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Hakeem Valles | Average To Savage EP63

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This is the sixty-third episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring entrepreneur Hakeem Valles. Paul Guarino talked with Hakeem Valles discussing his life-changing experience while visiting Haiti, his football journey from Monmouth University to the NFL, and his passion for entrepreneurship & real estate. Follow Hakeem Valles https://www.instagram.com/HakValles80

This is the average to savage podcast, with ball Greno everyone in anyone, athletes, so webs and much more so up. Everybody on back for another episode of the average savage podcast. Or special guests. Today is former NFL tight end turn entrepreneur, a Keim villas quem how's it going, Paul? What's going on? Brother? Thanks for having me on the show. Yeah, thanks for coming on. I appreciate it absolutely. Let's just jump right into it. So tell us where you grew up and how you got into football. I grew up in Winslow township, New Jersey, small small town and Cambin County, about twenty minutes outside of Philadelphia, and I started playing football when I was probably a man. Start playing when I was young, just, you know, backyard football is our playing organized football until it was in third grade, so probably it's like eight years old. Yeah, started with the winslow redskins and yeah, guess so, since you played for like the Redskins, was at your favorite team growner? Oh, no, breed and white. My still bleep green and white, die hard eagles fan. Just growing up twenty minutes from Philadelphia. It was I was home. Like high schools in the area. Their mascot was eagles. I mean you were green and white. On Fridays you got like halfball, fe a slice of pizza, like a free slushy, like for pep rallies, like it was those back during the Donovan mcnabv, like Theo era, and it was a real eagles fans. Now Yat got yeah, so you had a great high school career and your primarily wide receiver. And what was like the recruiting process? Like different than most. I had an average high school career, like going for my my sophomore year to my junior year, I was actually going to quit football because I liked basketball more and like my first love is basketball and like I wanted to go the NBA and I want to go to college for basketball. And like, going for my sophomore or my junior year, I went to my advisor, who was also my basketball coach, and said, like, Hey, I'm thinking about not playing football next year because I come to basketball season every year and I'm out of shake something football shape, and like I want to get ready for basketball season in the fall to like everybody else. And he was like football teaches you things that I can't teach you so I want you to, you know, stick with football one more year and if you know you really don't like it, then next year we'll do that and then we'll get you in the college for Basketball your senior year. and was like all right, cool. And then my junior year is my breakout year for football and it was awesome. I'll get a lot of calls from it. A whole bunch of different schools going heavily through the recruiting process my junior year. That's summer went to like I don't know how many camps every I mean man, some of my great memories it just me and my dad going camp to camp, to camp to camp every weekend from like all spring all the way through the summer. Going into my senior year, like all the different individual colleges like recruiting hand and it was awesome. I only gotten one offer coming out of the summer, was with mom at university.

And going into my senior year, the main schools that were really kind of like like me was University of Delaware and Boston College and they wanted to mainly see like my first three games and determined to throw an off mere do. And it's funny because University of dollaware actually wanted me as a tight end back then, and two days before the first game we were doing this hit and drill and I was actually the quarterback, be our quarterback. That hurts. I went from wide receiver to quarterback to start the season just because I also was a quarterback growing up. And like my freshman and software year, like go on jv, I was the quarterback and I also was the safety and we were doing this hitting drill because in our scrimmage we had we made, we did some you had some awful tackles during the scrimmage. So we did a hitting drill where we're twenty yards away from each other. The guys who had the ball was standing up, the guy on defense was laying on his back and it was like a slim tunnel when you just had to run down and tackle, like it was like a man up drill and I was like man, I'm like, I'm the quarterback, I'm really not trying to get hurt doing this, but I'm not gonna like get out of the drill, so I'm like I'm going to like swipe people so I don't really take on some serious contact and legs like dude. I was hitting. He's actually really good friends still to this day, bio, and he was like all right, next time I'm going to jump over you. I was like yeah, whatever, and he jumped over me. I grabbed his foot and like that leverage of him jumping and he grabbed his foot like my novels almost went to like my butt, like over my head and I tore my lab room and I was out for an entire season. Like I had to get surgery October, November. All those schools, you don't drop me stop. You know, I didn't want anything to do with me after that. Shout out to them. And Mom is honored by scholarship and was kind of Whit me throughout the whole process and, you know, committed to mom and and it was home ever since. Yeah, well, well, that's I mean, that's crazy and that's dope that mom and stuck with you and that's your and that's New Jersey School. So Hell Yeah, so you started out wide receivers there also and then you switch the tight end your red shirt junior year. So what we led to that decision? A couple factors led to it. One factor was it was Neil Sterling's fifth year. So it's kind of breakout year. And on top of that, Reggie white junior had just came in and like he just he just signed to the New York giants recently, and I remember summer session he's got. It was as like my summer year I got my car's gonna be my year, I'm going to be playing, blah, blah, and I see this freshman coming. We're doing drows. I'm like, oh my gosh, it's kids good. And then it kind of came down to like my fifth year. If I wanted to get a fifth year, I had to actually get on the field. You just like up to this point, like my firstman sought my red shirt year, myselfware year, my junior year I had zero catches, nothing like I used to play during like dumpster time. I get the very, very end by the couple stamps. Now catches, like on side. I kicked like hands team maybe,...

