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Claressa Shields | Average to Savage EP15

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This is the fifteenth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring professional boxer Claressa Shields. Paul Guarino talked with Claressa Shields discussing her Olympic journey, being a two-weight class world champion, and what she wants her legacy to be. Follow Claressa Shields www.instagram.com/ClaressaShields www.twitter.com/ClaressaShields Powered by Darty Co. www.dartyco.com

... suets and much more so, of everybody in back for another episode of average to savage. You got another special guests. Clears the shields, Clarisa, how's it going? Good, good, good. So let's just jump right into it. If you tell the viewers a little about yourself. To time from metal this for time professional world champion is and tamping the two weight divisions. A bunch of other titles too, but I just try to keep it short as I can keep it. For sure, only twenty three right. Yeah. So what was it like growing up in Flint, Michigan? Pretty Hard, will start. Well, my dream was everything kind of started going in place a little bit. So what made you? What got you into boxing and what? How old are you? Well, was eleven years old, and is really a story that my dad tell me about Mohamma having the Dar named lately and my dad used to box. I thought it was telling me you wanted to take after him, so I decide it I would try out box. I didn't know that boxing will actually be two sports for me. Did you play any other sports grown up? Oh yeah, freaking super athlete. I play basketball, volleyball, softball, ran track and cross count three were I didn't do with soccer. Where you best out besides boxing? I was really good at tryst and I was a really good defensive player on basketball. Yeah, yea. So going into your amateur career, your dominant. And then two thousand and twelve was the first women's boxing event. So when did you like find out about that they were going to have boxing for women in the Olympics? What made you want to like train for that? We found out at Olympics when I was thirteen. Was Two thousand and eight, four years prior. Yep, YEP, and we didn't know about old enough yet. We just were hoping, you know, we just say we will stay undefeated and you know, we find out the eight, the eights and everything that that I had to be as they got close, but at the age thirteen we didn't know. We were just hoping. We didn't find out here maybe two months before the last Olympic qualifier. It took thousand and eleven that I was old enough to compete if I in the seventeen to thirty four open division. Okay, yeah, so you were. You were seventeen at the Olympics are eighteen, seventeen. Yeah, so you're really, so, you're really I'm gonna yeah, so going there after winning the the gold. They're what made you not decide to turn pro and train for the Suffocate Olympics? That one first Olympics. It was like that was my dream and I want you to first woman twin Olympic medal, and I did that. Yeah, and I think, like you know, I wanted to turn pro, but it wasn't like any direction, like we didn't know which direction to take because we really didn't hear about any other female fighters that were professional.

Like it was like I was getting more fights in the amateur and people know more about me than knew about the professional women. So I was like, you know, we didn't really know what to do and I didn't want to go professional or not be able to fight, you know. So I'm like, maybe we need to wait to women's watching get a little bit bigger and then term term pro. I didn't start pursuing a two thousand and twelve in two thousand and Sixteen Olympics for my second Olympic medal to two thousand and fourteen. That's what I made the decision like, you know what, I'm going to go back to the Olympics and maybe when I win another Olympic goal medal, they'll they'll have to respect me and women's boxing because I'll do the only like on the last two eleven, I'll be the only person to win a goal. You know, that's what I was thinking to myself. But we had a lot of potential go molas on up on both teams, two thousand and twelve and two thousand and sixteen. But as two thousand and twelve, I was the only one to win lymtical medal and I was like, you know what, if I going to win another, let people mods they're going to have to respect me in the pros and they're going to have to give women's boxing some kind of push. You know, it's time twenty sixteen came around. You know, I knew about Heather aready doing big things. I know about Amanda Torando, and those are only names that I had knew so far. You know, it really wasn't any other name that I knew. I knew in my weight it was a girl named Christina Hammer Webbon, like world champion for a few years, but it was like she was big and fighting on TV. Eat. The only girl I knew that actually fought on TV was heather hardy, and that's when we both fought on TV the same day. You know, I was fighting the Olympic final and he was fighting against I want to say, silly Benson. Oh Yeah, yeah, I remember that one. So you went again in two thousand and Sixteen Olympics. And then what would you say? What was it like? You Jimmy White through the out like going from one Olympics to the second. Everybody, I had so many fans. Everybody knew that I was the one watch. You know what I mean, like we ha people on a teams are but like, you know, watch him, but they're like, you know, watch the girl. Definitely watched the girl, the big girl. That one hundred and sixty five was the favorite. I would I had so many areviews. I had commercials on NBC Olympics. It was a lot of stuff that I had that was promoting myself but also promoted women's boxing. Get Ready for the twenty sixteen games. There for sure. Which one was harder? In your opinion? The first medal was definitely harder. I was seventeen years old, I was only five eight and I was I could barely make a hundred and sixty five. When I was seventeen. I was I was waiting and I think I fought the final at a hundred and sixty two pounds. Yeah, I had to, you know, I used to be able to eat before the way. Yeah, you know. So you know, I was very little and those girls were tall, like six to six four. They were stronger. I just is very skill and I know how to fight, you know. But I had said a firstone definitely better. At the Second Olympics,...

