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Cappie Pondexter | Average To Savage EP95

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This is the ninety-fifth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring future WNBA Hall of Famer Cappie Pondexter. Paul Guarino talked with Cappie Pondexter discussing her time at Rutgers University, her legendary basketball career in the WNBA, Olympics, & overseas, and what she is doing now that she is retired Follow Cappie Pondexter https://www.instagram.com/Cappa23 Podcast interview with Cappie Pondexter originally recorded January 17, 2020

This is the average this averagepodcast with Bau Garino everyone and anyone athletes seleptsand much more. It's P. everybody welcome back toanother episode of the average savage podcast or special guests. Today iscapy pondexer cappy hows it going. Are you good appreciate you coming on no Polem? Thank you for Ha. I forgot tomention WNBA wegend yeah, so go back in time and tell mehow you got involved in basketball as a little kid. Well, you know it came tome early. I was taking I bo when I really started playing andplay smallfrywas to the small little lead Oloe World Wer the room was like eightfeet Caland. You know you can delwith five one oand.I started out toaenter a boy team and I just started saying I was really good.I was just talented natually, so I just got the plane gotyou grown up. Did youplay any other Sports Yeahi country? A little bit was stay inshape during my high school day, Hich was pretty cool. You know likephysically that or to PLA yeah yeah for sure. was thereanyone that you looked up to in the NBA or the WNBA? I don't even know if itwas an existence at the time that Modidyor Game Afer. I looked up to mark Jordan honestlybecause he was the king to the city of Chicago. You know like no matter ifOwere involvin my Gane or Abuin boter sport, you know arcle Jonwas the hero, it didn't matter. Kids, you know like it wasn't a lot offemale backtball plaer that were well known at the CIME, no yea Laly, but that didn come for me until later, whenI starte figuring out Batetball, my brother will watc watch michaelparkerJordan, so the personwere Yo, were you stillliving in Chicago when he was playing yeah, I still was living in Chicago.Like I mean he, he e he raised me in the you know when it comes to likeculture port in Chicago everything is Mata, Jordan. That's why you look at sand Birgil and Kao West, like I iy feaker, that theyre wer it'l be a joyonce is because he was all about the coature and he helped it. Helpd cure acity, they really needed it Yeaheah for sure and like coming out of high school.What was your recruiting Processo? It was contant. My first letter was youwat, Hay basketball. That was my very first letter from my high school courtcoach Goittegaters. He literally told me: Well You GONGTOplay Yousa basketball. I said: Okay Cool. I trust her because she was teone. I winlin is coach in Chicago...

History, Mel, a femaleshe's one, morestay, pitol thing, Thana lot of mals. So like her Lebyty alone, I justtrusted her and she led me into the right places and I was recruited byevery school in the whole entire country. So I couldn't want fo anyschool, but I chose brokers university over Yucob and you know a poo kind oftook off from there. What made you pick ruckers over youcom, COA, scringer man, she'San Angel. Youknow, I think about it. Duing the time whenher PAT coming wit battle without it was doing title not and Shewas the onlyAfrican American that was doing it for Atwek during that time period of CatoLineand Shee, a very special cart Os our history and I just thought it wouldbe a great opportunity to learn from her yeahea yeah. What was your overlikeoverall experience like at ruckers? It was a Maz Tine school is one of a kindlike I not one university T at. I can say that the top brokers like Ruckes isINA peccable academic system. The aftlet department is not the best, butwe win and we keep our athletes. You know Thatit's, not diffabout basketballand I think that's the most important MES to thing. You can grow up on aAtactic, camping whatd. You need a car or you UVE, the bus SESTOM, to getaround the university, and I think that is't intical PA young adolt growing up yeah.Do you still go back there h yeah, my Jeurne was retired. The second plan on the FEEPAL Tik to have my jersyretired, so its a pretty big accomplishment, AF ter castingesuniversity, and to be African American accomplishing this thing at apredominanty acan school. I think it's FANTAPIC, Yeahyeah, definitely and thenafter ruckers, like were wha, are actually during ruckers. What was thepoint where it was like your Aha moment that you could go to the WNBA? I kind of I kind of thelgt thathappening. I was say my moment was when I got kicked out of school forplagiarism. That was a very hard part for me and Inever talked about this story. You know people speculated, but it was my truth.It was my. It was something I had to live with. You know because hit was aswimmer who had just got expelled from the whole time of Universit, but theysaved me. It gave me an opportunity to come back and I think I prove themright by doing the Anta work I had to to graduate on time and well asrepresent them as e athlete, I was able to come back to school now ame. I think that was my om like and that's why I decided to stay my lastyear that I got back from in a prop...

