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Brittany Wagner | Average to Savage EP5

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This is the fifth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring Brittany Wagner. Paul Guarino talked with Netflix’s Last Chance U star Brittany Wagner discussing her rise to fame, starting her own company 10 Thousand Pencils, and her take on education regarding student-athletes. Follow Brittany Wagner https://twitter.com/Brittany_MSgirl https://instagram.com/Brittany_MSgirl https://www.facebook.com/officialbrittanywagner/ https://brittanywagner.com/ Powered by Trimino Protein Infused Water http://drinktrimino.com/ -- PG Sports is a digital sports brand that has been Everywhere & Anywhere since 2011. With a rapidly growing social network, we are dedicated to designing fresh apparel, breaking sports news, and connecting athletes to fans! ---- Follow Us Online Here: Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/pgsports Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pgsportsct Snapchat: http://www.snapchat.com/add/pgsports Website: http://www.pg-sports.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pgsports

This is the average to savage podcastwith Paul Greno everyone in anyone, athletes, sweats and much more. What's up, everybody. It's a fifth episode of the average Sabout podcast. Igot another special guest with me today, Britney Wagner from last chance. You. How's it going, Bernie? Good? How are you good? Good,good. So could you give us a brief introduction to yourself? Wow, this is Britney Wagner. I am the counselor from last chance to seasonsone and two, which is how most people know me. I guess Ibolso worked in college athletics prior to filming the show for probably about fifteen yearsas an in several different roles, but primarily as an athletic academic counselor,and I'm now the founder of ten thousand pencils and the last chance foundation,basically doing the same thing that I was doing on the show. We justnot working for institution anymore, working for myself instead. Gotcha, Gotcha,Gotcha. Yeah, so you were on season one and two of last yance. So what was it like being on the show and what was it likebecoming one of the stars of the show? I mean filming the show. LikeI really didn't know. Season two is definitely different from season one,but season one I really didn't know what I was getting myself into. Imean, I've never been on a TV show. I've never been around likefilming early of anything, so I don't know that I fully understood like whatwas about to happen. It was fine and I mean there were definitely momentsof fun and it was exciting just to be to know, you know,that they were filming, that they cared and that they were filming my workand my job and I love the crew, the guys that the cameramant men andsound techs and producers, and I really liked them. So I thinkthat was really important. I enjoyed being around them on a daily basis.So that was kind of fun, just having, you know, those differentpersonalities around and people around in my office and stuff. That was kind offun at times. And then, you know, you do it for awhile and it's fun and it's exciting and it's new and then, you know, I don't know, about a couple months in, you're like Oh,every day and the follow me everywhere and you know, I mean you definitelyhave your moments where you just want everyone to go away and you know,in your moments where you're questioning, like oh my gosh, are people goingto like me? Is this gonna Be Successful? Like what, what amI doing? You know, why did I agree to this? I mean, I think you're kind of all over the place when you're filming something likethat, and I had no idea that it would be that the show itselfwould be as successful as it has been, and I definitely had no idea thatI would be, you know, quote unquote, the Star of anever expected that. So it was weird when the cameras are phoning you wereup. Yeah, I mean it's weird. It's weird to you know you're justwould like I look, get up from my desk and you try.I tried really hard to just be myself and do my normal routine, butI mean it is we it's weird when you get up from your desk andyou're just walking to the admissions office to ask the question and five people arefollowing you. You know for years are going to eat the cafeteria and you'resitting down with coaches or a friend to eat and cameras are filming you putputting every boy of the you know, greasy hamburger in your mouth and sayit's just odd. And they came to my house and films me. Itdidn't really make the show, but I mean they filmed me kind of goingabout my daily routine with Kennedy, like on a Saturday and Sunday, andthat's weird. You know. I remember going to a Pumpkin patch with herto pick out like our Halloween pumpkin and getting out of the car and likesix people jump out of white fans and you know, and they're following meto the Pumpkin Patch and all the people that are working at this Pumpkin patsare looking at me like what, like what is going on? To Areyou? That's weird. You know,...