I feel like it was a walk in Apark for me, like, you know, I was a hundred and sixty two, hundred and sixty five pounds. That's some of the fight, I would you know, it was easy. I actually have fun. And Twenty Sixteen, in two thousand and twelve, I was like I feel thout, like thank God I get the finally go home. But two thousand and sixteen, you said, like all the fame and commercials and stuff like that. So it wasn't like added pressure. No, you're never let I never less the be added pressure. For me, it which is mold like I deserved all the f things now here because of how they really kind of ignored me in two thousand and twelve. You know, even after I was the only person on Team USA for boxing to win Electrical Medal, it was still people in the team who got more recognition than me. Yeah, did who didn't metal or, you know, Marla and this father, who want a bronze medal, like I was the only Elymptical models or box in twenty twelve. It's crazy. It's crazy that you didn't get the press you deserve for that one. And so then you made her pro debut in two thousand and sixteen. So what was what was that decision like, and what was the pro debut like? It was one decide. The third pro was hard because I really would like if only three people in the world that's been city Olympics three time and one Olympics three times back to bed. And I know that. If I would have been able to go back to two thousand and twenty, and I could have did that, but it was like time professional took me out that, you know, like it would like when you time professional, you can't fight and am yeah, so that was a decision for me, but I was like, you know, I made it because I didn't want to disappear for years. Like I had two olympical models, the only person in America whoever wants to orifical models, and I've been boxing and I just was like I don't want to not fight on TV until two thousand and twenty. Yeah, definitely, like, you know, it was a lot of time. Even after the Olympics people are like, what is Clarissa doing? We haven't seen her, says twenty. Some people missed me in a two thousand and Sixteen Olympics. Like they're like do you still box? Like a lot of my fan mail and people like writing me on and they're like do you do you steal box? You know, we watch the documentary, you know, like before your Pro Dad. Yeah, unaware. You know, even and sixteen people were still like kind of like where was that? CUZ It was like I was fighting all the time. It wasn't ever been so anywhere. Yeah, sure, so, after all after all that, like now you're like paving the way for other girls. So like what's that? What's that feeling like? Definitely, when you in the League, you know you're the person leading. Yeah, I've got have to make my own route. Like yeah, definitely, there is no blueprint to being a great woman fighter, like I swear, like you can be the best fighter ever, but it's steel, like there's no blueprint to the promoters, to being on TV, like there's no blueprint...

...for me to follow, like you know, flood my weather. Yeah, mom ally, for me, I don't I don't have anybody, because I'm the one that's making a way, like I'm the first woman of fight main event on showtime, Premier Cable. You know. So I mean Prem Lalo or x Christy Martin, a ball like what I should expect, you know, me on not ever acts them with how much were they were the biggest persons, and that's something I want. No, personally and me and they told me personal level and I just I just keep it there. HM, for sure, but I just like, Dang, can I really even make money doing this? And if I can't make money doing it, what is going to be my second job, you know, because I do want to help the sport, but I would like I might have to figure out a second guy. Thank God I didn't have to be everything kind of aligned itself for me. Having a great manager Martascic. You know, show time be interested in me and me being able to draw a crowd and draw viewers. All that kind of just came with it, you know. But I didn't know that kind of professional. I thought it was going to be a lot harder and way harder to get on TV. Like I was on TV my second, second fight, I believe, on show time was the main event. Yeah, there's like, what the heck, happen so fast? Not when I was show time, you two years or something like that, and then literally happening three four months of being a pro. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, and I mean especially now with social media stuff. I know there's like a lot of just like live streams. So it's like boxing in general is just getting more out there. For even then it was like you're some excitement, but now, I mean women's boxing had really grown some excitement back to the box and now like these big matches I get made and I feel like some of the guy that compete with the women as far as in competition level, like you can't despite bump anymore get through space. This is when the guys, when they got women, women world champions fighting other world chaps. If so many unification both yeah, Bo, in the last two years. I'm like, yeah, they see it. I mean that's like one of the dopest things to just because in like it's mostly like international to yeah, women is not just I mean there's a lot of obviously men fighters that are Americans here, but I mean I think like more international women are coming over here to yeah, so in your fourth fight you fought Nikki addler for the two world with the Super World Heavy, I meant the super middleweight world titles, and then you defeated her. So what was that feeling like? One of your first world titles, world titles their self. It felt like so many people like they didn't believe I was going to do it. I don't know what they thought, like they were they were still thinking like that. I was like to me through, I want to go like you...

