulfilled and like it ispired by it,and I felt really good about it, and that was then after that I thought, OKay. I'm Goingto do a blog on my website and I'll blog about my tricksand who I need and my experiences as I travel, and that didn't happen becauseI just take time- and I just feel like you know there are a lot of Jays. WereI just don't. I don't have the time like I have to prioritize and that'sjust hasn't made the list. Yeah totally understand got a lot of ideas in myhead: Haven't written or recorded, or whatnot yeah, it's Toug toget it all done like even like. I did somelogs like Becaus people, always askme like how d you meet this person. I do mee t t that person Blah Bah Blah,so I sometimes I do like I do it as like a throwback Thursday blog and Isay like how I met sowing. So that's cool yeah. I should I really should blok about mytrips, Becausi sn people and sometimes hilarious things happen or onor. Justfunny thing I mean it's just sometimes ' and for one reason I don't want toforget Lik. I don't want to forget my experiences, so I need to really writethem down, but even things of just being in an airport, you know you'rejust sifting at in the airport and like that moment, where you kind of forget,you're famous and, like you think, you're just you know, IU'm just sittingin an airport like a normal person and then so you know take someone will recognizeyou and Screan from across the airpart and run at you and you're like wait,what's happening and Li just you know, Er's just always funny stuff thathappens A. I should write it down. Ll Start Doaingthat yeah you sctually right down what I did like every day, just like a little snip pit. Just toremember what I did that day, yeah, that's a good idea. I mean I reallythere's been stomany experiences the last two years and I already you juststart forgetting stuff. You know like you are I'm already starting to forgetexperiences and people and like and that's not good. You know. I need toreally remember all of this, because it's been an amazing experience. Etotherer one one question an: I got some fun questions. So what are your futuregoals in o? You have any future projects in the word. Oh my gosh, Ihave so many. Actually, my todulist right now were goinoreally fread it toyou. It's it's. My second item on my Tudulis is to write out my plans because I have all these ideas andihave all thes shoot te paper with, like my goals and my idea os and I'mlike I am, I'm gonna get a postor board out and I'm fixing to put all of thisout on one paper yeah for the future. I...

...mean I you know: Kenot of pencls isgoing great, a consulting and speaking engagements are going great. I reallydon't know that a whole lot used to betweet on that. I really want to getlast hance foundation. I've been doing really really well being my chool forthe future of that is to in fridge to explode. I mean honestly, like I want abuilding with. You know that that I have an office ten and I want to haveemployees, and I want to have counselors all over the country. Thatkind of goes through this councelor training programs, where we're trainingthem, and then I want to have athletes all over the country that we're workingwith and helping free of charge to them. Thet were honestly just doing good workand we're not expecting anything in return. Orr SPEC strings attached,pretty datlets, and you know I want us to se the fruiks of our labor four fivesix years down the road. That's really my goal and visot. For that. I you know. I want to get my website upan my website, fix and really kind of have away for fans and people whobenefit from what I'm doing to connect with me better. I feel like there's,they don't other than just emailing me, there's not a great way for people toconnect with me, and I want to be able to connect with those people that aresupporting me in a better way. Merchandising is kind of on the wistthere's. I am in the middle of negotiating ATV contracts with a certain celebritie. I can't reallymention right now that for a scripted TV show that is hopefully going to bedone about me and in their future. So all of that is going on. You know there's just a lot a lot ofideas. After being with the cowboys for day, there's kind of been SOM, someideas blowing around about me starting to work, maybe with the NFL rookies,and so you know, that's owt there there's as there's a lot of stuff thatI a big plan, an a lot of goals for the future Yeahtu, so actually randomquestion. How did you come up with the name? Ten Zan Pencil, you know, th showImeanyou have a pencil, everybody that was kind of thethng that my brand, Iguess the thing that suck with me and Ihad read a book outwiers by MopeGladwell, and he talked about ten thousand hours of effort. You know mything was sen DOMs of tensols and I really felt like some thousand pencilswith Symdollegos of Tate r ive worked with along the way and then also like te the hours af at Fordof me, the nee. You know I look at Pencil, those kindof symbolicof opportunity, simbolicof affort and it you know it takes a lotof opportunity and a lot of effort. It takes an taking advantage ofopportunity in order to create your path and your outcome, and I just kindof tessles was my thing and I tied that in with the tenhousand hours of effort,trew Jaber actually was the one that came up with it. We tossed around ideas.An Hem was the one that actually kind of finalized like the whole tenthousand pencil thing, but then we had. We did the TKP FOR A to make it shorterand yeah it just kind of developed ever time at the fans of the show er, theones that really started the whole pencil thing: yeahhow many pencils,wdid you give out eceived over fourand cencils from fansall over the world. I've given most of them away, they're just normal, likeyellow pencils, I'm giving most of them away. I would love to get my own likepet O win. I think that would be fun and TNOW. I'm doing a thing. When I gospeak, I do a whole speech about wher. I talk about reber bands and I talkabout the power Pustiv, making an changing your thoughts, changing youknow, changing your attitude, and so I wear a rubber banner on my ris andevery time that I get into a negative mindset or I taugt myself with thatrubber band and when I eno physical pay myself, then I will quickly bag oChagyour tought chage it down, and so I...