...forty gae student got e. What what did your studio,Rokers, Africa, American study and SoctologyGosha Yeah? I think that's like one unique thing about the WMA that mostmost of the women have their degrees. Oh yeah, I mean because it', the ruletoo, you know what I mean like. It's is the change, which I think it shouldgive some attraction to the BA youknow. What I mean think about it. If t e highschool playe can come to the w early with the salary that was g, given, Ithink it's fantastic its great. I ' and I think it's Om players out there thatcan accomplish that. Yeah isn't e come out after junor year or no. It can come out when you're twenty oneOgochi and then going into the WM draft in two thousandand six. What was what was the whole draftexperience like wow? I remember it was in Boston. It was amazing. That's Ibotnis one of my favorite staties, an a Hoanti Universeso. It was magical Torme and have my parent, my pastor, my godparents around. It was amazingfeeling my brother, it was. It was really really cool and I just remember a lot of snow on me,fying out so remember I fout onight got drafed Sothey, welcome me to the cityand it was amazing and I've got a Lov with Phoenix the first night that Iback there. Although I was a little tired from the time change it was. Itwas a roal wind that I'd. Never forget h did you did you know you were goingnumber two Litdi, you know Phoenixa eiter on or toit was one or two. The question between me. An the MON MOM was actually hereright here I was, I stayed exta year. So technically it was Tom Moen her. IfI would have came out the here before, I would have went number one Yeaheahfor sure and yeah O it was. It was cool. Youknow what I mean like o even be in the top place. It was fantastic. Yeahdefinitely mean nothing. Nothing wrong with go number over overall number. Two!That's for sure, and I know yeah actually in your inyour second year. You want t e the WNBA title. So what was that like to do itso early in your cureer cool? I didn even want to Gat. Firstever play the game. Alongside of me on Tracti, like do you think about the dcom on e league,I'm going cappying Diana people can stayn bi or whatever I'mjust saying wee in Ta Bad Como, Doa Imery in history. As of right now...

...we brought we brought like thiselectricityti dynamic dual like partnership. It was the coolest experience ever because I came out ofcollege and she was a Rockstar. We thinking about Lebron Dame ething aboutCovi Bryan. She had the status, so it was like wow I'm going around with Diana Tarati wasthe coolest thing ever and Hn brefle. He didn't treat me like the wookie. Hetreated me like all right, thiss, my partner in Cime like and that's how wedid gon te cool and we were able to Wen out FIS chamdionship yeah. Then youguys want a second one, two thousand and nine right together, yeahwe wo Moref I W Saydefinitel Yeah.I mean you pretty much one everything in women's basketball. You WontOverseas to You, want you won. You got the lip e gold metal to yeah. I did I accomplish a lot of I'mjust a winter man think about it. At the end of the day, all I cared aboutno matter what Tam I played on or I'm out of the situation. I always justwanted to win that that was. That was my heart. That's what my heart told meto you know get to the game and Hogo I did.I just gave my heart. I GAV my agae, my everything. I really know the game ofbacketball andwhat. Was it like like playingoverseas for like your first time and then, but just doing that almost you'replaying basketball? Basically all year round, I remember MEA my cousin death in toIstan borltenty for the very first time and we went grocery shopping around thecorner from the House and we didn't know what we were getting. We were justlike all right. Well looks like something cool: We didn speak thelanguage, so we couldn lead any of the label in the packagin. Any of that Tewesons grabbing things that look like Americaneye, and luckily it was at hapoint where it was tranditioning to be Americanizedin the COUNTRYSO. You canread things a little easier and everything kind of look as similar asAmerica, so at's like really really cool, just geting o know the culturebut understanding the language and the people fineral. It was a coolexperience. I enjoy being it oversea honestly, ecause, the culture e O travel, lite, yeah, Yeh, Yyeah,think that I mean yeah in that aspect. I think it's cool, like you, guys getto see the world done stuff like that. I can't I can't even imagine like Ihaven't really been out of the country. To be honest, so I can'te imagine likelooking at stuff I'actually supposed to be going to Canada soon and I called upthe hotel and s and they started speaking in French, and I was like how are you I as like all right, then they starttalking anyway, it's crazy PRGNA and then what about like the overseasgame? Is it? Is it a lot different than the American GAM? Absolutely it moreintense, like I remember, Beeng, on,...