...it's weird for everybody. It's uncomfortable. You try to play it off and just be as normal as possible,but it's not. It's not normal to be followed around with cameras, youknow, every second of your life. Yeah, for sure. So wouldyou say season one was more raw than season two? I think it wouldbe unsayer to pretend like it wasn't. I mean, you know, Ido think season two is still real and I think we were all really thatthat happened and it was genuine and we were being ourselves. But I thinkit would be unfair to say that just the success of season one didn't alterseason two. I mean it was definitely harder. I do feel like therewere some guys on the team that maybe just came to East Sissippi to befamous and that was a little bit harder to deal with. Just the personalitiesof season two and you just you know, you have your moments where. Well, with season two, I mean I was dealing with people don't realizethe mean season one came out in July. We started school in August, sothe guys reported in August. We're starting a whole nother group, awhole another season, a whole other year, and we're filming season two and ontop of all of that I'm being bombarded with interview requests, you know, business opportunities, just all kinds of people want to driving to scuba justto take the picture of me. I mean, Guy's the point where Icouldn't answer my phone. I was getting hundreds of emails a day. SoI think there was just a lot going on in the filming of season twothat maybe, you know, fans don't really know about, and a lotof it was just because of the success of season one, for sure.So do you still keep in contact with players from the East Mississippi? Yeah, I do. I mean I think we're all, you know, people. We have our own lives and we all definitely, you know, we'retwo years out from season one and so we fought. I think we've allkind of moved on in a way and we all kind of have our ownthings going on. But I definitely keep up with a lot of the guys, even before we started filming the show, guys that you didn't see on theshow. I key I keep in contact with because I've just that's justkind of what I've always done. But I talked to John Franklin quite abit, Ali Dakota from season two every now and then. You know,Tim Bonner and Chauncy and I'll so, yeah, the ones that you sawme close to and season one and season two I still communicate with. Yeah, actually, I think you would be cool. I don't know if it'spossible, if they could do it, if it was like, you know, like the season comes out with the season after. Yeah, it wouldbe cool if it was like live, but I obviously would be hard forlike editing and production and stuff like that. Yeah, you know, one thingthat I think would be interesting if they would do it, is toget us all on us like all in the same room together and show clipsand let us just sit around talk about it, because they do their waythe shows. I should do that. Yeah, I think it would bereally fun because one thing, you know, the show came out and by thetime it came out we were all gone from each other. So meanthe players had moved on. You know, I was still there, obviously,after season one, but I mean we saw the show and we neverwe were never around each other again to talk about it, and is soto this day we have not all sat down in a room and discussed ourthoughts. are like the funny things that happened before or after a scene thatdidn't get caught on camera or you know, we haven't been able to sit downin a room and discuss what we think about the show with each other, which I think that would be a very interesting conversation because I think weall kind of have differing ideas and opinions and I definitely seen Netflix do thatwith other shows and have the talks and quite cute and age and stuff likethat. Yeah, I don't know why they haven't. They said definitely dothat. Yeah, I do think in season three there is like the whereare they now episode, so I am told, which you know, we'reall in it. They came back and...

...filmed all of us, but it'sdefinately and so, yeah, it'd be cool to get us all together.Yeah. So how about isn't it crazy that's some of the guys are nowmaking it into the NFL from season one end too, mostly season one,I think. Yeah, it's I have twelve guys in the NFL that I'veworked with from ESSISSIPPI, so that's not a new thing for me. Imean every year I get usually at least one player that is somehow on ateam, and so it's always exciting for all of them. It's to youknow, I guess the fans get all excited about it because they they knowthe players from last Yanti, but now very excited for John and his opportunitywith the bears. And then Ceja Rivas was another season. One guy wasa free agent signy with Jacksonville. Jagguiers, I believe, and I think wehad a third. I'm losing my mind economent, but yeah, wehad several from season one season two. Guys haven't really they're still playing.So most of them are in their seeing will be playing their senior year ontheir college teams this year. Deandre, I believe, has a two moreyears, so we'll still have him at Florida Atlantic for a little bit longer. But yeah, I love watching them all be successful at whatever they usedto do. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I was going to sayJohn Franklin's journey been crazy since you went to Florida state, then Mississippi,then Mississippi in Auburn as a quarterback, then wide receiver as a floor Atlanticand now he signed with Chicago as a defensive player. Yeah, I'm readyfor him to just like I want peace for him, just, you know, like for it to work and I really hope that this is the opportunity, you know, that he wants and that it all works out for him. It seems like he's really enjoying it and really enjoying Chicago and that hehas fitting n well with the team. So He's definitely he's a hard workerhe's a phenomenal athlete, you know. So I'm just hoping that they playedto his drinks and he gets a shot. So last year into season. Threeis coming out next week, July twenty, and it's not feature inEast Mississippi, as we know. It's feature and Independence Kansas. So areyou going to watch that? I will watch it. I'm not going towatch it the next week. You know, I'll be on a little vacation withwith my best friends during this time and I'm just I'm not going toI'm going to try to not buy into the hype right off the Bat.You know, I will definitely sit on and watch it at some point.It may take me a while. It's different. It's hard and it's kindof different when you know you were on something and you started it kind oflike you were in that beginning group and really kind of hand and making itsuccessful, and sit back and watch it as a bystander. I think it'sgoing to be a little different for me. So I'm not going to force myselfto do it. You know, I'm just going to ease myself intoit. When I'm ready I'll watch it and yeah, yeah, just sowe're you disappointed that East Mississippi wasn't on the third season. You know,you were going to be on it regardless. You know, when I decided toleave there was already there was kind of conversation around me deciding to leaveand that kind of sparks conversation of them leaving, and so I kind ofknew. You knew early on that they probably weren't going back there and Ithink I don't know what they would have like. I know everyone loves theSPSISSIPPI and everyone loved the characters, but I mean, if you know,those characters are gone and you know, I don't know. I think Ithink it was kind of wise of them to get a kind of move theshow in a different direction. I don't know what they would have kept gettingat a Specisti if they had stay. You know, I think it'll beinteresting. It'll be interesting to see the fans reactions, because I think youdo fall in love with the characters in the place and then to move it. You know that. I think that that can be tough and so it'llbe interesting next week to see what let the fans say and the reaction andyou know, I'm excited to kind of...

...see what what everyone thinks. Yeah, for sure. What about has anybody from independence reach out to you seekinglike advice about the show before like they started filming and stuff like that?Yeah, I had a very long conversation like ours a couple of hours backwhen, when Netflix was still trying to decide, Netflix had narrated down,I think, to like three or four schools that they were trying to decidebetween, and independence was to have made that final list, and at thatpoint their athletic director, who is a female, reached out to me andwe had a very long conversation, ours conversation. She had very some somegreat questions for me and then I just provided some insight for her and itwas a great conversation, long, lengthy, very in detailed, you know,very honest and because I think at the same time, like you know, the shows out there and other schools can look at maybe what it helpedEast Mississippi with the success of the show, how it helped East Mississippi, butI think there are also some ways that maybe it is hurt East Mississippi, and so I think, you know, there are other schools that were inthat running. I think, you know, they were smart to notjust be like all in and to say like wait a minute, you know, how do we prepare ourselves for this? Number One, number two, isthis a smart move? And you know, she had some questions inthat manner of, you know, how do we prepare ourselves? And thenwhat's the downfall going to be like? What are the you know, couldthis ruin US basically, you know, as an institution? And so Ijust, you know, I just tried to be really honest with her aboutwhat they were getting themselves into. And obviously it's a it's every experience isgoing to be unique and there's going to be differences just because of location inschool and personalities and all that. So I'm not going to pretend to beall knowing at, you know, what they were walking into. But yeah, I definitely tried to provide inside help and I haven't heard from them since. I haven't heard from them since they've been selected and since they filmed.So I don't know, I don't know how it all went, but yeah, yeah, and do you think like a last chance to series could workwith any other sports besides football? Yeah, I think it could. I thinkyou know, and there's another series on HBO. I think that allare nothing serious. On Hbo. You know, they started in the NFL, then they went to college football, then they tried they went to likea soccer team and then they went back to the NFL. And I don'tknow that. Don't think that shows hugely successful or he are popular. Thatpopular? Really? I haven't watched it, so I don't know how good itis. But and and I that made me why they're not as popularis there. They're something around a little bit too much. I think.Once you find a Mitch and and once the fans buy in, I don'tknow that it's smart to take that same show and start playing with it,I think. I think the mich and the fan is that it's junior college. It's that type. I think it's, you know, junior college athletes.It's a different type of athlete. It's a different type of football playerand a lot of the allure, I think, is that there are thesedivision one transfers, you know, there are these fall down stories and thenthey get back up and and I think that's what the fans are really love. I don't you know, there's not as much of that in other sports. You know, you don't know. There's not as many dropdowns for twofor transfers in other sports as there are in football. So I don't knowthat it would work. I don't know that they should mess with it.I think they found something and they should just keep keep riding. Definitely.So, since you left East Mississippi, started your own company, tenzero pencils. So can tell us a little about that? Yeah, I started it. I you know, I had no idea what I was doing. Ijust knew that it was time for me to leave PISSIPPI. I had thisnew platform, I kind of had this this new audience and and I reallyfelt the internal pool to take advantage of it, so to just go forit, and so I left and I...

