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Ivan Curtiss aka OG King Curt | Average To Savage EP107

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This is the one hundred and seventh episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring General Manager/Head Coach Nets Gaming Crew Ivan Curtiss aka OG King Curt. Paul Guarino talked with Ivan Curtiss discussing the current events in the world, his background from growing up in Ohio to joining the Navy, and his experience working in eSports. Follow Ivan Curtiss https://www.instagram.com/OGKingCurt This podcast interview with Ivan Curtiss was originally recorded August 27, 2020

This is the average Tis aveage podcast,with Paul Gorino everyone and anyone athletes soleptsand much more. It's OP everybody welcome back to another episode, theaverage savage podcast or special guest todayis Ivan Curtis Ak og kin, Kurtwhat'. What's going on a lot an a lot, you knows we wastalking previously. I mean it's good times, but it's some bad times too. So this happy to be here and thanks forhaving yeah for sure appreciate you coming on yeah, let's just before weeven go into your story. Let's just go into like how are you feeling right nowand like? What do you think you think there is going to be change like what'sgoing on in your head? At times I found myself all over thepolice. I mean it's. You know I want to. I folht, you knowyou focusing on yourself you focusing on your career, your family, friendsand different things like that, but you can't ignore a lot of thechanges that's going on in the world and some of us you know it's been existing. It's beenblanket of a litte and then boom. Here we are again, you know for a lot of people that seeenhop much older than me reliving, sometimes that they experience backforty fifty sixty years ago. So it's definitely a time I mean we've been dealing with apandemic and not only that, but just a lot of acts of violence, and it's just tough, I mean to otheinhale Oll Ling at once, with everything that's going on, and I somelot of us Saay out of our control yeah, definitely like what are what arewhat are some things that, like you would want to see? Change I mean just you know we talk about. You, know racism, social injustices anddifferent things in that nature, its just certain things that we get it. Weget two different versions, we'll see. You know we talk about criminals,criminal backgrounds, on different things like that, but we'll watch oneone person, Committa crime and you know pretty muchhand slap, not too much happens, but then we'll watch a person o colorcommit a similar or the same crime and h. You know it's their life ar they getthrown the book and it's like you know, that's where we're losingjustice and hope when our government officials and in everybody that thatcontrols- that I mean is, I think, that's the thing I mean I I'm not I'll, never advocate foranybody hat's doing wrong, whether it en black or white, but all I'm sayingis you know, treat to treat the crime th the same. I meani, you knowcriminals, a criminal doesn't matter what they look like, what color theyare or anything like that. But I mean Tus show us that everybody get the sametreatment. I mean we talk about a quality that can't just be for the good.There has to be for even things that happen, that that's that's, that's bad yeah yeah! Definitely I mean it's justlike I'm, not no expert on no police laws or anything, but it's just likethe kid that was just carrying the gun, just walking right by Thim, like that,doesn't make sense in general for anybody to do that. It oesn't thatthat's like thatt understand that I agree. I'm with you too. I mean I,wouldn't I don't have a law degree. I don't know H T I don't know everythingto and fro, but I know that it's Beeng kids of color that has been killed forless yeah and that's the only thing m yeah. Definitely I mean I definitelywant to do some research. On actual, I don't know if there is official rules,I guess an each state. There is different rules, I' 'm assuming forpolice, but so yeah. I definitely want educate myself on that. Just so I couldspeak on it more and not sound, possibly dumb yeah just and finish that off ise likethat's really. The key to me is its...