...like hot quarters on the courtIremember like mavs been thrown on the court before imyface. Oh, my God, yeah, it's crazy like it was like you know, like games,were here an and in America. That's how it was for theteam like if you repideta color, that waslike life for death like it was like that intense Oh yeahit was fun. Younowt PPORT. They support the team. Yeah were any were any of the teams youplayed for overseas, where they ownd by, like the SOGER team, yeah ye H, pretty much. I played forEnaboci, I played for Bestica and they were all by two socond clubs yeah. Sothose teams Wuav Been Wild right yeah I mean it was cool to see I justenjoy, like e fans, O whatever how the fans gettogether, Prevan an ten like going root for the team and it just like it thinke NBA Gameer sowed out. Wait. Do you go to it? You Youre paying my sockin game,yeah that that Thouh out for sure- and I know you be plating Wnba for along time. What do you think? Did you see like alot of growth from your rookae year to your last year? Oh Yeah, the game causeI slowe down. For me it became easier because I became a minser tort wards,the end of my career, and you know I was still getting buckets, but I becamea Listar. You know I played for Indiana. When I got there, the team was one andEVTEAN. We end up Erng his Esen six and twentyone, or something like that fixin something it was. It was a greatturnaround and I think the young ladies like a valuable lesson and they workedhard, the next e next season, so they were young team. I was the oldestpersonthere, so it was cool. It was cool in my career, the way that I did yeah and then let me let me read off some moreaccolade since you have you have like too many, but your set your seven time all star yourat the three time, first team you're, the NBP of the finals in twohusand andseven all defenses team or Rorki team top fifteen player. So what like? Whatdoes all that mean to it's a blessing, because I know that I couldn't do itwithout God, like, like all the pressures that come Wen Beeng, a playerlike that. I didn't understand at the time, but now that I wee retired ind,reflecting I've been able to understand like everything that I've been throughbecause it happens. Oythat, you don't even realize that you know like what'shappening so now that its really slow down for me, I feel blessed and Honer,and I don't take any of the for granded,...

...yeah and yeah. I know like yeah knowyou guys, don't Ou, you don't really have time to reflect to because you'realways playing basketball like all season. Oh, your an all your round, youknow H, t I'm saying, and we like what do you think about the new CBA thatjust came out the other day, it' Interestinga beback from the plaersto really see what they think. I think that's the most important thing you know they had the leadership from epresident to Lenca, Gomaka, being the president of the playin yeah we just tring to see where wereher. You know, I think changes happened which is important for women in generaland children in general. So I'm excited to see where we going and tetate you. So you have any considerations comingout of retirement. No, maybe the big three iprobay trial for that die gopeon, laugh all right yeah. Actually I saw thatyeah yesterday too, a lot a lot of basketball news. What about what advice? Would you giveto young male or female athlete liketrying to get a d one scholarship or trying to go pro? You nowte focus onthe school work. First, honestly, really do we got to focus on e schoolwork and then, at the same time, you got ta focus on your cras. Just as muchlike the mailman con ta You qut inbacketball. If you put Om comment to o academics, you know youcan become something really really great for one basketball, an SFINISH,you don't think about the inpart. You know you just think about righ now andthe possibility of you doing is but then think about. When hat over when abar, a Bontin or Nak, you gotta go back good wit. What's most important, anthat's e academic part of it yeah definitely wh t, and what are youup to now that you' retired man I got my handso much. Obviously I love music, I'm looking to do company music. I think the second thing is me: getmeback to the homelet, I'm n couple cojects, where I'm givingback into the community of La Wen come to home. With this, I think it's a ahuge topic that needs to be covered, not just an labor all across the globe.It's a shame honestly to Seit, and I think if we give a little more healthin Hind, I think twe can help them get them off the street and a the mostimpotant thing, an that's why I dot to involvnpreventing gunviolet. I think myexperience with my family and moving a COCH member, a few Cote Mumber Anit,had push me to start my own. My Own Company love is to Gein Im,focusing on o better in the community and peoplethat are tragotized from the law, because I think...