...have no clue what I was doing, and I still do a lot of days, but I just went forit. And so I started this company and I started it with kind ofone vision or goal and it's kind of morphed. It's just been interesting howit's kind of changed itself. So now ten thousand pencils is really a consultingorganization. I work ten thousand pencils is working mostly with adults. So I'mfinding a lot of administrators teachers, counselors. They are fans of the show andfans of mine because it's what they do every day, you know,it's that they see themselves in me, and so I get a lot ofphone calls to work with or speak to, to do a lot of motivational speakingengagements. But I work with these administrators, counselors, teachers on maybehow to be more effective with these types of students. I also do alot of just motivating like how how to motivate yourself to be the best youcan be every day in dealing with these types of students day in and dayout, because it is a very thankless job and it is a lot ofgiving without necessarily receiving anything back. So I think it takes a special personto do it and it takes kind of a special mentality to continue to doit. And so I work a lot in thousand pencils, works a lotwith the adults. Like I said, we also have a speaking poor componentof it, so I do a lot of speaking of it, which I'dlove doing, because that just provides me the opportunity to meet meet the fansand meet people all over the country. Yeah, so that's really what somethousand pencils has morphed into. And then I wanted to try to get backto working with the athletes and some capacity. So we started last chance foundation,which is a foundation that basically scholarships high school seniors football players, onlyright now, but high school senior football players into into my program. Sothis year we're only taking on for but we're going to take on for highschool senior football players that that I will work with one on one and hirepeople and training them to work with them as well. So we're starting smallwith just for to kind of figure it out, figure the kings out,and then we'll grow it from there and hopefully the vision is to hire councilorsall over the country that I train and and then we have athletes all overthe country that are working with these individuals. No, it's pretty cool. Yeah, it's really exciting. You know, that's kind of what I wanted todo. It's in thousand pencils and it just it just kind of morphedinto two separate businesses. So I didn't realize there was going to be somuch of the adult I didn't realize that so many features, councilors, administratorswere going to want want my input or want my consulting, want my advice. So that's kind of what ten thousand pencils has turned into, and thenwe've created the others for the athletes. Yeah, for sure. I meanI think a lot of administers and stuff like that, they just a sometimesI don't know how to talk to people regular and I just think got totalk to him at their level and not think you're better than yeah, youdefinitely have to meet people where they're at. You know, I think I thinkwe in education we seem to be doing what we've always done. Youknow, we have a Huntry, a hundred year old education system that we'rejust not really we're not really changing for the generations and you know, Ithink that they're we can really improve and changeification if we if we would lookat, you know, what we're doing, why we're doing it and is iteffective, and then if the answers know, then I think we needto change it. And it's excited to see so many, so many administratorsand schools across the country that are really buying into that now and and arebuying into kind of my message and caring about the whole person and not justnot just the data. Yeah, for sure. So you said you doa lot of public speaking events. So where have you been in what's beenyour favorite spot to go to? I've...