...first bringing awareness and then thenext thing is educating yourself and after educating finding a mutualunderstanding of what the situations are, and I think if we can do thatcollectively, then that's when we can start creating a change that M. I wouldlike to think most of the world wants to see yeah yeah. I think I don't onceagain. I think all the states have different gun laws and I think thosedefinitely have to be looked at, especially now right. I know that was adeep conversation, but going into your career. Just tell me a little bit aboutyourself. I know. Actually I thought you grew up in New York, but you justtold me previous thy. You grew up in Ohio, so tell me about a little bitlike growing up in Ohio and, basically how you got involved in gaming. Youknow I grew up in Davn Hio born one thousand nine hundred and seventy eightI'm. You know O G Wenojcan, Kurt Yeah, one of the the older figures, a in thegame in a communimy, especially Tok, started playing games as a young kid. You know I was a a athlete, but when Iwasn't hadpractice or playing games or working out or whatever I just love toplay, video games and I started out playing. I started out playing atory floppy dikgames, different things like that, and you know it grew over time andbasically the tk was born right when I graduated HighCho One thousand nine hundred and seventy eight nineteen o one thousandnine hundred and ninety seven and then I went off to the military and that'swhen I really got into gaming, because you know when I went to the navy was inthe engineer and worked as a machinist mate and when we wasn't working,everybody was playing like we was either playing cards dominoes. Somepeople play chess and then the infamous playstation, that's that was. That wasour console of choice. At the time t ink was a playstation two and weplayed live religiously over and over and then eventually, when dream castcame out, Tok became a game of choice and I played it heavy. I don't knowdischarge two thousand and one came home back to Ohio. You know my I was I was married at the time I gotmarried during the my Stanin, the military. Now, when I came back home just start, I got into nursing workedas a STNA F R for years, and but I still kept playing the game so fastforward to two thousand eleven. I think right when they started the crew modeof Tok, now mind you by thers, I don't convertit from dreamcast to Xbox, trand sixty didn't know anything about online gaming or nothing. Thed have axbox, goldor or nothing, and one night I had a it was n employed that I wastraining and he knew everything like he was a big time Gamer and in one night he taught me you knowhow to get online, how to do everything I needed to do ind to create a playerfor the Cruwmo, because, basically that was like one of the the big my playerMos. Where you develop your player, you can team up before other people andplay five five against other people. So he taught me everything I need to knowfrom that point. I started playing a line and then two thousand fourteen fifteen. They came out withthe Jordan Rixon and that's when it really kind of took off. I mean you hadmore access to creating your player.

You can all go into the wreck, meet upand play against other teams and different things like that, but it was organized leagues going onas well that a lot of people didn't know about, but I searched a lot of game forms anddifferent things like that. So I ended up Registerin one for one that I got agroup of guys together we was playing competitive wey in those leagues and Icame across another league where I met it now. Todays Day, one of my bestfriends, towine fairly known, is Lt in the Gameon community he's the the GMand coach for Maggg at a topme we crawl at fants. We started playing togetherand thenn one day out of the blue. He just said Curd I think I can. I can runa league better than all these leaves that's going on and I sai you do it. Hewas like yeah, I sai what you want to Callige said the MPBA, and I said:What's that staying for he said the Miclar Basketball Association and Isaid well, if you want to do it, you know I help you and I was working. Istarted working in the league initially that I started playing ind. He wasworking in the league that he was playing in, so we put both o our mindstogether, started the npba about two thousand and sixteen. It wasthe most Popular League of the plane, all the top players from game battles that play play game battles. They playTok at the PROAM level, because PROAM MOL really took off Fon two thousandand sixteen and from that point forward, they opene up a whole new world that we didn't. Even we never thought it would be now todaythat put me in position t both. I was in position in the first year, the NBATwo game me. We work with Buckgg as a draft anamyst, and that was a basicallylike our foot in the door with the TK league and thin the following year. He was hired by the MAGG and I washired by next DC, which is the Apily it of Brooklyn Net dad's dope. Well, let me take it backto you're in the navy like what was your overal experience like being inthe navy, so be honest, I loved it for Real, I mean you know, got to travel. The only thingabout it. I Don' Think I really used to complain about was that you get to goand see all these beautiful places, but if it's not with the people that, likeyou, really want to be with it, it kind of like it dos the experience a littlebit. But overall, just the experience that I gained is like something thatyou, like. You cant you can't by like you, I mean it's something that youjust go through and I just think it helped me a lot just being able to deal with a lot ofadversity, because it's a hot that holds on from time totime, and you have to be able, you know, ready to think on the spot, react on aspote and the one thing about it that I really loved about the unity that the military provided, because youwill find yourself in situations that can be a mount of life and death, and at that point it doesn't matterwhat what color you are whatwhat race. What nationality you going to bandtogether to make sure you all safe and because I'll tell you the funny funny experience I m. I went throughboot. Camp Went Tho, a school went to the fleet. I was on the USS Pona LPDfifteen. Don't ask me how I remember that, but it's something I think I'llnever forget we were. We were going out on our first, our first run and first appointment andwe have the fire drill and during this fire drill everybody isrunning n, like it's mad chaos like and...