...know what I mean, I'm not getting handed things, medals. Yeah, and you say it like you know, she didn't watch film with me. You know, she's the world champion. I need to respect her. She's going to show me why she's the world chance. Yeah, I'm an experience all this stuff and I kind of felt like somebody, media was kind of believing her, which was like really so I just like really like he dan like make like no mistakes. That's FITE. Know, like no mistakes and can't. It's really just dominate her. We when we box. I mean from first round. I went out there, busted her nose and let her know you want to fight and just to you disrespecting me. Get quick. Yeah, sure, that one was on showtime. To write. Yep. So then your next fight was Tory Nelson, right, yea, and then she was an then she was she was another are undefeated fighter, because it defend your belts. And then now your last. Why? You went down the middleweight to fight Hana Gabriel, to win, to win two more titles. So, like what's next for you if you want all these titles already? Yeah, well, go down and because the girl won't fight, you know, and that's not throwing any like kind of shade, that's just true. Like those girls. You know, it's so hard for me to get a fight. Like I've never won five months without having to fight, even in the amateurs. Yeah, you know, since I've been age, since I turned seventeen or sixteen, I've been fighting like consistently, and then I turned pro and these girls have every use in the world not to fight. And name the girls from alasia, Napoleon. So we're kill Millar to Marilla corn. So all those girls, they all give me, you know, reasons to what a can't fight. Oh Oh, they're not taking our round right now. If you know all the BS, you know just to fight. And so I went to one hundred and sixty because Christina Hammer feels that she can beat me and he can't say she didn't want to come up to onund sixty eight because that was too big for her. Yeah, and this he thought I couldn't make undred and sixty. Like I don't know why she thought that, like he's literally eight pounds, but she thinks I'm just so huge, it's so fat. I don't know what's wrong with her. And I'm like, I can make a hundred and sixty pounds for that, one hundred and sixty five, for six, seven years, you know. So going down to one hundred and sixty, I was like, you know what, I want to fight her and I want to be her, and if her excuse is going to be that I'm too big, I will go down. You know, for all these girls that I'm too big for them, I will go down. So I went down one sixteen and fought against a Hannah Gabriel and she was able to come up and people and I feel like people don't give me enough credit on that win because it's like, yeah,...

...she knocked me down, but what? But when I got up, people don't realize how big like she was. She's not. The reason she beats all those girls that one hundred and fifty four is because she's so much stronger than them. I mean like her legs in our arms were are literally bigger than mine, like you can see it. You can see the difference, like I'm kind of more lean and tall. She like it's back like a big legs, mean not just big castle, big thighs, big big arms, you know what I mean. Like she's like super woman or something like that. Like she was stuck and she was strong as ever, and then, you know, her coming up give her more strength. I would literally like literally had to start to make the last three pounds of one hundred and sixty because I because it just wouldn't come off that a hundred sixty pounds. It would knock him off. I was like, what in the world is going on. So would you? It was just so much promotion around and fight like so much, just like with everything was nicked uff up, you know it was. It was so much that that just wasn't going right, but that fighting. I wasn't able to focus like I wanted to. But but I like the knock down was needed and you know, I give her problems because I've never been dropping, not even by a male sooking grants there on that, but I literally got back up in a straight and I want easy. Yeah, I think that was probably your best fight so far. No, I'm saying you fought through reversary. So that would like put you on another level. Yeah, so I know you mentioned Pristina Hammer. So you think, when you think, that fight will happen? That's so that's going to be your next fight. Yep, right. Overall, like, what do you want your legacy to be? I want to know me as the greatest woman of all time. Yeah, you know, anyone, but the history that I've made, the history that I'm making, the way that advance that women's blots like I should have been got an SB already. I should have been nominated as one of the best female fighters of the year. Like I should have been in that talks way before now. And you know, I just I just have to do all that. I can't make it much history as I can make you behind me. Don't have to work it hard work. You'd be surprised how many a man's I have to make, because sometimes they sometimes they really don't think about it. Like I literally have to like keep reiterating, like whatever you do for the men, do for the women. You know, whatever you do for a man's, you case about or for men will well, a world kind of fight, do for me and some stuff they don't even realize it. Like I I brought so many things to the promoters into and to showtime attention. They like they can do like they can't do anything, but like just respect it and they like, Oh, we didn't even like they Li really don't think about it,...

