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Brittany Wagner | Average to Savage EP5

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This is the fifth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring Brittany Wagner. Paul Guarino talked with Netflix’s Last Chance U star Brittany Wagner discussing her rise to fame, starting her own company 10 Thousand Pencils, and her take on education regarding student-athletes. Follow Brittany Wagner https://twitter.com/Brittany_MSgirl https://instagram.com/Brittany_MSgirl https://www.facebook.com/officialbrittanywagner/ https://brittanywagner.com/ Powered by Trimino Protein Infused Water http://drinktrimino.com/ -- PG Sports is a digital sports brand that has been Everywhere & Anywhere since 2011. With a rapidly growing social network, we are dedicated to designing fresh apparel, breaking sports news, and connecting athletes to fans! ---- Follow Us Online Here: Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/pgsports Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pgsportsct Snapchat: http://www.snapchat.com/add/pgsports Website: http://www.pg-sports.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pgsports

This is the average to savage podcast with Paul Greno everyone in anyone, athletes, sweats and much more. What's up, everybody. It's a fifth episode of the average Sabout podcast. I got another special guest with me today, Britney Wagner from last chance. You. How's it going, Bernie? Good? How are you good? Good, good. So could you give us a brief introduction to yourself? Wow, this is Britney Wagner. I am the counselor from last chance to seasons one and two, which is how most people know me. I guess I bolso worked in college athletics prior to filming the show for probably about fifteen years as an in several different roles, but primarily as an athletic academic counselor, and I'm now the founder of ten thousand pencils and the last chance foundation, basically doing the same thing that I was doing on the show. We just not working for institution anymore, working for myself instead. Gotcha, Gotcha, Gotcha. Yeah, so you were on season one and two of last yance. So what was it like being on the show and what was it like becoming one of the stars of the show? I mean filming the show. Like I really didn't know. Season two is definitely different from season one, but season one I really didn't know what I was getting myself into. I mean, I've never been on a TV show. I've never been around like filming early of anything, so I don't know that I fully understood like what was about to happen. It was fine and I mean there were definitely moments of fun and it was exciting just to be to know, you know, that they were filming, that they cared and that they were filming my work and my job and I love the crew, the guys that the cameramant men and sound techs and producers, and I really liked them. So I think that was really important. I enjoyed being around them on a daily basis. So that was kind of fun, just having, you know, those different personalities around and people around in my office and stuff. That was kind of fun at times. And then, you know, you do it for a while and it's fun and it's exciting and it's new and then, you know, I don't know, about a couple months in, you're like Oh, every day and the follow me everywhere and you know, I mean you definitely have your moments where you just want everyone to go away and you know, in your moments where you're questioning, like oh my gosh, are people going to like me? Is this gonna Be Successful? Like what, what am I doing? You know, why did I agree to this? I mean, I think you're kind of all over the place when you're filming something like that, and I had no idea that it would be that the show itself would be as successful as it has been, and I definitely had no idea that I would be, you know, quote unquote, the Star of a never expected that. So it was weird when the cameras are phoning you were up. Yeah, I mean it's weird. It's weird to you know you're just would like I look, get up from my desk and you try. I tried really hard to just be myself and do my normal routine, but I mean it is we it's weird when you get up from your desk and you're just walking to the admissions office to ask the question and five people are following you. You know for years are going to eat the cafeteria and you're sitting down with coaches or a friend to eat and cameras are filming you put putting every boy of the you know, greasy hamburger in your mouth and say it's just odd. And they came to my house and films me. It didn't really make the show, but I mean they filmed me kind of going about my daily routine with Kennedy, like on a Saturday and Sunday, and that's weird. You know. I remember going to a Pumpkin patch with her to pick out like our Halloween pumpkin and getting out of the car and like six people jump out of white fans and you know, and they're following me to the Pumpkin Patch and all the people that are working at this Pumpkin pats are looking at me like what, like what is going on? To Are you? That's weird. You know,...