I'm young, like I'm eighteen, like I'mslike fresh. So I'm looking around I'm panicking and everything and trying to hurry up and get dressed andthen at the end of it I didn't get dressed in t amount of time that yousthat it actually takes that you post to get dressed in, but I was like afterwards. I asked one ofthe chiefs and I was like man like you know. Why does everybody have toshoot up like I wasn't? I was in engineer and I wasn't a fie fireman,because you know you hade firemen onthe the ship and he said Curtis when youout on the water there's no fire department coming to save you. I said Aidamn, you right like it. Likeyou know, I'm young, I I wasn't thinking an I because I'm the thingingI'm talking about clerks, everybody was sooting up, getting ready, t fight thefire and I'm thinking like Wel. We got fire, remember it's like no, it's allhands on Dat, rigke and so like that type of unity and experiences anddifferent things like that, as definitely translated into a large partof my work ethic. In my my mindset, far asworking together with other people eah for sure I mean yeah that I mean tthose are definitely dope stories like yeah. What did what did that teachyou and like? How did that develop you into like the person you are tothat. I nasially, like you, know, O in lifelike you're, going to deal with a lot of shit like it's. A lot of things aregoing to be thrown your way and how you respond. Most of the time determineswhether you receive what you're looking for andand sometimes that you don't and I think for me. I learned to really deal with thingsmore on a a logical level and really I try to pride myself on thinking situations out thoroughly before Ireply a react and I think that's one of the qualities that I think a lotof people who do happen to like me. That's one thing because I'm prettymuch always in the up and up and I'm pretty flat line, like I mean think, alot of times my demeanor, you know that lay back nows Toli andthen you have my voice. A lot of people think like Heon Real. He don't carhemust don't care or whatever. But that's not. The caseis just I think, as I'm getting older. I just I'm, try not to stretch myselfout now. It's a clichces term that we us in the TK community, but its it'suniversal, is just control what you can control and that's really what I try tofocus on. I mean if, if I don't, if I can't, if, if I, if I only do what I can doand I mean and that's pretty much a lot, the cod that I live by definitely yeah. Definitely feell youon that, like just like talking calmly and so becausepeople sometimes are like Y. AH, why aren't you excited or like? Why are youI'm just like I'm just chiling like I don't don't know just a way I talked like. I don't know.If you want me to talk differently, you want mo be real or, like you don't meedto be like fake. I don't understand right now. I agree it sit. Sometimes I talked to my sister, a lot who's,also our social media manager, and I say man. I think when Ilook at myself on camera. Look I look so dead and boring. Sometimes, but it'slike Yeah Carr. You do sometimes, but the message is the is the key and you know I just take it and row with it. No basically, I I already could telljust your personality just by base on your tweets and just like just supporting everybody, prettymuch yeah. I think I just think it's important like I mean,like I mentioned to you earlier, I mean like I don't understand why they sohappy so hard for people to be happy for one another theyget t along. I mean, I think, what we do sometimes as people as we try tocontrol the feelings and actions of others instead of under instead ofseeking understand me, I'm more. When I...