...e Lo somebody bing a family fromtempazonlius is a very hard thing, so i'Mtoncuson Tho things is giving backto the community. Obviously the kids are number one for me, anything that Ican help. I still do a lot of close projects, Wul Nike e when to come tocommunity. You know I've been with them since Iwas like fifteen, so a company like that is its a veryimportant to me, especially now that I retired to Continu relationship in he.Partnership with them. Sor Do lot of pojects with them in the community forthe young kid specially in the city. On Chicago at' ethat's, what I'm doing I'm justgeing back, I think that's my purpose in life. If to get back, I enjoy getingback and yeah. That's what I do got Ya. I gotta ask you like. So howdid you get with Nike? Like did o? was there any like getting wor with anothercompany? I have no idea that they are tell hencomtalk. To me I mean I mean like when you first started when you firststarted your harreer. Oh, when I first started my thryou know,you go tog the circuit nde to be able to work like he on the uthform and warmup in the shoes you GE back Tik, Youat, one point:HPEIKE Miehe athlete all my career, Gosha Isabin. You know what I mean a thatcome with the whole whole type of being a basketball player, professionalbasketball player. You know it's like its OT easy tes, not I man. Peoplethink that on Ting is not about that. It's the hard work that you put in, andI put a lot of, had work in yeah. What about yeah? What was yourlike? Workout routine, like basketball, lives and like did you fliff weightsand stuff like that, too, I played a lot of basketball. I did a lot of string. Training. Exercis me own muscle, not necessarly. Like wait, you know Iwould do a lot of Strinkin Esecie a lot of e, a lot of herapy things likethat yeah, that's a peopl! That's the thing that people don't TinkidhaOundyeah! Definitely I mean, I think, that's what people don't see at all like withathletes in general yeah. You know you gotto get thim twice aweek, befor, there's a lot of things that people don't realize that goesinto it, its a Lotit O. Definitely, definitely all. Are you ready for some funquestions? Er Go from haverage, O savage okay. What do I do with Avrag?...

No, I mean like that's what I justnamed it so like it's usually like some fun question so and then just makes youlike the last one make you think more so so my first question is so. My firstquestion is what S ur? What's your favorite shoe of all time, sneakerAryouin, an any specific colorwav like the black and white color way,whatever it is, whatever the dinor, whatever shoe it is I like black andwhite wit, a joint oneiyeah? Actually I mean I don't know if you seen it onlike twitter when they were coming out with like, like the all drip awards and there andthen like Peope people, ere still competon, like your name, even thoughyouwere retired special appreciate that yeah is there any story behind your parents, pigging Heur, name cappy, my dad named me after you siter right. Is that known or is that like Bran Gotcha? Is that is that like non, do you do Ao t yeah? I have no idea, I guess they know now:allright yeah, that's o. What do you think your career wouldhave been if you didn't play basketball fashion, I'm a teacher for sure. Okay, I would have detit Iwouldicommunity poet open kid o I lov kids. So much do you do any like basketball am hello, I don't I don' her ther. Youknow never whenever I feel like it, but majorityof the time I di doing event or Stufi do a lot of it and Theb a lot of times with Kik yoot to at last one who would you wantto want to exchange your Jersey with, like any basketball, AC, CUNJOI onneor? What about women's player Sur Yeah? Just going with the classics, I have to yeah for sure. Definitely well I appreciate you coming on. Youhave the people know where they could follow you up. It could follow. MEOINTAGRAMMA twitter at CAPA, CAPPA t three and it will link then pobae, a cappypondex all right. I look forward to connecting with you guys in twothousand and twenty. I wish that you have a Ber tonferise here of abundlanclove and Peace.

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