...it's weird for everybody. It's uncomfortable. You try to play it off and just be as normal as possible, but it's not. It's not normal to be followed around with cameras, you know, every second of your life. Yeah, for sure. So would you say season one was more raw than season two? I think it would be unsayer to pretend like it wasn't. I mean, you know, I do think season two is still real and I think we were all really that that happened and it was genuine and we were being ourselves. But I think it would be unfair to say that just the success of season one didn't alter season two. I mean it was definitely harder. I do feel like there were some guys on the team that maybe just came to East Sissippi to be famous and that was a little bit harder to deal with. Just the personalities of season two and you just you know, you have your moments where. Well, with season two, I mean I was dealing with people don't realize the mean season one came out in July. We started school in August, so the guys reported in August. We're starting a whole nother group, a whole another season, a whole other year, and we're filming season two and on top of all of that I'm being bombarded with interview requests, you know, business opportunities, just all kinds of people want to driving to scuba just to take the picture of me. I mean, Guy's the point where I couldn't answer my phone. I was getting hundreds of emails a day. So I think there was just a lot going on in the filming of season two that maybe, you know, fans don't really know about, and a lot of it was just because of the success of season one, for sure. So do you still keep in contact with players from the East Mississippi? Yeah, I do. I mean I think we're all, you know, people. We have our own lives and we all definitely, you know, we're two years out from season one and so we fought. I think we've all kind of moved on in a way and we all kind of have our own things going on. But I definitely keep up with a lot of the guys, even before we started filming the show, guys that you didn't see on the show. I key I keep in contact with because I've just that's just kind of what I've always done. But I talked to John Franklin quite a bit, Ali Dakota from season two every now and then. You know, Tim Bonner and Chauncy and I'll so, yeah, the ones that you saw me close to and season one and season two I still communicate with. Yeah, actually, I think you would be cool. I don't know if it's possible, if they could do it, if it was like, you know, like the season comes out with the season after. Yeah, it would be cool if it was like live, but I obviously would be hard for like editing and production and stuff like that. Yeah, you know, one thing that I think would be interesting if they would do it, is to get us all on us like all in the same room together and show clips and let us just sit around talk about it, because they do their way the shows. I should do that. Yeah, I think it would be really fun because one thing, you know, the show came out and by the time it came out we were all gone from each other. So mean the players had moved on. You know, I was still there, obviously, after season one, but I mean we saw the show and we never we were never around each other again to talk about it, and is so to this day we have not all sat down in a room and discussed our thoughts. are like the funny things that happened before or after a scene that didn't get caught on camera or you know, we haven't been able to sit down in a room and discuss what we think about the show with each other, which I think that would be a very interesting conversation because I think we all kind of have differing ideas and opinions and I definitely seen Netflix do that with other shows and have the talks and quite cute and age and stuff like that. Yeah, I don't know why they haven't. They said definitely do that. Yeah, I do think in season three there is like the where are they now episode, so I am told, which you know, we're all in it. They came back and...

...filmed all of us, but it's definately and so, yeah, it'd be cool to get us all together. Yeah. So how about isn't it crazy that's some of the guys are now making it into the NFL from season one end too, mostly season one, I think. Yeah, it's I have twelve guys in the NFL that I've worked with from ESSISSIPPI, so that's not a new thing for me. I mean every year I get usually at least one player that is somehow on a team, and so it's always exciting for all of them. It's to you know, I guess the fans get all excited about it because they they know the players from last Yanti, but now very excited for John and his opportunity with the bears. And then Ceja Rivas was another season. One guy was a free agent signy with Jacksonville. Jagguiers, I believe, and I think we had a third. I'm losing my mind economent, but yeah, we had several from season one season two. Guys haven't really they're still playing. So most of them are in their seeing will be playing their senior year on their college teams this year. Deandre, I believe, has a two more years, so we'll still have him at Florida Atlantic for a little bit longer. But yeah, I love watching them all be successful at whatever they used to do. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I was going to say John Franklin's journey been crazy since you went to Florida state, then Mississippi, then Mississippi in Auburn as a quarterback, then wide receiver as a floor Atlantic and now he signed with Chicago as a defensive player. Yeah, I'm ready for him to just like I want peace for him, just, you know, like for it to work and I really hope that this is the opportunity, you know, that he wants and that it all works out for him. It seems like he's really enjoying it and really enjoying Chicago and that he has fitting n well with the team. So He's definitely he's a hard worker he's a phenomenal athlete, you know. So I'm just hoping that they played to his drinks and he gets a shot. So last year into season. Three is coming out next week, July twenty, and it's not feature in East Mississippi, as we know. It's feature and Independence Kansas. So are you going to watch that? I will watch it. I'm not going to watch it the next week. You know, I'll be on a little vacation with with my best friends during this time and I'm just I'm not going to I'm going to try to not buy into the hype right off the Bat. You know, I will definitely sit on and watch it at some point. It may take me a while. It's different. It's hard and it's kind of different when you know you were on something and you started it kind of like you were in that beginning group and really kind of hand and making it successful, and sit back and watch it as a bystander. I think it's going to be a little different for me. So I'm not going to force myself to do it. You know, I'm just going to ease myself into it. When I'm ready I'll watch it and yeah, yeah, just so we're you disappointed that East Mississippi wasn't on the third season. You know, you were going to be on it regardless. You know, when I decided to leave there was already there was kind of conversation around me deciding to leave and that kind of sparks conversation of them leaving, and so I kind of knew. You knew early on that they probably weren't going back there and I think I don't know what they would have like. I know everyone loves the SPSISSIPPI and everyone loved the characters, but I mean, if you know, those characters are gone and you know, I don't know. I think I think it was kind of wise of them to get a kind of move the show in a different direction. I don't know what they would have kept getting at a Specisti if they had stay. You know, I think it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see the fans reactions, because I think you do fall in love with the characters in the place and then to move it. You know that. I think that that can be tough and so it'll be interesting next week to see what let the fans say and the reaction and you know, I'm excited to kind of...

...see what what everyone thinks. Yeah, for sure. What about has anybody from independence reach out to you seeking like advice about the show before like they started filming and stuff like that? Yeah, I had a very long conversation like ours a couple of hours back when, when Netflix was still trying to decide, Netflix had narrated down, I think, to like three or four schools that they were trying to decide between, and independence was to have made that final list, and at that point their athletic director, who is a female, reached out to me and we had a very long conversation, ours conversation. She had very some some great questions for me and then I just provided some insight for her and it was a great conversation, long, lengthy, very in detailed, you know, very honest and because I think at the same time, like you know, the shows out there and other schools can look at maybe what it helped East Mississippi with the success of the show, how it helped East Mississippi, but I think there are also some ways that maybe it is hurt East Mississippi, and so I think, you know, there are other schools that were in that running. I think, you know, they were smart to not just be like all in and to say like wait a minute, you know, how do we prepare ourselves for this? Number One, number two, is this a smart move? And you know, she had some questions in that manner of, you know, how do we prepare ourselves? And then what's the downfall going to be like? What are the you know, could this ruin US basically, you know, as an institution? And so I just, you know, I just tried to be really honest with her about what they were getting themselves into. And obviously it's a it's every experience is going to be unique and there's going to be differences just because of location in school and personalities and all that. So I'm not going to pretend to be all knowing at, you know, what they were walking into. But yeah, I definitely tried to provide inside help and I haven't heard from them since. I haven't heard from them since they've been selected and since they filmed. So I don't know, I don't know how it all went, but yeah, yeah, and do you think like a last chance to series could work with any other sports besides football? Yeah, I think it could. I think you know, and there's another series on HBO. I think that all are nothing serious. On Hbo. You know, they started in the NFL, then they went to college football, then they tried they went to like a soccer team and then they went back to the NFL. And I don't know that. Don't think that shows hugely successful or he are popular. That popular? Really? I haven't watched it, so I don't know how good it is. But and and I that made me why they're not as popular is there. They're something around a little bit too much. I think. Once you find a Mitch and and once the fans buy in, I don't know that it's smart to take that same show and start playing with it, I think. I think the mich and the fan is that it's junior college. It's that type. I think it's, you know, junior college athletes. It's a different type of athlete. It's a different type of football player and a lot of the allure, I think, is that there are these division one transfers, you know, there are these fall down stories and then they get back up and and I think that's what the fans are really love. I don't you know, there's not as much of that in other sports. You know, you don't know. There's not as many dropdowns for two for transfers in other sports as there are in football. So I don't know that it would work. I don't know that they should mess with it. I think they found something and they should just keep keep riding. Definitely. So, since you left East Mississippi, started your own company, tenzero pencils. So can tell us a little about that? Yeah, I started it. I you know, I had no idea what I was doing. I just knew that it was time for me to leave PISSIPPI. I had this new platform, I kind of had this this new audience and and I really felt the internal pool to take advantage of it, so to just go for it, and so I left and I...