...see somebody, maybe you know lashingout or or you know or anything like that, I'm trying to figure out. Youknow what's wrong bike. What are the reasons for them doing that, and Ithink once you do that, then you can have a a mutual understanding betweeneach other, yeah yeah. Definitely yeah. I thinkthat's one reason why I like doing the podcast, because I like asking people alot of questions like even before, like I always knew you from doing the showwhere Werney, but I was just like, oh who are these guys and then you know,look them up and research, and then I was like oh he's, like it's dope. Likehe's the coach of the nets, gaming team and GM, so actually going into that, Iknow Y. U how you! I know. You already told me like how you got a boat. Sowhat do you got? What like explain to me that people don't know like? What'syour job description for that man, I it's a long list, but in shortterms it's basically, I am responsible for the everyday actions and functionsfor NEXDC. You know I assist with partnerships and management between you knowobtaining and dealing with brands and getting sponsore O stips from ESGCresponsible for the team, of course, and selecting players managing thoseplayers and just overall building the NSGC brand and making sure that theplayers are getting or provided the best of what they need in order forthem to perform. You know that comes from down so likeits terms of select e housing, they the youknow they, the players that we draft they move in our market area here inNew York that provided with housing for the six months. It's perks involved, I mean here andthere with you, know, team dinners. Obviously, if the world was in normalrotation at would attend, Games concerts and sometimes as much asBoxang matches different things, that's all provided at the Barclay Center andeven some of those things beyond helping them. You know just overall, we have a PRstamp that provides media training for them. Youknow when they get interviews and and different things to that nature.Obviously Whyo and cony is the assistant general manager. He assistesme as well every day, and he, like I mentioned, he's also thesocial media manager. So he creates a lot of the content, make sure theplayers are in tune with what he wants and needs for our team, because contentis a big thing in e sports ays. You may know so that's the attractive piecethat we have that's appealing to a lot of our sponsors, because it providesthat visual engagement for their product. So I'm just a lot of things ofthat nature, but it's just if anything that has the says an ASJC, I'm not toofar away from a providing a service for it, and what about does it? Does it worklike a regular sceme, where you could? Could you trade players, yeah yea, youDow, obviously like you could trade your game, your your players, yeah, I mean I'V forthose who may not be familiar with the NBA Two K. Lee is, you know it', six,six person rosters could be male or female. If they, you know happen to bedrafted, but they control their own players. Five five. They you know theyplay as their own Avatar. So it's physically a person. So yes trades. Wedo have a traye windows. Obviously the pandemic effecthat a lot of that thisyear, but you givin. We are given assets, a certain number of assets andwe can use those assets, toards trades and different things in that nature. Soyeah is basically the virtual form, OT NBA,...

...just it's just so crazy to me becauseit's like you know growing up. It's, like I awouys say like like the ESPORTS,has blown up so much, but just like growing up on your parents, Il Iou likeget off the video games, and now it's like the actual career Ali. Well,imagine me yeah. I know I was thirty five when everything gotthe kick cooking for me and I was a high school basketball coach. I workedat. I worked as a STNA for thirteen years, but then, in between, I was amanager at a group home for three years, so I was still actively like doing alot of different things. While I was running or gaming and leagues andtournament, so I was you know, I was always doingsomething still making sure I was providing income and taking care of myfamily, but gaming was just something that never it never died in me. I justkept it inme in it, and here we are like I said, a lot of people was likeman. All you do is play the game like they didn't realize. I was running yeaha tournament and the Sircit they thought I was just sitting thereplaying all day long and once they seen, I made it basically to the NBA that waslike now they take it. Serieus like it's no longer a joke, so did you everthink? Did you ever think this was possible like to basically have videogames esports like as a full time job? No, like I mean with the no inever. Never like I mean it's cre,I still like I say every day or every other day I wake up and I'm like. Ican't believe I can't believe it like I mean I literally can't believe it. Imean the experiences that I had the people I get to work with, I'm that Ican't even tell you the countless knowledge that I've gained sinceworking for NBA Organization, N and just what I love about Brooklyn. I canonly speak about Berthan and this is no knock to any other organization oranything, but all I know is broken and what I love is that everybody workstogether to get the job like an any CA. I spoke about that earlier with mymilitary experience and that's literally what it is I mean you know wehave a lot of things. You know I love our partnership team because they aretheir gogitters and you know we brainstorm. We come up with a lot ofgood concepts and they go out and and make things happen and theyar large part of our. You know oursuccess and what we look for and building a brand. So you know thiscountless guys. You Know Mick Hany, you know SEF pat, you know Jeff Ryan, like you know they all play apart. You know even pr with Rachel Kirstin and I mean like they. Everybodyplays Thei report and helping Mesgcb what it is, and I just love it tha ast yeahwhat. What advice would you give to a Gamer that wants to be a professionalgamer? Who I mean, I think you know? Obviouslyour league- you have to be at least eighteen years or or eighteen years oldand have graduatewaited or eighteen years old and your graduating class hasgraduated. You know it's it's a amateur leagusthat are that go on and are being played, the biggest part of the qualificationfor a Tok League Day every year the first part of the qualificationsnormally typically go out an. I don't know how it's Goingta go this year, sojust bear with me, but this has been standard protocol since the League itstarted, it'll go out normally, like November you'll have a certain time frame tocomplete whatever the qualifications are, and that's on PS, you knowplaystation or Xbox, then once you do that complete that then you'll be given atab to compete in the combine and in...