...and I was like you know what, like in order to really get on the field, like the one of the tight ends, they gotten like a concussion and I was like, you know, I I think I can play tight end and my buddy saddy is Richard's who's the wide receiver. It was like maybe you should make the move to tight ends. Nine days in the camp and I went to the titans coach and, you know, told him. I said Hey, like, you know, what's your thoughts to me moving to tight end? And he was like yeah, I've been waiting for you to ask me that since you got here, and I was like Oh, it's like he's done. Let me talk to the head coach and like we'll check it out and see how you'll get you into a stance and see how you see what we can do from there. And it was rough or first so like, I mean I put on like forty pounds in like a month, month and a half, and was, you know, first game I got my first catch, my first second game, but my first touchdown and the like third game I started every game after that. Yeah, it's another crazy story right there. Just they never ask you to move to tight end. went up to them because it was as it was looking slow. It was looking real slow. Why, receiver? I'm like, you know, I like it's looking like I am not like being completely selfaware. Yeah, I was. Is Not not playing this year again, like it's unless somebody gets hurt. I'm not playing and if I don't play, I'm not getting a fifth year. If I don't get a fift year, I means I'm not getting my master's. I wasn't even thinking really nfl at that point. Yeah, it was really about getting a Master's. So yeah, actually that's my next question. When did you realize like you had a job to play in the NFL? It was kind of really multifaceted. Like after that season my little brother had gotten drafted to the Oakland raiders and like that was a big, big realizer, like Oh, you know, he can do it, I can do it like easily. And it was my tight ends coach, Jeff Gallo. It's just like kind of came up to me after the season. was like these coach tight ends before that have went to the NFL and's like look, I know what it takes to get I mean he was roommates with Miles Austin, like at Mama, back when they were at Moma together when he was an offensive linement. Yeah, and he came up to him was like I know what it takes, you know, to get to NFL, and like I think you got. You got what it takes, but you got like you're raw, like you don't have, like you know I'm saying, like you came into this like nine days in the camp and we threw you in the fire and you saying you came out, but you're raw and like we can get you right, but get straight up. You're going to get your ass kick, like I'm going to kick your at epic if you're willing to, I'll kick your ass the summer and you'll go to the NFL and like house open to it. And then it was I'm not sure if you know this, I went to Haiti that summer. I. Right after I graduated, after that season and may went to hate you, my mom, my dad and my grandma on a missionary trip with a group of new verses from Villanova University as well, and we went out...