...have no clue what I was doing, and I still do a lot of days, but I just went for it. And so I started this company and I started it with kind of one vision or goal and it's kind of morphed. It's just been interesting how it's kind of changed itself. So now ten thousand pencils is really a consulting organization. I work ten thousand pencils is working mostly with adults. So I'm finding a lot of administrators teachers, counselors. They are fans of the show and fans of mine because it's what they do every day, you know, it's that they see themselves in me, and so I get a lot of phone calls to work with or speak to, to do a lot of motivational speaking engagements. But I work with these administrators, counselors, teachers on maybe how to be more effective with these types of students. I also do a lot of just motivating like how how to motivate yourself to be the best you can be every day in dealing with these types of students day in and day out, because it is a very thankless job and it is a lot of giving without necessarily receiving anything back. So I think it takes a special person to do it and it takes kind of a special mentality to continue to do it. And so I work a lot in thousand pencils, works a lot with the adults. Like I said, we also have a speaking poor component of it, so I do a lot of speaking of it, which I'd love doing, because that just provides me the opportunity to meet meet the fans and meet people all over the country. Yeah, so that's really what some thousand pencils has morphed into. And then I wanted to try to get back to working with the athletes and some capacity. So we started last chance foundation, which is a foundation that basically scholarships high school seniors football players, only right now, but high school senior football players into into my program. So this year we're only taking on for but we're going to take on for high school senior football players that that I will work with one on one and hire people and training them to work with them as well. So we're starting small with just for to kind of figure it out, figure the kings out, and then we'll grow it from there and hopefully the vision is to hire councilors all over the country that I train and and then we have athletes all over the country that are working with these individuals. No, it's pretty cool. Yeah, it's really exciting. You know, that's kind of what I wanted to do. It's in thousand pencils and it just it just kind of morphed into two separate businesses. So I didn't realize there was going to be so much of the adult I didn't realize that so many features, councilors, administrators were going to want want my input or want my consulting, want my advice. So that's kind of what ten thousand pencils has turned into, and then we've created the others for the athletes. Yeah, for sure. I mean I think a lot of administers and stuff like that, they just a sometimes I don't know how to talk to people regular and I just think got to talk to him at their level and not think you're better than yeah, you definitely have to meet people where they're at. You know, I think I think we in education we seem to be doing what we've always done. You know, we have a Huntry, a hundred year old education system that we're just not really we're not really changing for the generations and you know, I think that they're we can really improve and changeification if we if we would look at, you know, what we're doing, why we're doing it and is it effective, and then if the answers know, then I think we need to change it. And it's excited to see so many, so many administrators and schools across the country that are really buying into that now and and are buying into kind of my message and caring about the whole person and not just not just the data. Yeah, for sure. So you said you do a lot of public speaking events. So where have you been in what's been your favorite spot to go to? I've...