...been everywhere. I feel like.I've been Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Phoenix, Arizona that I just left, Dallas, Texas. I've been to Detroit, Michigan, and I've been all theway up to South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska down I'm going down to Florida, South Florida next couple weeks. So I feel like I have literally beeneverywhere. It's been great to kind of war the country this way. I'mgetting to see a lot of places that I haven't seen before, which isfine. I don't know. You know, I've had a lot of great experiencesand great events. I really kind of fell in love with Detroit.I fell in love with the school that I was working with. Their samething for a school I was working with in Philadelphia. I just really fellin love with that school and those students too. I will say my besttrip probably not the flight, because my flight got all messed up and mylove it's got lost, but the travel issues. This Dallas trip that Ijust took was phenomenal. I spoke at a conference called educate Texas in DallasTexas. They were eight hundred teachers, counselors and administrators in the room andI was the keynote speaker, which I mean it was just an to standon that stage and look out at eight hundred teachers listening to what I hadto say. Was a amazing and humbling experience. And then I did twosmaller breakout sessions for them where I really really dived into some specific stuff,you know, that to try to help them with this next school year.It was great to see, to hear their stories and see them. DakotaAllen's middle school teacher was actually at the conference, so she came up afterwardsand we cried over the fact that here's she was at this conference I wasspeaking at. We both knew and Love Dakota. And then I had theopportunity, which was an amazing opportunity, to tour, I had a privatetour of the Star Practice Facility for the cowboys and got I spent the wholeday there and just got, I mean is amazing to learn about their organizationand that the things that they do for their players. And then I gota tour of atnt stadium and I got good or arrangers game and so itwas just fun to be in Dallas and get to kind of work but thenenjoy. I'm a big Dallas Cowboys Fan, so it was it was an amazinghe's great for me, just as on a personal note, to getto do that as well. Yeah, that's what. Did you meet JerryJones? I did not meet Jerry Jones. I got to sit in the perch, though, which just this little private he has a they had hisfamily has the Jones like luxury suite at the stadium, but then he hasa private little perch and it's only ten people can sit in there. It'susually just him and his sons that are in there and they'll watch part ofthe game from that, from that perch. I got to sit in the perch, which is super cool and but I did not. I did notmeet him. He was not there. They were kind of on vacation.They were in there in between the rookies and not read. Were had notreported yet. They so they were kind of like in between, kind oflit a little break. So I think everyone was pretty much gone when Iwas there, but it was great. Have you been speaking more a highschools or colleges or Confetas or just everywhere? It has been everywhere. It's beena nice variety. I done a lot of high schools. I've doneI've also done a lot of colleges, which has been fun. I lovedoing the colleges. I've done junior colleges, which I love, and then I'vedone I've started to just recently started to kind of break into the corporateworld. So I've done an event for Cocacola. I spoke to a Cocacolahad me in to do a motivating session for their employees. I've done socialworker event, event for social workers across the state of Mississippi. I'm doinga big banking event and a couple weeks I'm I'm going actually leave tomorrow todo an event down in Mississippi that is...

...for all the administrators and superintendence ofthe state of Mississippi. I'll be the key note for that. So yeah, it's interesting when you get a call from you know, like Coca Colawanting to speak, you're like, well, what do you what you need tosay cocacola. But you know, I mean I think the message ofthe show and the things that I think it's a universal message and you know, relationship building is is something that needs to be down across the board nomatter what you're doing, and so I think it is interesting when I getthose calls, but that it never fails. I mean every time I go anddo an event like that I leave thinking like yeah, that was good. You know, that was good. So coke was fine, Cocacola wasfun. Have you been invited to any commit commencement speak choose? It interesting. I kind of thought that that's what I would be doing a lot ofand I haven't. I don't know. I'm probably not educated enough. Youknow, they always like these very prestigious educated people to speak a graduation events. So I'm probably probably to southern and like not smart enough. Oh myGod, who about? So you also have your own podcast. Sharp enough? What kind of subjects are you talking about on there? You know,I'm kind of all over the place. That's been really fine. I neverthought that I would do that, ever, and when the company it approached meabout doing it, I I was like what am I going to talkabout? It's been really fun. It's also been really challenging I will saythat I think the most challenging thing is actually coming up with topics that Ithink people want to hear and, yeah, just coming up with like what I'mgoing to do with the show is going to be. So we areactually at the end. I've got one more episode. I have not beenconsistent with it here lately, which is my fault and my bad, butit's hard to get it done every week. Yeah, but I have one moreepisode. I'm going to do a final episode for season one and thenthat'll wrap up season one of the podcasts and and we're just kind of goingto sit I'm not sure when we'll kick off season two. Maybe around footballseason or we may wait. That will stir. We're just trying to kindof wait it out and see what happens with the season three of the showand then see where we need to go from there. But it's been reallyfun. We've talked about football, we talked about relationships, we've talked alot of psychology, some education issues. We also had drew Jabbara, whois the writer for the gq magazine that article that kind of sparked last chance. You had him on just kind of discussing last chance you. I thinkthat was our highest rated show. We had John Franklin on. So LayneKiffin. We've touched on at a couple kind of hot topic from not Idon't want to get all controversy all. I did touch on the Lebron JamesShut up and dribble thing. So we've done a couple controversial issues. Butyeah, it's just it's kind of it all over the place, but peopleare listening, so I guess they like all over the place. I don'tknow. No, I not wide variety of subjects. Yeah, and youknow I have a wide variety of fans. Yeah, you know, when wewere talking about the podcast, that was one of the things the companythat I work with, they were kind of floored when I started running mydemographics of like who my fans were, because it's all over the place.I mean it's it's not just men, it's men, it's women, it'snot just college students, it's college students and teachers and it's old. Imean it's my range is like from one thousand eighteen to fifty something and it'syou know, it's all over the country. It's all there. I have fansand other countries, because Netflix obviously as the worldwide so it's really hardto like pinpoint a nitch, you know,...