...and I'm not gonna put it just because I never had to. You know, women's boxing is just getting on a scene, like I've said. You know, the WBC has a commercial, right, yea, all the men, the WBC champions, and I'm like, y'all, that's that's promotion. Like US women need to have our own BBC commercial. Also asking about it. Yeah, and they and they are, like I said, it's they don't even think about it. Can Never I think about it before. So when I said it to them, they're like, oh, wow, you're right, we have to we have to eat something together it. You know, we have to do something. But they didn't think about their first and and I just love them so much because me even missening to them, like even with short time, in all my I you know, I did four hundred and KK views last fight. I'm that's the most views that a woman fight on TV has ever gotten. That they from, from from what I heard, and I'm like, you know, that's without the two months press conference, like we didn't have that, the press conference two months before fight, like some porter and them do, like the way they go with sit down and being like all the promotion leading up for their fight. Like we didn't have that. But I was able to get parts ink views though, you know, because the promotion I do for myself, but and some of what they do also. But I would like just imagine if we would have had that two months build up. Yeah, for sure we would have the press conflant, if you would have had the you know, face off and everything two months before and they had the commercials and all that stuff, and I just mentioned that to them so they can know, like, it's not like I'm just I'm found to reinteract. Look like the word, you know, equal. What you do for me, do for women, and I mean like really, I don't. I don't know what the woman before me did, but they really didn't speak up enough, because if they did, I wouldn't have to keep like doing what I'm doing. I have to fight a good and awesome make sure I'll fight for women's boxing at the same time. Yeah, definitely. I mean I think it's a lot easier nowadays with obviously social media and stuff like that. Did you ever think about ever pitching like all women? Scarred? Absolutely, but I like the fact that. Well, your yeah, we've always been on the UNDERCARD. I don't for all women's boxing, car I'm preach for more than one women's fight on a card. Like I really want, like film, to start putting like women as the TV opener for a lot of bouts. Yeah, just put us on TV, the main event or whatever, to start putting us on TV, and I'm trying to give other women's chances to be the main event also, you know, not just with fighting me, but you know, Christina Hammer was Christian hammer and Tory Nelson where the Co main event on show time.

That's first time ever history that's been done. I mean you're pretty history, pretty much like everywhere. You Got Right. So I'm just trying to and then, as now, the other promotions and other promoters are getting involved also, like ESPN to showing Mary's to the CORNEO and Cinisias suer bad on ESPN now and awesome Kayla mayor. Hbo Just showed their first female TV bout with which tell your bockey's versus callie reese, you know. So it's getting some noise. They're seeing that women box can get views. People want to see. If we have really loyal fans, we just have to keep pushing, keep pushing, to keep at it. Definitely ready for some fun questions. Yeah, yeah, Goo. So how'd you get your nickname? T REX sugressive, and so they say, when I used to be like trying to get them and I couldn't reach them. Who gave you that nickname? Gotcha. What about would you ever fight in an MMA match? Question if they were Gota. So you can fight a MMA fighter and boxing. Yeah, okay, fair enough. What about what do you think you'd be doing if you weren't a professional boxer? You like to sing. Yeah, are you good to come to Karaoke and see? That's there. You Go, you go to Karaoke night. Yeah, all right. So what about? Let mean, maybe that's not do. A lot of people know you like to Sing Karaoke. Karaoke. So I think some people know. But what's one thing that people might not not know about you? Besides singing, now spends when they think of me, like they think that look at me like that. I'm me, but a really nice yeah, you answered me. You answer me. Came on the PODCAST, right, yeah, it's what about what's on your playlist right now? Like music? You know what I like? Right now, I'm listening to Bob. I'll be sky and I love that drake. Okay, did you do the KI challenge or not?...

No, I don't think I seen it. I mean there's like a million of them, so I'll just check it out. All right. Well, I appreciate you coming on the show and tell people where they can fall you. Yeah, you guys can followses on Instagram, shoe and facebook and you're definitely going to be back in the ring before the two thousand and eighteen. Yes, all right, I appreciate you coming on. Thanks, thank you.

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