...there. It was the most amazing week of my life. Like, like I'm Haitian, so I getting granted with my real roots. It was it was unreal. We are mission was we were given up medicine the different churches and orphanages across the country. And it was may twenty nine, two thousand and fifteen, and it was middle of the night to thirty of the morning. Me and three other missionaries. We were playing SPADS, the card game, and we there was a storm that night, so we opened up the steel door, dead bull door, to let a breeze come in and, like you know those electric fly swatters that you can hit bugs, they made like that loud like yeah, all of a sudden you hear this loud POW and I my initial reaction is like who's hit in the electric fly swatter? And reality was a gunshot going through the screen door. And then you see a foot kicked through the front door and eight people storm into the house behind that foot and there's a guy saying I was froze because I I I saw was like fly swatter. And then everything just happened in slow motion and the guy is got em tease and across the table for me. He jumps across the table and tackles me out of my chair and that same guy shot through the front door and shoots it us like it was a blood hole in the wall and like were laying on the ground below it. And then like they come over, flip over the table. There's a girl next to us. She has a shawl on. They rip it into pieces hog tire. So hands tied behind your back, feet ti at your ankles and hands tied to your feet and then blind folded. And then those guys went room to room and stole everything, like they punched one lay in the face, like attempted to rape another lady and failed. There was a pastor who was staying with us in like if you didn't know where his bedroom was, you'd never looked there, and he was hiding under the bed and he called the police and the police were like where you guys located at? NOPE, we don't come to that. are like good luck. Click, and then he calls the next door neighbor and says go outside and like empty your clip. I got in the airs. All of a sudden, you just here like all these gunshots outside and like, I don't speak Kreole, so I don't know what's happened. I don't know if the country's under attack that I don't know what's happening. And after those gun shots we had thought they left, but all on our compound we had also had like a medical clinic and they were going in and out of the clinic. They are still in the medicine eye kind of stuff, and at that time my dad had untied himself out of the bedroom and from his perspective he hears gunshots and here's his son screaming, and then gets tied up in his bedroom, JEM. I mean like he ties himself, crawls out make sure nobody got hit and then starts on tie me. Well, know, closes the steel door first, puts the dead Bulton, starts on tie me and then like thirty seconds later, doomdoomdoom tooom. You're like loud banging at the door and they're back and my dad, everybody's just like be quiet, be quiet, the girl being quiet because we don't think they can get in. And then they start shooting out the windows, so that's like okay, okay, okay, and opens up the door for...

...them. They like rough him up time back up, throwing on top of me and go through the house again. And like at that time that pastor had done the prayer that morning at the Prime Minister's office and he calls the Prime Minister himself saying send the police or under attack. And like the police finally here sirens going off in the distance, like probably about forty five minutes since the beginning of like the ambush like started and after the sirens days they scurried off, cops, calm. They were there for a five to ten minutes. Told US take pictures on our phones and cameras if we have them, in good luck and that that was it. And like three days later I started summer sessions and started working out, like going into my fifth year and like I was, I'm coming back. Originally got messed up. They got some awful PTSD. I got a panic attack on the airplane and like that changed me now forever in terms of like truly understanding like the value of life and just being grateful for like everything. Like nothing can break me on the physical side of things, because I can take my mind to the place of you're not in a third bow country, tied up, covered in your year, own year and knowing that you're about to die. So, like I mean we can run a k like right now, and that I've never run a K, but just because I don't, it's not as bad as being in that situation. I could do it, and that's kind of I started approaching working out and really grind it, like like a whole different level of grinding, like you can ask anyone's ever really grinded with me. I can attest that to anyone, like how hard they festive during those times, that hard I was working, and I think that's what really like that, you know, overcoming that traumatic experiences is something that really attests to kind of where I am today. That's amazing, that's crazy and wow, that definitely could be a life changer right there. So you think if that never happened, do you think they you wanted to work as hard? I don't know. I don't know. I still would have grinded. Yeah, like obviously I was trying to go to the NFL, but there's just those times where times get tough, obviously all the time, and I know that all the time. Like going back to that place was I don't know what place I would have went back to or what would have kept me going in the sense of when times got tough, like when you're working out, you know for you know, on the Grind ten eleven hours a day. You know, from when you start to train to go to the NFL at like the you know the place you're training at, pre draft I gave, when you're like a rookie and like any times like down times get tough, like you can just go thinking about that, but times and get tough right now and it's just like it's amazing how grateful I am. You know, it's so I don't know, honestly, don't know that. I don't know what I don't know what that feels like. Yeah, for sure. So I know, even though you went undrafted, you got signed by the Arizona Cardinals and you made the practice squad. What was that like? Making an NFL roster?...