...my my demographics or just they're justnot very tight, because I had just have all kinds of fans,which I think's great a show. When you can't point your audiences, trueif you do good with the bat. Yeah, I love it. Sowhat about have you ever thought about blogging about it for like five minutes?Yeah, it's just really hard to keep all of that up current. Imean, you know, we developed a website a year ago and already likeI need to do another one. I mean my website probably at this pointneeds to be scratched and started. You know, we need to start over. It's not updated, like I don't add stuff to it like I should. I can't do I'm not technologically savvy, so I can't do all that.I really need somebody. I need to hire somebody to just does allmy stuff like that for me. You know, I got asked by afan who had a blog to do a guest blog for her website and thatwas the first time I had really done it and I was stressed out aboutit. You know, what am I going to say? What if mywriting isn't correct, like you out my punctuation and all this, and andthen I just wrote, like I just did it, and after I didit I felt so fulfilled and like it inspired by it and I felt reallygood about it. And that was then, after that, I thought a TMgonna do a blog on my website and I'll blog about my trips andwho I need and my experiences as I travel. YEA, and that didn'thappen because it just takes time and I just feel like, you know,there are a lot of days or I don't I don't have the time.Like I have to prioritize and that's just hasn't made the list. Yeah,totally understand. I got a lot of ideas in my head I haven't writtenor recorded or what not. Yeah, it's time to get it all done. Like even, like I did some blogs, unlike, because people alwaysask me, like how'd you meet this person? How do you meet thatthat person, blah, Blah Blah. So I sometimes I do like doit as like a throwback. There'Sday blog and I say like how I metso and so. That's cool. Yeah, I said. I really said blogabout my trips. Because, yeah, easing, amazing people and sometimes hilariousthings happen or just funny thing. I mean it's just sometimes it's andfor one reason I don't want to forget, like I don't want to forget myexperiences, so I need to really write them down. But even thingsof just being in an airport, you know, and you're just stepping outof an airport and like that moment where you've kind of forget you're famous andlike you think you're just, you know, I'm just sitting at an airport likea normal person. And then then, so you know, take someone willrecognize you and screen from across the airport and run at you and you'relike wait, what's happening? And it's just, you know, there's alwaysfunny stuff that happens and I should write it down. Yeah, start doingthat. Yeah, I used to actually write down where I did, likeevery day. Yeah, just like a little snoop it, just to rememberwhat I did that day. Yeah, that's a good idea. I mean, I really there's been so many experiences the last few years and I've alreadyyou just start forgetting stuff. You know you are. I'm already starting toforget experiences and people and like, and that's not good. You know you. I need to really remember all of this because it's been an amazing experience. Yeah, are one one question and then I got some fun questions.Okay. So what are your future goals and you have any future projects inthe worksh my gosh, I have so many. Actually, am I todo list right now. We're going to go read it to you. It'sit's my second item on my to do list is to write out my plan, because I have all these ideas and I have all these sheets of paperwith like my goals and my ideas and I'm like, I am I'm gonnaget a poster word out and I'm fixing to put all of this out onone paper. Yeah, for the future, I mean I you know, tenzeropencils is going great. The consulting...