...the combine is qualifications where youhave to play at least a minimum number of games. They take that Ind. Basically, you know this is the part where it getsa little tricky. You do that it doesn't guarantee you a spot in TA draft pool,but what it does is makes you eligible to be selected for the draft Po, soyou'll complete that your get an interview from the League andbeen you're going to a pool of players in nobody knows the algorithm hits used,but they'll cycle, all those players that compete it and eventually they'llpull. You know a hundred and fiften the two hundred players out of that pooland it'll make you draft eligable. I know the past season. It was a hundred,I think it was like two hundred fifty players and then theyreduced it down to a hundred and fifteen players somewhere in that area and that that was the draft who plus the players who don't getprotected ore retained from the following teason and that's: What'sthat's what completes Arour Drapp? It's the new up and the new income emplayers,plus the players who are not retained or protected from thefollowinces. So are these players? Is there onlylike one year contracts or there's multi multiyear contracto, just sixmonths, Ko six month, cotracks, okay, so like every year, the team couldpossibly be new. Yes, okay, you can you now it's two phases in the offseasonlike we're, obviously in our offsers and now for us, but you Wul have your protection periodbefore the Expansogram, for you can keep. You can keep up to two two to threeplayers. If you choose minimum to and then you have a phase after that isretainment where those players who wasn't drafted in a expansion gram,they can go back. You can go back and resign. Those players, if you choos andif not then they would they just go back into they'll GOINGTO, the draftpool for the upcoming season. I gotya yeah. It's see, that'sinteresting, yeah. I didn't know what the what the contract and stuff are likelike that, so that's dop to know you can keep now. Let me add to thatyou can keep. You know, upte three to four players. Once you get to thatthird and four player, what you do is you lose draft picks for the upcoming draftOaman and it's changing every year, so I'm just speaking vaguely on it, but I like it. It's became more realistic,so yeah worhow many teams are there right now. Tweanty three teams istwenty: Two NBA affiliated teams and we have ourfirst Nin North American team this year in ging from Chanka. Okay, that's o!You think the other teams are going to get one like the other. NBA teams aregoing to get teams, I believe so, but if they don't it'sbeen shown that it's a vast interest of esports organizations, that'sa lookingto get a team in a twk leaue. Now, what about can these players be on, like oneof those like clans to or no yeah? It's a lot of hite's a lot ofplayerers, a in e league that are in clans. I mean obviously mis. You know by therin season it's a lot of thingsthat they can't do tradition traditionally, but in he olsy,then a lot of them go back and play with each other and different stuff.Like that, I got you see, I'm new O. All this is Ol. I got ta ask thequestions. Oh No, I ask white all right. So are you ready for theaverage of savage questions there fun questions? Let's do it...