Super Cool. I was just happy to have a home and have a job and it was really cool trying to be a part of a family, like, you know, practice squad. I think something you don't realize the text. PRACTICQUA gets like a stigma guy is not really part of the team. Like your you gear part of the team and you're in the practice clients, like you do everything with the team and it's everybody's kind of like a Familis, and I got he's practice squad, like he can hang out with us. It's cool. And then after like, you know, actually getting bumped up a couple weeks in the season. That was that was unreal. Yeah, what was that like? Just stepping on the field for your first like official NFL geame. It was wild, mainly because it was Thursday night football, so it's prime time. So it was, you know, an extra whole set of cameras out there on the field. And I also made a mistake, a couple mistakes, and he like there was like a play action pass, like a naked play called, and I knew the button. The ball is coming to me, like if the defense did what they were supposed to do, which they did, and because, like and I caught the said same in ball during preseason against the broncos on the same exact play and the play was called and I was like let's go like Dursday night football it, let's do it, and thought comes to me, goes right through my hands and and I was like, oh my gosh, my damn, go back to the huddle, like my fault. Guys. Very next play it's a rubber route. I'm setting a pick for their fist joe and I said it. He catches it, he goes for like forty yards, offensive fast in appearance on me and I'm like, oh my gosh. And like you know that on field camera for like the Primetime Games, like that thing is like following me. So that it's like in the huddle with me, like in my head I'm like, oh my gosh, I know they're just ripped me on TV. Like rookie Ikey and balance comes up for his first game on the practice squad. His first play as a drop this second play is offensive fasts like this is rough, but we wind up winning that game. So you know, nobody tends to really remember the mistakes, which is fall not after film sticks, but it was an awesome experience. Yeah, for sure. And in two thousand and seventeen, I know the cardinals wave you, but then you signed with Detroit. And then is that when your entrepreneur real ship and real estate came in? Actually, no, so why entpreneurship goes so kind of being selfaware as a kid, I'm always been an entrepreneur. And Yeah, I'll get you all the way back to the cardinals. Like back when I was in like fifth grade, I was you know, I can't believe some of these people used to let me cut their grass, but ulti brother of the drive feting around to these houses that I will put on a put ads up one craigslist and Joe cut grass. Then when I was in middle school, like my mom had a SAM's clubs card and she used to go to Sam's club and buy me a box of skiddles for thirteen...

...and had thirty six skiddles in it, and then I'd go sell you skill back of skiddles four dollar and make twenty three per box of skittles and like went to school every day with two backpack zone. And like when I was going from high school to college, my little brother Max, that broke his iphone for like the Toen time and like my dad was like I'm not paying to get it fixed, and I was like, let me check it out and went on Amazon bought the screen for like twenty twenty five and it took me like six hours, but I fixed this phone and it worked. I was like, oh my gosh work and then like Ding, like a light bulb went off my head and I took apart my phone put it back together until I could do it in twenty minutes and then I showed up to college my freshman year. I'm first day on campus, like I was the iphone in the Paragd I fixed like three or four months a day, like literally bought the screens for two thousand and twenty five and fix them for sixty and then I used to take the crack screens and sell them to this company in Alabama for five dollars a crack screen and they used to recycle the screens and make new screens. And then I will go to all the iphone repair stores in the area, in like the Mama area, and buy their screens, their crack screens from them for two hundred and fifty a screen and then go back to my dorm, my house, but we're at those screens back up and then shift them out the Alabama for five dollars screen like. And then I got to while I was in college, like the girl was actually dating at the time, her dad had his own house flipping business and my major in college was business for the concentration real estate, and he took me under his wing and we flipped like ten houses together North Jersey, like wow, like I was in college and playing football, like it was awesome, like I used to schedule my classes at night, like our practice would be around noon, and like six am to ten, like I was up in North Jersey knocking down walls, putting an offers on pre foreclosures, driving neighborhoods, writing direct man letters and putting them in people's house, like their front doors, like I was really doing it. It was kind of cool getting that hands on experience and then in the classroom learning the terminology, but like in reality learning how to be an employee at one of the bigger commercial real estate firms. And when I was on the cardinals, like I was playing two grand a month for this place for rent, and so I mean like that whole house flipping thing was cool, but they after me and that girl broke up, like obviously, and that his to her dad's relationship ended y real estate. But when I got to the cardinals, even before the cardinals, like that January through April, when I was training at test football and Jersey, like it was about an hour, hour and a half commute every day for moment traffic and sour and hour and a half each ways, about three hours of driving, about an hour for lunch, and like during those four hours day I was always listening to real estate podcasts and audio books just grind it, like because I had that Oh crap moment like if this football stuff doesn't work out, like yeah, I'm going to be living back at home...