...been everywhere. I feel like. I've been Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Phoenix, Arizona that I just left, Dallas, Texas. I've been to Detroit, Michigan, and I've been all the way up to South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska down I'm going down to Florida, South Florida next couple weeks. So I feel like I have literally been everywhere. It's been great to kind of war the country this way. I'm getting to see a lot of places that I haven't seen before, which is fine. I don't know. You know, I've had a lot of great experiences and great events. I really kind of fell in love with Detroit. I fell in love with the school that I was working with. Their same thing for a school I was working with in Philadelphia. I just really fell in love with that school and those students too. I will say my best trip probably not the flight, because my flight got all messed up and my love it's got lost, but the travel issues. This Dallas trip that I just took was phenomenal. I spoke at a conference called educate Texas in Dallas Texas. They were eight hundred teachers, counselors and administrators in the room and I was the keynote speaker, which I mean it was just an to stand on that stage and look out at eight hundred teachers listening to what I had to say. Was a amazing and humbling experience. And then I did two smaller breakout sessions for them where I really really dived into some specific stuff, you know, that to try to help them with this next school year. It was great to see, to hear their stories and see them. Dakota Allen's middle school teacher was actually at the conference, so she came up afterwards and we cried over the fact that here's she was at this conference I was speaking at. We both knew and Love Dakota. And then I had the opportunity, which was an amazing opportunity, to tour, I had a private tour of the Star Practice Facility for the cowboys and got I spent the whole day there and just got, I mean is amazing to learn about their organization and that the things that they do for their players. And then I got a tour of atnt stadium and I got good or arrangers game and so it was just fun to be in Dallas and get to kind of work but then enjoy. I'm a big Dallas Cowboys Fan, so it was it was an amazing he's great for me, just as on a personal note, to get to do that as well. Yeah, that's what. Did you meet Jerry Jones? I did not meet Jerry Jones. I got to sit in the perch, though, which just this little private he has a they had his family has the Jones like luxury suite at the stadium, but then he has a private little perch and it's only ten people can sit in there. It's usually just him and his sons that are in there and they'll watch part of the game from that, from that perch. I got to sit in the perch, which is super cool and but I did not. I did not meet him. He was not there. They were kind of on vacation. They were in there in between the rookies and not read. Were had not reported yet. They so they were kind of like in between, kind of lit a little break. So I think everyone was pretty much gone when I was there, but it was great. Have you been speaking more a high schools or colleges or Confetas or just everywhere? It has been everywhere. It's been a nice variety. I done a lot of high schools. I've done I've also done a lot of colleges, which has been fun. I love doing the colleges. I've done junior colleges, which I love, and then I've done I've started to just recently started to kind of break into the corporate world. So I've done an event for Cocacola. I spoke to a Cocacola had me in to do a motivating session for their employees. I've done social worker event, event for social workers across the state of Mississippi. I'm doing a big banking event and a couple weeks I'm I'm going actually leave tomorrow to do an event down in Mississippi that is...

...for all the administrators and superintendence of the state of Mississippi. I'll be the key note for that. So yeah, it's interesting when you get a call from you know, like Coca Cola wanting to speak, you're like, well, what do you what you need to say cocacola. But you know, I mean I think the message of the show and the things that I think it's a universal message and you know, relationship building is is something that needs to be down across the board no matter what you're doing, and so I think it is interesting when I get those calls, but that it never fails. I mean every time I go and do an event like that I leave thinking like yeah, that was good. You know, that was good. So coke was fine, Cocacola was fun. Have you been invited to any commit commencement speak choose? It interesting. I kind of thought that that's what I would be doing a lot of and I haven't. I don't know. I'm probably not educated enough. You know, they always like these very prestigious educated people to speak a graduation events. So I'm probably probably to southern and like not smart enough. Oh my God, who about? So you also have your own podcast. Sharp enough? What kind of subjects are you talking about on there? You know, I'm kind of all over the place. That's been really fine. I never thought that I would do that, ever, and when the company it approached me about doing it, I I was like what am I going to talk about? It's been really fun. It's also been really challenging I will say that I think the most challenging thing is actually coming up with topics that I think people want to hear and, yeah, just coming up with like what I'm going to do with the show is going to be. So we are actually at the end. I've got one more episode. I have not been consistent with it here lately, which is my fault and my bad, but it's hard to get it done every week. Yeah, but I have one more episode. I'm going to do a final episode for season one and then that'll wrap up season one of the podcasts and and we're just kind of going to sit I'm not sure when we'll kick off season two. Maybe around football season or we may wait. That will stir. We're just trying to kind of wait it out and see what happens with the season three of the show and then see where we need to go from there. But it's been really fun. We've talked about football, we talked about relationships, we've talked a lot of psychology, some education issues. We also had drew Jabbara, who is the writer for the gq magazine that article that kind of sparked last chance. You had him on just kind of discussing last chance you. I think that was our highest rated show. We had John Franklin on. So Layne Kiffin. We've touched on at a couple kind of hot topic from not I don't want to get all controversy all. I did touch on the Lebron James Shut up and dribble thing. So we've done a couple controversial issues. But yeah, it's just it's kind of it all over the place, but people are listening, so I guess they like all over the place. I don't know. No, I not wide variety of subjects. Yeah, and you know I have a wide variety of fans. Yeah, you know, when we were talking about the podcast, that was one of the things the company that I work with, they were kind of floored when I started running my demographics of like who my fans were, because it's all over the place. I mean it's it's not just men, it's men, it's women, it's not just college students, it's college students and teachers and it's old. I mean it's my range is like from one thousand eighteen to fifty something and it's you know, it's all over the country. It's all there. I have fans and other countries, because Netflix obviously as the worldwide so it's really hard to like pinpoint a nitch, you know,...