...all right? I guess so I usually askd this, but whowould who would you want to do like a Jersey, e Sports Jersey swap with any like any like clan or like any TKteam? Anything. I never thought about that. That's aninteresting question. I guess I mean I keep it relative to mysport because it is some people that I look up to I mean one of our bettercoaches. In the Tooth Day, League is Jeff Terail for known as White Kite he's t, the headcoach and General Manager for seventy six O GC and he's been one of the mostsuccessful cultures in the league. So I guess, if I had to do a swapit, probably be with him a what about what about the NBA? You know what, ironically, I want to doa jersey, so I with care slabert because he he's from Ohio too, and we both weboth employed for Bretklay and I haven't met them yet. So that would bea perfect, perfect person. So I know we talked about a lot of stuff, but what'ssomething that people don't know about you that all right, poetry, Thinki, thinkyeah, I think that's I think I've been contemplating whether I was going to dosome spoken word on o might be one of my podcast or something like that. Butas definitely I got it from my mom, my mom was a poet. You know she died when I was young, butI got to read a lot of her work and she was. She was pretty deep, so yeah yeah. That's Tope Se, that's it! Idon't know. I don't know if that's exclusive, but now it is, you know whatit's fun I've. Never I just was thinking about that I've. Never, Iguess, got tha. I'm isuper satisfied now. EAH Like I was thinking like ou all theinterviews and everything I've done. Li Iv never said that Anyo. What about?What's your favorite Song Right now, I'm a Arrm, big guy, believe it or not. Well, actually, most people probablywould think I probably aren't b but SAMMI has a song called peace that Ilike it's a nice little love ballit my favorite soon right now I'll take it.So I make a playlist with all the people' songs that people say, let'sDOP YEA soll be on there now. What's about? What's what happens in O spotof?I I got it. I got I out IIT since I don't know episode something buteighty something, but I got so. I got UPDATD O go well last one you could. Ifyou want to answer it or not. My last question usually is thateverybody is. You have any questions for me or a question. Yeah, of course I would you know you, you Manageit, you manage a nice rosterlike I mean, and you know, one of them is my fan, favorite, obviously Bena,and it's like, like I just like how did you come across the majority of the people that youmanage like h? What was that interaction like basically off social media? I mean Istarted my brand in two thousand and eleven just as a twitter page and hand,I got into the clothing and then that's pretty much how I was doing influenceor marketing before I influence an marketing was even a term which is likepretty funny, because I wasn't. I just thought about it, like pretty much likelast year that that was what I was doing, even though I knew what I wasdoing, but I didn't you know, I'm saying, like the that word, wasn'tdoing her a title yeah, so so that and then just build relationships fromthere and...

...yeah. Then pretty much was doing stufflike like this and getting people interviews, and I didn't realize thatwas like a job. Basically, so it was like yeah. So it was like Iwas like helping them out, ot tha didn't even I mean I knew I was helpingthem, but I didn't know that could be a career path. Basically Sei love hit, I mean for me, you know I'm single. Now I used to I'veused. I've been married twice last my last marriage. She it used to be funny and we AIN'mind JI'm still friends and we still cool with all of them. So we still talka lot and but one of the things that we used to go back and forth about it. Sheused to be like you know, my neg name was Chunky. She say Chunkylike you, only do stuff that that you get at like you, don't you don't doanything to like Challengin I used to be like likethat sound, pretty smart to me. IIsaid I yeah, so you want me to go out and struggle and the try to pease youlike I'm Li. So what I'm saying in time is like I've always believed haoperation, W I rit of passion and what You Love O. do I swear to this day. I have not, since I left the military,not saying I was dissatisfied with the MILITAA I loved every second while Iwas in, but when I got out. I told myself to I told myself a few things said: one I'm never going to work firstshift because getting up at four three four in the morning was not it so when I got out, I only did work that I wanted to do and I've been doing that every since soit's like you know some, because my fink was youcan get a job that pays more money, you hate it or you can get a job, an you truly loveand you can work double triple and it won't fase you because you love doingit then you'll make up the money on the back in and that and that system isworkd for me, probably doesn't work for everybody