...do. I kind of give that speech certaingroups, and so now I've been to ask if I have beber ban for so that have likea motivational message. So I'm thinking about that. I'm like okay, ETA. I needto get some river bands and put some you know, encouraging words on them andmaybe start handing those out of these conferences or SIA pencils and rubber bands. I guesswill be thing actually yeah. I just listening to Thayour last Modcastbil thin yeah yeahpall thetime. Now like do youhaveAnruberbano I canthat I can buy or whatever PLA it's gont be te Panful,Oeo nowhat about no like pencil brands reach out to ou like collab orsomething Yo win. So Weird C you know you don't which you don't see a lot ofpencil marketing. I guess an companies don't really feel the need to marketthemselves, maybe, but I find it so strange, so I haven't beenreached out to by Ti Conde, Roger or e Ansil Company, bigI've actually reached out to we ive had people onli behalf, and I have actuallywe stopped at them. It's my understaing that Li Corso is a founder or on theboard or something of one of the big pencil companies, and so I thought,okay, there's my Tian, but now I haven't, I mean I think we could get ahuge pencil thing going. Just you know the rebirt of penils nanotbeen ctacted, O Youto, get on aconcil commercial to exactlyyeah. Actually, we bick is right here whereI'm at in Connecticut Theporun. How do you feel about social media? You know I was not a big social media personbefore the show, and that was a conversation that Netflox had with meright before this show came out. They had a pure person that sat down with meand was like okay. We need to discuss so social madia and I just didn'treally Ha. I didn't do a whol lot on it all night accounts for private. I justwasn't a big I'm, not a big soun person in general, so I just wasn't a bigspocial media person. Obviously, now that has changed. I think it has beneficial in a lot ofways. I love that it connects people from all over. I think that is special,unique and a fantastic thing that I can be connected with someone who I'venever met. You know all the way and Wisconstan through this apple, my phone.I think that's amazing, and I love that. I also think, though, that just likeanything, we have become consumed with it and Ik', starting to, I think it'sstarting to see negatively affect young people, their they're valuingthemselves and like their selfporsed, on how many likes they get or how manyfollowers they have, and I think when, when you start just like anything, youknow too much es too much of it is a bad bad dang. So I think again we needto maybe step back and find some balancin with social media, becauseit's a little scary. You know that what it could become if we don't CECKourselves for sure. So I go semi political estion Wer you so do you think college athletes shouldget paid? Where do you think the scholarship is good enough if a ye yeah?No, I don't think scholarships are good enough. I do think that we shouldfigure out a way to compensate them in some way. You know, I think, the days of thescholarship being enough for over, I think college football, especiallyanmen's basketball, have exploded to a level that was maybe not planned. Forand there's is you know it's all about the money and it shbe contracts, and Ithink the athletes are the ones thatre...