...my my demographics or just they're just not very tight, because I had just have all kinds of fans, which I think's great a show. When you can't point your audiences, true if you do good with the bat. Yeah, I love it. So what about have you ever thought about blogging about it for like five minutes? Yeah, it's just really hard to keep all of that up current. I mean, you know, we developed a website a year ago and already like I need to do another one. I mean my website probably at this point needs to be scratched and started. You know, we need to start over. It's not updated, like I don't add stuff to it like I should. I can't do I'm not technologically savvy, so I can't do all that. I really need somebody. I need to hire somebody to just does all my stuff like that for me. You know, I got asked by a fan who had a blog to do a guest blog for her website and that was the first time I had really done it and I was stressed out about it. You know, what am I going to say? What if my writing isn't correct, like you out my punctuation and all this, and and then I just wrote, like I just did it, and after I did it I felt so fulfilled and like it inspired by it and I felt really good about it. And that was then, after that, I thought a TM gonna do a blog on my website and I'll blog about my trips and who I need and my experiences as I travel. YEA, and that didn't happen because it just takes time and I just feel like, you know, there are a lot of days or I don't I don't have the time. Like I have to prioritize and that's just hasn't made the list. Yeah, totally understand. I got a lot of ideas in my head I haven't written or recorded or what not. Yeah, it's time to get it all done. Like even, like I did some blogs, unlike, because people always ask me, like how'd you meet this person? How do you meet that that person, blah, Blah Blah. So I sometimes I do like do it as like a throwback. There'Sday blog and I say like how I met so and so. That's cool. Yeah, I said. I really said blog about my trips. Because, yeah, easing, amazing people and sometimes hilarious things happen or just funny thing. I mean it's just sometimes it's and for one reason I don't want to forget, like I don't want to forget my experiences, so I need to really write them down. But even things of just being in an airport, you know, and you're just stepping out of an airport and like that moment where you've kind of forget you're famous and like you think you're just, you know, I'm just sitting at an airport like a normal person. And then then, so you know, take someone will recognize you and screen from across the airport and run at you and you're like wait, what's happening? And it's just, you know, there's always funny stuff that happens and I should write it down. Yeah, start doing that. Yeah, I used to actually write down where I did, like every day. Yeah, just like a little snoop it, just to remember what I did that day. Yeah, that's a good idea. I mean, I really there's been so many experiences the last few years and I've already you just start forgetting stuff. You know you are. I'm already starting to forget experiences and people and like, and that's not good. You know you. I need to really remember all of this because it's been an amazing experience. Yeah, are one one question and then I got some fun questions. Okay. So what are your future goals and you have any future projects in the worksh my gosh, I have so many. Actually, am I to do list right now. We're going to go read it to you. It's it's my second item on my to do list is to write out my plan, because I have all these ideas and I have all these sheets of paper with like my goals and my ideas and I'm like, I am I'm gonna get a poster word out and I'm fixing to put all of this out on one paper. Yeah, for the future, I mean I you know, tenzero pencils is going great. The consulting...