...with mom and Dad, like you know, saying like this, is it? Like I clearly put my Mba on whole ten credits to go like this, is it? Like you moved out of the House with the boys, like it was. I'm like, oh my gosh. That was when it really hit, is when I moved down to the sixty five thinking court. But that was when it hit. I was like yeah, like we're all in burning the ships, but like I was like no, I need to a need to have a fall back. So, deside of whatever city I was going to, I'm doing real estate and when I went to the cardinals went there, I made a post on this cyde called bigger pockets, like a real estate like a facebook for real estate, but they have like a form there like first state, first State, and I made a post introduced in myself and names I Kim. I'm a tight end for the cardinals, looking at network with other, you know, real estate investors. I want a house hack my first property here and Phoenix, and like house hacking is when you live in one unit and ran out the other units on like a multi family property using like an Fah loan, and that was what I did. I put made that post. Like thirty people responded, took them all out to coffee, you know, pick their brains like up and down, visited their properties, learn their so sops, like learned all their processes, everything, and I found like an awesome investors realtor and we found the Nice for plex in North Phoenix and I lived in one unit and ran out the other three units and live for free, like when I was with the cardinals. And then when I got cut, I took that unit that I was living in and have my manager are being be it and went to the lions and did the same exact thing the TUPLEX. Yeah, that's great. See, I don't even know all these stories. Before three four hand, like you were already doing it during college and stuff like that. That's right, it's I had to get young kind of. Some people like make announcements before they're about to do something. I like try and do it first. Yeah, I'll say I just did it. Yeah, now, yeah, I like that. So that makes all makes sense now. So you just had the passion already for Real Estate? Well, a while ago. Oh yeah, I had bugs since I was almost eighteen, nineteen, something I've always just wanted to do. And then it's it's coming in reality, which is amazing thing. Yeah, for sure. So, overall, you played for the Lions for two years and then you signed with the giants and November two thousand and eighteen, and then you're not true retirement, Februaryes. What did that decision? So in like December, going into the offseason, I realized, like I I even during the season. I'm realizing like some always never been like crazy passionate about football. I've already told you that. I was like someone who's passionate about football is and willing to quit their junior year of high school. Yeah, yeah, I'm saying, like I wasn't like the best, but I got was gonna play. I love basketball more than football, I guess, is what it is. And like I just saw football. I was just kind of like that. It was like event after event after event led to me going to the RFL. was literally my little brother It's like take advantage of this opportunity of a lifetime, like in the...

...lifetime, the opportunity that it won't be here forever. And it was like Haiti happened, and then it was like my coach telling me I could do it and then it was just like it was happening and I always still had that, like I said, entrepreneurial real estate bug, like it was something I needed and had to do it. In like my last season, I'm realizing like in my playbook, like I'm half of my playbook is, you know, Dallas Cowboys, you know, here's people to watch for, Sawn Lee this first in that person like watch out for, you know, these different fronts and all that. Then the other half of the page is, call this investor today, call this broker today. You know, I might have put some numbers on a property so I could kind of analyze it while I'm in meetings, because it's like I'm feel like I'm wasting so much time all day. And like I also had a baby back in August and they came down to like I had it had to be that way because, like I couldn't be the real estate investor. I wanted to be the dad. I wanted to be like the now I'm a speaker as well, speaker, I wanted to be in like also play football. I could getting all at up in terms of what is making me happy, what is giving me fulfillment versus what does everybody think I should be doing? And like football is what everybody thinks I should be doing. But it was just like it's not necessarily what was making me happy. It's not necessarily what was you know, I wouldn't say it was hold me back, because I think it was the most amazing stepping stool and just help me guide into where I wanted to go. And it was just like it was the time and like it wasn't like, you know, bodies hurting a little bit, and like it was. I'm not some people are puppeted by the League, like stuck by the League and can't physically retire because if they retire they can't pay their mortgage. They retire, they can't pay their car payment. They've just say can't sustain the lifestyle that they now have, you know, elevated their life too, because they're on this level and don't realize, you know, that money is not going to be there forever. And like having leveraged himself well, and you know, when you've leverage yourself and off well, like you can easily walk away where now you're not like a slave to that paycheck. Yeah, yeah, definitely mean exactly you just said, with the real estate and stuff and just making yourself happy. That's the ultimate goal right. Absolutely, and to be in that fact, to like being like a dad, like being able to like be with her every morning and like take her on a walk every single day and like see, like all the small things that happen every day that I'd otherwise miss, you know, when you're leaving at six in the morning and not coming back till five, dirty every day and like hungry, tired, and then she's only up for another hour, hour and a half before she goes to sleep. Like that's not what I see fatherhood as from me. Yeah, and I would say to I don't think like people, like in general or like fans or whatever, realize like the travel that pro athletes do in general and just if they have families or kids or whatever, like they don't. They they don't. Don't realize that they don't see him. And it's the moods. That's every yeah, we'll think you pretty don't think I feel. Yeah, and even if west coast team, every time you play on the East Coast, you're not leaving on Saturday, you even on...