...and speaking engagements are going great.I really don't know that a whole lot needs to be tweaked on that.I really want to get last dance foundation and I've been going really, reallywell being my goal for the future of that is to for it to explode. I mean honestly, like I want a building with you know that Ihave an office in and I want to have employees and I want to havecounselors all over the country that kind of goes through this counselor training program wherewe're training them. And then I want to have athletes all over the countrythat we're working with and helping free of charge to them. They were honestlyjust doing good work and we're not expecting anything in return. There's their stringsattached for these athletes and you know, I want us to see the fruitsof our labor for five, six years down the road. That's really mygoal and vision for that. I you know, I want to get mywebsite up and my website fixed and really kind of have a way for fansand people who benefit from what I'm doing to connect with me better. Ifeel like there's they don't other than just emailing me. There's not a greatway for people to connect with me and I want to be able to connectwith those people that are supporting me in a better way. Merchandising is kindof on the list. There's I am in the middle of negotiating a TVcontract with a certain celebrity I can't really mention right now. That for ascripted TV show that is hopefully going to be done about me and then theirfuture. So all of that is going on. You know, there's justa lot, a lot of ideas. After being with the cowboys for aday, there's kind of been some some ideas flowing around about me starting towork maybe with some NFL rookies, and so you know that's out there.There's just there's there's a lot of stuff that I a big plan and alot of goals for the future. Yeah. So actually random question. How didyou come up with the name tenzero pencils? You know, I meanyou have a pencil line everybody. That was kind of the thing that mybrand, I guess, the thing that stuck with me. And I hadread a book outliers by Malcolm Gladwell, and he talked about ten thousand hoursof effort. You know, my thing was ten thousand pencils and I reallyfelt like some thousand pencils with symbolic of the athletes that I've worked with alongthe way and then also like the hours of effort. I mean that theevery you know, I look at pencils of kind of symbolic of opportunity,symbolic of effort and it. You know, it takes a lot of opportunity anda lot of effort. It takes taking advantage of opportunity in order tocreate your path and your outcome. And I just kind of pencils with mything and I tied that in with the tenzero hours of effort and drew Jabaraactually was the one that came up with it. We tossed around ideas andhe was the one that actually kind of finalized like the whole ten thousand pencilsthings and then we passed me. We did the ten KP for to makeit shorter. And Yeah, it just kind of developed over time that thefans of the show are the ones that really started the whole pencil thing.Yeah, how many pencils would you give out? I've received over four thousandpencils from fans all over the world. I've given most of them away.They're just normal like yellow pencils. Of giving most of them away, Iwould love to get my own like pencil wine. I think that would befun. And now I'm doing a thing. When I go speak, I doa whole speech about where I talk about rubber bands and I talked aboutthe power positive thinking and changing your thoughts, changing, you know, changing yourattitudes. And so I wear a rubber band around my wrist and everytime that I get into a negative mindset or I pop myself with that rubberband and when I invoke physical pay myself and I will quickly make you know, that will remind me and change your thoughts. Change it now. Andso I do that. I kind of...

...give that speech certain groups. Andso now I've been asked if I have rubber bands for so that have likea motivational message. So I'm thinking about that. I'm like, okay,need I need to get some rubber bands and put some, you know,encouraging words on them and maybe start handing those out of these conferences or so, yeah, pencils and rubber bands, I guess will be. I say, yeah, actually, yeah, I'm just listening to the your last podcastabout that. Yeah, so people I ask all the time now like doyou have any rubber band so that I can buy or whatever? Thanks.It's not the other pencil anymore pencil. So No. What about no,like pencil brands reach out to you like Collab or something. No. Ifind so weird because you don't which you don't see a lot of pencil marketing. I guess pencil companies don't really felt the need to market themselves. Maybe, but I find it's so strange that I haven't been reached out to youby Taekwondo Roger or a Pencil Company. Dick, I've actually reached out toI've had people on my behalf and I have actually reached out to them.It's my understanding that Lee Corso is a founder or on the board or somethingof one of the big pencil companies, and so I thought, okay,there's my tie in, but now I haven't. I mean I think wecould get a huge pencil thing going. Yeah, just you know, therewas a rebirth of pencils. I could leave the start, but I havenot been contacted. You gotta get on a pencil commercial too, exactly.Yeah, actually, well, bick is right here where I'm at in Connecticutasolutely. Yeah, they're missing an opportunity. Yeah, for sure. How doyou feel about social media? You know, I was not a bigsocial media person before the show and that was a conversation that Netflix had withme right before the show came out. They had a PR person that satdown with me. I was like okay, we need to discuss some social mediaand I just didn't really had I didn't do a whole lot on it. All my accounts for private. I just wasn't a big I'm not abig owne person in general, so I just wasn't a big social media personand obviously now that has changed. I think it is beneficial in a lotof ways. I love that it connects people from all over. I thinkthat is special, unique and a fantastic thing that I can be connected withsomeone who I've never met, you know, all the way and Wisconsin, throughthis APP on my phone. I think that's amazing and I love that. I also think, though, that, just like anything, we have becomeconsumed with it and it's starting to I think it's starting to negatively affectyoung people there. They're valuing themselves and like their self worth one how manylights they get or how many followers they have, and I think when whenyou start, just like anything, you know too much is too much ofit is a bad, bad thing, and so I think again we needto maybe step back and find some balance in with social media, because it'sa little scary. You know that what it could become if we don't checkourselves for sure. So I got a semi political question for you. Okay, so do you think college athletes should get paid, or do you thinkthe sky dochlarship is good enough, if they get one? Yeah, no, I don't think the scholarships are good enough. I do think that weshould figure out a way to compensate them in some way. You know,I think the days of the scholarship being enough for over. I think collegefootball especially and men's basketball have exploded to a level that was maybe not plannedfor, and there's it's you know, it's all about the money and itUN be contracts, and I think the...