...and speaking engagements are going great. I really don't know that a whole lot needs to be tweaked on that. I really want to get last dance foundation and I've been going really, really well being my goal for the future of that is to for it to explode. I mean honestly, like I want a building with you know that I have an office in and I want to have employees and I want to have counselors all over the country that kind of goes through this counselor training program where we're training them. And then I want to have athletes all over the country that we're working with and helping free of charge to them. They were honestly just doing good work and we're not expecting anything in return. There's their strings attached for these athletes and you know, I want us to see the fruits of our labor for five, six years down the road. That's really my goal and vision for that. I you know, I want to get my website up and my website fixed and really kind of have a way for fans and people who benefit from what I'm doing to connect with me better. I feel like there's they don't other than just emailing me. There's not a great way for people to connect with me and I want to be able to connect with those people that are supporting me in a better way. Merchandising is kind of on the list. There's I am in the middle of negotiating a TV contract with a certain celebrity I can't really mention right now. That for a scripted TV show that is hopefully going to be done about me and then their future. So all of that is going on. You know, there's just a lot, a lot of ideas. After being with the cowboys for a day, there's kind of been some some ideas flowing around about me starting to work maybe with some NFL rookies, and so you know that's out there. There's just there's there's a lot of stuff that I a big plan and a lot of goals for the future. Yeah. So actually random question. How did you come up with the name tenzero pencils? You know, I mean you have a pencil line everybody. That was kind of the thing that my brand, I guess, the thing that stuck with me. And I had read a book outliers by Malcolm Gladwell, and he talked about ten thousand hours of effort. You know, my thing was ten thousand pencils and I really felt like some thousand pencils with symbolic of the athletes that I've worked with along the way and then also like the hours of effort. I mean that the every you know, I look at pencils of kind of symbolic of opportunity, symbolic of effort and it. You know, it takes a lot of opportunity and a lot of effort. It takes taking advantage of opportunity in order to create your path and your outcome. And I just kind of pencils with my thing and I tied that in with the tenzero hours of effort and drew Jabara actually was the one that came up with it. We tossed around ideas and he was the one that actually kind of finalized like the whole ten thousand pencils things and then we passed me. We did the ten KP for to make it shorter. And Yeah, it just kind of developed over time that the fans of the show are the ones that really started the whole pencil thing. Yeah, how many pencils would you give out? I've received over four thousand pencils from fans all over the world. I've given most of them away. They're just normal like yellow pencils. Of giving most of them away, I would love to get my own like pencil wine. I think that would be fun. And now I'm doing a thing. When I go speak, I do a whole speech about where I talk about rubber bands and I talked about the power positive thinking and changing your thoughts, changing, you know, changing your attitudes. And so I wear a rubber band around my wrist and every time that I get into a negative mindset or I pop myself with that rubber band and when I invoke physical pay myself and I will quickly make you know, that will remind me and change your thoughts. Change it now. And so I do that. I kind of...

...give that speech certain groups. And so now I've been asked if I have rubber bands for so that have like a motivational message. So I'm thinking about that. I'm like, okay, need I need to get some rubber bands and put some, you know, encouraging words on them and maybe start handing those out of these conferences or so, yeah, pencils and rubber bands, I guess will be. I say, yeah, actually, yeah, I'm just listening to the your last podcast about that. Yeah, so people I ask all the time now like do you have any rubber band so that I can buy or whatever? Thanks. It's not the other pencil anymore pencil. So No. What about no, like pencil brands reach out to you like Collab or something. No. I find so weird because you don't which you don't see a lot of pencil marketing. I guess pencil companies don't really felt the need to market themselves. Maybe, but I find it's so strange that I haven't been reached out to you by Taekwondo Roger or a Pencil Company. Dick, I've actually reached out to I've had people on my behalf and I have actually reached out to them. It's my understanding that Lee Corso is a founder or on the board or something of one of the big pencil companies, and so I thought, okay, there's my tie in, but now I haven't. I mean I think we could get a huge pencil thing going. Yeah, just you know, there was a rebirth of pencils. I could leave the start, but I have not been contacted. You gotta get on a pencil commercial too, exactly. Yeah, actually, well, bick is right here where I'm at in Connecticut asolutely. Yeah, they're missing an opportunity. Yeah, for sure. How do you feel about social media? You know, I was not a big social media person before the show and that was a conversation that Netflix had with me right before the show came out. They had a PR person that sat down with me. I was like okay, we need to discuss some social media and I just didn't really had I didn't do a whole lot on it. All my accounts for private. I just wasn't a big I'm not a big owne person in general, so I just wasn't a big social media person and obviously now that has changed. I think it is beneficial in a lot of ways. I love that it connects people from all over. I think that is special, unique and a fantastic thing that I can be connected with someone who I've never met, you know, all the way and Wisconsin, through this APP on my phone. I think that's amazing and I love that. I also think, though, that, just like anything, we have become consumed with it and it's starting to I think it's starting to negatively affect young people there. They're valuing themselves and like their self worth one how many lights they get or how many followers they have, and I think when when you start, just like anything, you know too much is too much of it is a bad, bad thing, and so I think again we need to maybe step back and find some balance in with social media, because it's a little scary. You know that what it could become if we don't check ourselves for sure. So I got a semi political question for you. Okay, so do you think college athletes should get paid, or do you think the sky dochlarship is good enough, if they get one? Yeah, no, I don't think the scholarships are good enough. I do think that we should figure out a way to compensate them in some way. You know, I think the days of the scholarship being enough for over. I think college football especially and men's basketball have exploded to a level that was maybe not planned for, and there's it's you know, it's all about the money and it UN be contracts, and I think the...