Friday. Yeah, so you're seeing your kids last time. You know, Thursday night it was, and it's Thursday night and then you leave Friday morning for practice and then you literally get on a bus to go to the airport and then you're gone until Sunday night. Yeah, and then you say and you get back in the Monday of back at work and Tuesday you're off and then, if you got another way, game against Tuesday, Thursday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and it's like that's that's cool, and some people do that and, like you know, I have work and I grind and I take this but it's like that's just not like for me on an everyday basis. Yeah, definitely. Now going into your your video content, which I think is great and I've been seeing a lot of it and I've been seeing that Linkedin is killing it now, like everyone's. I think Linkedin is the move right now for content. That's kind of think it's kind of on the low right now, but I think it's gonna I think it's rising. It's rising right now. So what are your thoughts on Linkedin? I think linkedin is it is probably one of the best platforms out there, mainly because it has a best organic reach it's like how facebook was a couple years ago, like a decent amount of years ago, but it's it's unreal. It's actually wild. Like you don't eat like facebook instagram. Like to get some of that reach, like you need to, you know, maybe use instagram facebook ads, but like the Linkedin, if your drop solid content, you'll get a wildly amount of organic reach. Like my very first post on Linkedin like got like Seventyzero views and like I've freaked out, but it's like I thought instagram was gonna have like the way I can was right when I first started dropping content after I retired, and I thought like instagram and like was going to have like the most views, because like that was like really the only thing I've ever posted on. Like wow, I was playing in the league and I had like only three hundred, I think, connections and like after that post like had over a thousand connections and like seventyzero views and like got to be on a couple podcasts and like got a couple speaking engagements out of it and like it was really cool. Like wow, it proved itself. So now it's like double down on what it is. So now I'm trying to like with all the busy stuff I'm doing. Like I'm trying to drop more value add content to Linkedin, like stuff that's actually valuable, because he's like, some of my stuff isn't necessarily for Linkedin and you know, you got a kind of tailor your content whatever platform. You know, find whatever your content that goes to that platform. But like I'm trying to do some more written content and like some more like detailed like some of the stuff and deals that I've done, but like on like an actual x the nose and not on like just like a kind of a quick story, like me and you talking right now. Yeah, for sure, like even I knew they were testing out going live on Linkedin. So I don't think that's cool. Yeah, I don't think it's open. Yeah, I don't think it's open to the quote unquote public yet, but I'M gonna. I think it's gonna be really interesting because I think then's going to be like actual like business talks on Linkedin. Like why would would be more valuable than people just go...