...athletes are the ones that are losingout on the deal these days and I don't think that's fair. I thinkthat there are a lot of people with a lot of degrees who are verysmart and intelligent sitting behind decisionmaking tables within then Saa, and I think theycan figure it out if they wanted to. I don't think they want to becauseit takes the money away from them, which I think is wrong. Yeah, but do you think like all levels should get paid? I do. I think that that's a tough thing to figure out and I do understandthe dilemma. And if you're going to pay you know Jameis Winston? Howdo you know? Based on his his success or HIS JERSEY? So howdo you pay this softball player over here who you know? I get,I get the dilemma and that, but there has to be a solution somewherethat is better than what we're doing now. And I don't know that the solutionwe find to day will be the end all be y'all greatest solution,but I think you have like we can take baby steps until we do findthe answer. I think anything is better than what we're doing now. Tome, when you have a player who I don't know, I can't evenpick a name, but you have a player who's maybe from, you know, Texas, and he's playing and Florida and he's the quarterback and he's drivingyour team and you know that hit, you're selling his Jersey in the bookstore for ninety dollars a pop and you're selling out your Ninetyzero Dollar Stadium,Ninety Thousand Stadium, basically because he's winning and his parents can't afford to cometo his game good and we can't fly them in. We have a problem. That's a problem like that is not that is not okay, you know. Or when this kid can't pay his rent or he's not eating three mealsa day or he's not getting the support mentally emotionally that he psychologically that heshould get as a human being, that's wrong. There's a problem there andI just I don't know how people who are not invested in fixing the problemcan live with themselves, because to me that is just it's just wrong onevery level. Did you know who love our ball is? I know thename. Yeah, so he just started his own basketball league for, Iguess, High School. I think it's seventeen to nineteen year olds. Sothey don't have to go to college and they'll get paid to play in thatleague instead of going to college for one year. Okay, yeah, well, and there's a football league starting up that's gonna do this similar things.I think people are starting to test the NCAA and these professional organizations, whichI'm all for, like let's it's let's do something. I think it betterthan nothing. Yeah, I think in general, like probably within the nextlike fifty years, like colleges are going to decrease. Like I think collegeroom shut down. I don't know that. I love that. Education is importantand I do think that college athletics started out it was a balance,you know, it was a way for people maybe to go to college thatcouldn't afford to go to otherwise, and they were getting two things out ofit. They were getting a great education and they were able to play theirsport, and I think that's a beautiful thing and I don't know that Iwant the education to be completely taken out of it, but we we've gotto the point where we're not valuing the air station and we're using the playerand we didn't everything we're saying. But they're getting an education, but arethey? I mean, like I think, you know, I think there's gotto be a different solution and I want education to be a part ofthe solution. But we can't just stand there with our arms crossed, youknow, doing what we've always done and thinking that it's okay when somebody ismaking millions of dollars all of these players whose parents can't even watch them play. We just have to fix it. And Yeah, yeah, definitely.It's also crazy that the coach that they're...

...playing for is most likely a millionaire. Yeah, contracts or little out of control. It seems like administrators,athletic directors now aren't they have no power control. They're just working for thecoach. And you know, yeah, I mean it's a lot to fix, but it's fixable. I think it has to start from the top andsomebody has to say and that is enough, we're not doing this anymore. Andwho when that person? You know, whoever got brave soul is, Iwill stand behind maybe, maybe be you at and you go to theNCAA office. All right. Well, I think that's all the questions Igot. No thanks. Thank you. I want to I appreciate you comingon the show and if you want to tell people where they could find youon social media, twitter and instagram handle or the same. So it's atBrittany underscore MS girl. Ms Is in Mississippi. So at Brittany underscore MSgirl is my twitter and instagram following name and then I have a facebook sandpage. Also have a website for you. HECOM Gotcha. Thank you. Thankyou.

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