...athletes are the ones that are losing out on the deal these days and I don't think that's fair. I think that there are a lot of people with a lot of degrees who are very smart and intelligent sitting behind decisionmaking tables within then Saa, and I think they can figure it out if they wanted to. I don't think they want to because it takes the money away from them, which I think is wrong. Yeah, but do you think like all levels should get paid? I do. I think that that's a tough thing to figure out and I do understand the dilemma. And if you're going to pay you know Jameis Winston? How do you know? Based on his his success or HIS JERSEY? So how do you pay this softball player over here who you know? I get, I get the dilemma and that, but there has to be a solution somewhere that is better than what we're doing now. And I don't know that the solution we find to day will be the end all be y'all greatest solution, but I think you have like we can take baby steps until we do find the answer. I think anything is better than what we're doing now. To me, when you have a player who I don't know, I can't even pick a name, but you have a player who's maybe from, you know, Texas, and he's playing and Florida and he's the quarterback and he's driving your team and you know that hit, you're selling his Jersey in the book store for ninety dollars a pop and you're selling out your Ninetyzero Dollar Stadium, Ninety Thousand Stadium, basically because he's winning and his parents can't afford to come to his game good and we can't fly them in. We have a problem. That's a problem like that is not that is not okay, you know. Or when this kid can't pay his rent or he's not eating three meals a day or he's not getting the support mentally emotionally that he psychologically that he should get as a human being, that's wrong. There's a problem there and I just I don't know how people who are not invested in fixing the problem can live with themselves, because to me that is just it's just wrong on every level. Did you know who love our ball is? I know the name. Yeah, so he just started his own basketball league for, I guess, High School. I think it's seventeen to nineteen year olds. So they don't have to go to college and they'll get paid to play in that league instead of going to college for one year. Okay, yeah, well, and there's a football league starting up that's gonna do this similar things. I think people are starting to test the NCAA and these professional organizations, which I'm all for, like let's it's let's do something. I think it better than nothing. Yeah, I think in general, like probably within the next like fifty years, like colleges are going to decrease. Like I think college room shut down. I don't know that. I love that. Education is important and I do think that college athletics started out it was a balance, you know, it was a way for people maybe to go to college that couldn't afford to go to otherwise, and they were getting two things out of it. They were getting a great education and they were able to play their sport, and I think that's a beautiful thing and I don't know that I want the education to be completely taken out of it, but we we've got to the point where we're not valuing the air station and we're using the player and we didn't everything we're saying. But they're getting an education, but are they? I mean, like I think, you know, I think there's got to be a different solution and I want education to be a part of the solution. But we can't just stand there with our arms crossed, you know, doing what we've always done and thinking that it's okay when somebody is making millions of dollars all of these players whose parents can't even watch them play. We just have to fix it. And Yeah, yeah, definitely. It's also crazy that the coach that they're...

...playing for is most likely a millionaire. Yeah, contracts or little out of control. It seems like administrators, athletic directors now aren't they have no power control. They're just working for the coach. And you know, yeah, I mean it's a lot to fix, but it's fixable. I think it has to start from the top and somebody has to say and that is enough, we're not doing this anymore. And who when that person? You know, whoever got brave soul is, I will stand behind maybe, maybe be you at and you go to the NCAA office. All right. Well, I think that's all the questions I got. No thanks. Thank you. I want to I appreciate you coming on the show and if you want to tell people where they could find you on social media, twitter and instagram handle or the same. So it's at Brittany underscore MS girl. Ms Is in Mississippi. So at Brittany underscore MS girl is my twitter and instagram following name and then I have a facebook sand page. Also have a website for you. HECOM Gotcha. Thank you. Thank you.

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