...and live on instagram? While that's very true. All right, so what advice would you give someone that either wants to make NFL or is inspiring aspiring to be entrepreneur. I think the best thing is to be selfaware, know what you actually want and know why you're doing it. I do it because you want to do it. Don't do it because you know your family thinks it usually do it. Don't do it because your girlfriend thinks he's doing don't do it because your friends think you should do it. Like, do it because you want to do it and like, if you want to prove something to yourself, like don't do it because you to prove something to somebody else. Like do what you love. Like entrepreneurship is like something that's the new in right now. It's the thing that's cool. So, like, yeah, a lot of people are going to lose a lot of money and a lot of pride and a lot of self esteem because a lot of people are going to fail in entrepreneurship. Like everybody has else, like I have else in entrepreneurship, but it's about, like I said, being selfaware. Is it working? Like only time, I'll tell, in the content will tell. I give it your all, especially like NFL or, you know, NBA, or any type of professional athlete. It's a really comes down to those like cliche moments when you think no one's watching, really putting that work in and like doing those things that no one else is doing. Like when you find yourself in those moments doing something that somebody else isn't doing and you find yourself alone doing it, double down on it because that means you're really you're really up to something. I can remember when I was training and I used to start to do hands with like there's a quarterback coach, James Tony were actually ope and like he's now like I mean threw to me to my pro day, but he was training high school kids after like our, you know, Urch our training sessions, and started like seven, eight a test and we finished the like and thirty five, maybe, pitting on the day and depending on the workouts, and he would be training high school kids at like six, from like sixth to like eight quarterbacks, and he would catch for them and be coaching them. So I just volunteered to like catch for him and like that was every day. I catching a hundreds of hundreds of hundreds of high school balls. It didn't matter because I was still getting my hands better, but I realized I was the only one doing it. I was like all right, keep doing that, because it's those type of moments. It's it's that type of hard work. It's where the confidence comes in, where you can go back to when, like you're like, I can just visualize those moments, like when you're in preseason camp or you're in mini camp and like times get tough or like you might get a little bit down on yourself in terms of self confidence, like Oh man, I'm a really good enough to be here, and then you just go back in your mind like Nah, I remember those moments up with those hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of work and where it's like you can't beat that work, like that work is, it is what it is, like it's comes muscle memory at that point. So it's like it comes down to somewareness. That's what you want to do. That that's what it's going to take. It doesn't happen overnight. You know, twenty...

...six years. So what it's taken? Yeah, definitely. Are you ready for some fun questions? are going to go from an average to savage. All right, what's on your playlist? Oh, don't much music, because I got really to listen to like Garry these podcasts like all the time in a couple real estate podcast let me pull up my pull up my title real quick. I'll tell you. Or like any present songs right now? Nothing new. I'm always just listening into I just got a new record, lady lady by MISSAGA. It's amazing. I was listening some Kanye recently. I was some chance recently as actually listening to some Dave Matthews Band recently. All right, I'll take it. What about any good books you reading right now? Yeah, I'm reading it's called the delivering happiness by Tony Shay. It's a it's a really good book. It's it's about Tony say is. He's a guy who started Zappos. Well, I really started. He had an incubator and that was one of the companies are in the incubator and just kind of how he created that company. And he's also like a real estate investor, like he's one of the bigger multi family investors in Las Vegas. But he's like, I mean he's a multip you know, nine figer millionaire, and like he lives in an air stream, like in a parking lot, like in different parking months in Vegas. And I think it's like the coolest thing, but it's a really good book. Yeah, to check it out. What are three areas that you want to buy properties? And Kansas City, Tampa and Orlando. All right, any any specific reasons why? Yeah, the job growth in Kansas City is amazing. The population growth in Orlando is going by a thousand people week and Tampa kind of the same thing. That I for corridors on from Tampa to Orlando is that path of progress. And Tampa is a very beautiful market, but the real estate there is very underpriced and at compared to Orlando. I actually like Tampa better because it has compared to Orlando, Orlando's more has more of a touristy vibe, but Tampa actually has like a culture and like actual human five feeling to it. Got So yeah, I had to ask you to drop some moves. Gems, no doubt. And last one. What's harder playing football or being entrepreneur? MMM, playing football, playing football, definitely. Yeah, I thought you're others. Being Entrepreneur. Now it depends on between. But hard because this is it's more fun. Yeah, I like the challenges. Like football, it's just like you're doing it, but it's like cool am I doing this? For doing this for thirty two of the richest people in the world, like you know, I mean playing fantasy football, and it's like I guys...

...to be doing it for myself and it doesn't make it as hard when you're just like when you're having that self actualization and realization of what's actually going on. Yeah, I feel you. Well, I appreciate you coming on. Let the people know where they can follow you on social media. You find out instagram and twitter, Hawk Vallas, so HK vias in, victor a l es and the number eighty. That's instagram and twitter, and then linkedin. Just have keen balancet and like, I guess one of the coolest, not cool as one of the best quotes that I like is the fortune is in the follow up. Like people don't follow up with people, like especially like after podcasts, like I hear people s keep my people drop their socials or emails, like follow up because like you don't to talk to people. Yeah, for sure. I mean actually, one thing I've been preaching, like people always dm me about like how am I gett like say you or somebody on my podcast, and I'm just like, I'm just emailing them or damning and it's not like it's not a secret. It's like I'm just contact now. First were doing it pretty much well. I appreciate you coming on again and devil will definitely be in touch. Absolutely brother.

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