...losing out on the deal these days, andI don't think that's fair. I think that there are a lot of people with a lot ofdegrees who are very smart and intelligent sitting behind decisionmaking tables within ACA, and I think they can figure it out if they wantedto. I don't think they want to because ittakes so money away from them, which I think is wrong yeah, but do you think,like Oh Lebels should get paid? You Knowi do, I think thatthats a Touhthing to figure out and I do understand a dilemma and if you're going to pay,you know Gamee Winson yea, how to you know, based on his his success or hisJersey Cell. How do you pay this SOMON player over here? Who you know I get? I get the DELEA N, but there hasto be a solution somewhere. That is better than whatwe're doing now. I don't know that the solution we find today will be te end.Onl Be Youa greatest solution, but I think you have like we can takl babysteps until we do find the answer. I think anything is better than whatwe're doing now. Yeahto me, when you have a player to, I don't know, can't even pick a Mam,but you have a player who's, maybe from you know, Texas and he's playingand Florida and he's the quarterback and he's driving your team, and youknow that hit you're spelling his Jersey in the bookstore for Ninetyars,a pop and you're selling out your ninetyzandl Statin ninetds stadium.Basically, because he's winning and his parents can't afford to come to hisgame and we can't Fli them in you have a problem. That's a problem like thatis not that it's not okay. You Know Er when this kid can't pay his rent orhe's not eating three mials a day or he's not getting the support medicantlyemotionally, that he psychologically that he should get as a human being tat.That's wrong! There's a problem there and I just I don't know how people whoare not invested in fixing the problem can live with themselves because to methat is just it's just wrong on every level yeah, you know who Labor Bol is,I know the name, so he distarted his own basketball league, for I guess, High School. I think it'sseventeen to nineteen year olds, so they don't have to go to college andthey'll get paid to play in that league instead of going to college for oneyear, okay, yeah well and there's a football league starting up. That'sgoing to do this similar thing, so I think people are starting to test o anCA and these professional organizations which I'm all for like it. It's let'sdo something I mean better than nothing yeah I think in general, like probablywithin the next, like fifty years, like colleges are going to decrease. Like Ithink, Tohathatou kneuatio is important and I do think that college im startedout. It was a balance. You know it was a way for people maybe to go to collegethat couldn't afford to go to to otherwise, and they were getting twothings out of it. They were getting a great education and they were able toplay their sport, and I think that's a beautiful thing, and I don't know thatI want the education to be completely taken out of it, but we Wen we've gotto the point where we're not valuing the education and we're using theplayer and- and we didnt everything we're saying but they're getting aneducation, but are they I mean Likei, think you know, I think there's got tobe a different solution and I want education to be a part of the solution,but we can't just stand there with our Las Cross. You know doing what we'vealways done and thinking that it's okay, when somebody is makingmillions of dollars also these players, whos parents, can't even watch themplay. We just have to fix that: U...

Yeah Yeathat's Wen! It's also crazy.That the coach that they're playing for is most likely a millionaire yeah. You know, yeah, I mean coachescontracts ar little out of control. It seems like administrators, aboicdirectors now are'. They have no power control, they're, just working for thecoach and you know yeah I mean it's a lot tothink ut. It's fixable. I think it had to start from the top and somebody hadto say- and I Tis't we're not doing this anymore, and when that person you know whoever thatbrave Sol is. I will stand behind US maybemaybe, be you Nand. You go to entoffice. I Don' nowallt. Well, I think. That'sall the questions. I got O thanks. thatawesome thank Y waappreciate, youcomng on the show and if you want to tell people where they could find youon Social Media Ngmrthesamesoi at Brittany underscore ms girl an massesin Mississippi. So at Brittney under sport, an s gir is my twitter andinstagram following name and then I have a facebook stand. Page ils have awebsite, Britty winercom, wea Yo. Thank you.

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