else, but I mean, but for methat's been one of my Keids to success. I honestly believe it tat. No, Itotally feel you on that, because I I've taken free, Lanch jobs where it'slike. Maybe it's more money, or maybe it's less money, but it's like what Ilike to do so I don't really care because it's like I'm doing it and itdoesn't. I mean that but then sometimes I'm thinking I'm like how am I gettingpaid this much and only this much for this, but it's like I mean ther'restill dope thing, so it's like whatever and the other thing. I don't know ifpeople ever tell you this, but a lot of people always tell me like why youdoing so many different things like I don't and there and there art yuse. Youfocus on one thing and I'm like absolutely not like I'm not focusing onone thing: I don't I don't get that either and I wa literally in only I'monly saying that, because somebody just dm me the other day when I posted, likeall the things I do, and they said why aren't you focusing on one thing I think throughout time we've beentalked to we've been talkd to think and do things that are completely inaccurate.I mean for me, like I said I mean when I was younger.I had no clue of what I wanted to do, but internally I felt like I can dowhatever I wanted. I just didn't know that what I wanted to do, but I fellike I had some great traits that would allow me to be successful one daydidn't know what it would be. I always thought I was great at organizing goodat managing things, and that was one of the particular things about our GaminLeague and tournament that it was completely organized and Instructur nan, and I put that in everything I do so me. Personally, I knew one day I wantedte podcast. My thing is: sometimes it just about timing and different things,but other than that I just wil. Let Man, I don't ask a lot of questions and Isae like an you jus. I can feel you the same way you just if you want to do it,you do it and you learn. You learn along the way I mean, and that's trulywhat I've been doing. I mean, I think I...

...tribute growth to everything I dobecause a lot of projects I start they may not start out the best, but Iguarantee is it as the momentum picks up. It gets better and better with time.Yeah n the PODCAST is a perfect example, because literally everybody has one now true I mean true, I think the thingabout it for me, you know I started doing the og two cents. Statements on twitter, Ey vastly tookoff and I've been doing it for almost two years now about. Let's see thething about it for me and being a little stratetic, because that I didn'tstart doing the podcasts right away. I said once I seen het picking my Mentam.I say you know what people want to. They probably want to know what I meanbout, what I'm tweetning you know on twitter. You can't really. You can'treally tell you can't you don't have it's not a enough time in a day to tellpeople exactly everything an how you feeling when you tweet it o? I said ifI do it in a show platform, then people would truly get an understanding F.What I'm talking about yeah a definitely Al Right. Last one bonusquestion WHO's. Your dream interviewed toget on your podcast. It's a lot! You know what I mean. I'm Gonno keep the in housebecause it's some people that just truly impress me like. I mean our owner, Jo Sa, like II, because Iwatch the work that he does and and I've had. You know he was at the Christmas party that we had and obviously you see it tolike everybody, but you don't get to talk to everybody, but he gave a a talk and he told a story and it really like spoke volumes to me. Ilike somebody who has an extreme amount of wealth and obviously knowledge, butto still kind of make you feel like he's rightlyside and like when you canhave that type of impact with the wealth and knowledge and power that hecan possess. Then, like that's intriguing to me, yea like I meanbecause you don't always find at it an everybody who has what he as but yeah.I think that's and then right next to him Shin marksbecause he's actual GM in the t in the NBA- and I just want to love like whatgoes on in he mindset of somebody who's actually doing it on the physical levelversus me doing it on the virtual nap yeah yeah, that's yeah, thatould, bethat would be dope. That's T thatw'll be connecting the nomer world in theold world. I'm working on itill happen. Well, I appreciate you coming on andcould Yo wit the listeners know where they coul follow you at 'Ogkn, Kirt, O twitter, instagram andfacebook. You can also follow the podcast on Instagram, twitter andfacebook at OJ two cents podcast. I again appreciated and well good luck.Next season, apersatev person, I know yeah, you got the Congrats, you gotrenewed right, yeah and I'm breaking this lap on Tyou show, because Iactually just a and you know what and it's you can all kind of all kind ofbonuses here, because it was this day last year that I renew so boom. Here weare.

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