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Ivan Curtiss aka OG King Curt | Average To Savage EP107

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This is the one hundred and seventh episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring General Manager/Head Coach Nets Gaming Crew Ivan Curtiss aka OG King Curt. Paul Guarino talked with Ivan Curtiss discussing the current events in the world, his background from growing up in Ohio to joining the Navy, and his experience working in eSports. Follow Ivan Curtiss https://www.instagram.com/OGKingCurt This podcast interview with Ivan Curtiss was originally recorded August 27, 2020

This is the average to savage podcast with Paul Greno everyone in anyone, athletes seeps, and much more so up everybody. Welcome back to another episode the average savage podcast. Or special guests, today's Ivan, Curtis, Akao, G Kn Kirk. What's going on? A lot and had a lot, you know, as we was talking previously, I mean it's good times, but it's some bad times too. So, but this happy to be here and thanks for having yeah, for sure appreciate you coming on. Yeah, let's just before we even going to your story, let's just go into like how are you feeling right now and like what do you think? You think there is going to be changed, like what's going on in your head? At times I found myself all over the police. I mean it's you know, I want to fall. You know, you focusing on yourself, you focusing on your career, your family, friends and different things like that, but you can't ignore a lot of the changes that's going on in the world and some of us, you know, it's been existing, it's been blanketed a little and then boom, here we are again. You know, for a lot of people that's even hope. Much older than me reliving sometimes that they experience back forty, fifty, six years ago. So it's definitely a time. I mean we've been dealing with a pandemic and not only that, but just a lot of acts of violence and and it's just tough, I mean it to the inhale, all in at once, with everything that's going on and in something a lot of us at Ay out of our control. Yeah, definitely, like what are what what are some things they like you would want to see you change. I mean just you know, we talked about, you know, racism, social in justice is in different things that that nature. It's just certain things that we get it we get two different versions. We'll see, you know, we talk about criminals, criminal backgrounds and different things like that, but we'll watch one, one person commit a crime and, you know, pretty much hand slap, not too much happens. But then we'll watch a person to color commit a similar or the same crime and, you know, it's their life. Are they get thrown the book, and it's like, you know, that's where we're losing justice and in hope and our government officials and in everybody that that controls that. I mean it's I think that's the thing. I mean, I I'm not, I'll never advocate for anybody's doing wrong, whether they're black or white, but all I'm saying is, you know, treat the treat the crime the same. I mean it, you know, criminal is a criminal, doesn't matter who, what they look like, what color they are, anything like that. But I mean to show us that everybody get the same treatment. I mean we talked about a quality. That can't just be for the good. There has to be for even things that happened that that's that's that's bad. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean it's just like, I'm not no expert on no police laws or anything, but it's just like the kid that was just carrying the gun, just walking right by. I'm like, that doesn't even make sense in general for anybody to do that. Doesn't that. That's like I don't understand that. I agree. I'm with you too. I mean I wouldn't. I don't have a law degree, I don't know that, I don't know everything to and fro, but I know that it's been kids of color that has been killed for less. Yeah, and that's the only thing. Yeah, definitely. I mean I definitely want to do some research on actual I don't know if there is official rules. I guess in each state there is different rules, I'm assuming for police. But so, yeah, I definitely want to educate myself on that just so I could speak on it more and not sound possibly dumb. Yeah, just and finish...

...that off is like that's really the key to me is first bringing awareness and then it makes things educating yourself and, after educating, finding a mutual understanding of what the situations are, and I think if we can do that collectively, then that's when we can start creating a change that I would like to think most of the world wants to see. Yeah, yeah, I think I don't know. Once again, I think all the states have different gun laws and I think those definitely have to be looked at, especially now right. I know that was a deep conversation, but going into your career, just tell me a little bit about yourself. I know actually I thought you grew up in New York, but you just told me previously you grew up in Ohio. So tell me about a little bit like growing up in Ohio and basically how you got involved in gaming. You know, I grew up day. Know how I born one thousand nine hundred and seventy eight, I'm, you know, Ogg King Kirk. Yeah, when it is the older figures as in the game, in a community, especially to K. started playing games as a young kid. You know, I was at an athlete, but when I wasn't at practice or playing games or working out or what whoever, I just love to play video games and I started out playing. I started out playing Tori, floppy, this game's different, things like that, and you know, it grew over time and basically the K was born right when I graduated high school in Nineteen and seventy eight, nineteen one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven, and then I went off to the military and that's when I really got into gaming because, you know, when I went to the navy, I was in the engineering worked as a machinist mate, and when we wasn't working, everybody was playing, like we was either playing cards, Domino's, some people play chess, and then the infamous playstation. That's that. That was our console of choice at the time. It was a playstation too, and we played live religiously over and over and then eventually, when dreamcast came out, to k became a game of choice and I played it heavy. Honorable discharge two thousand and one. Came home back to Ohio. You know my I was. I was married at the time. I got married doing a my stint in a military and when I came back home, just start I got in the nursing worked as a STNA for four years and but I still kept playing the game. So fast forward to two thousand and eleven, I think, right when they started the crew Molde of K. now, mind you, by there I don't convert it from dreamcast to xbox three hundred and sixty. Didn't know anything about online gaming or nothing. Didn't have a xbox gold or nothing. and One night I had an it was employee that I was training and he knew everything, like he was a big time Gamer, and in one night he taught me, you know, how to get online, how to do everything I needed to do and to create a player for the crew mo because basically that was like one of the big my player modes where you develop your player, you can team up before other people and Play v five against other people. So he taught me everything I needed to know. From that point I started playing online and then two thousand fourteen fifteen, they came out with the Jordan rex in and that's when it really kind of took off. I mean you had more access to...

...creating your player. You can all go into the wreck meet up and play against other teams and different things like that. But it was organized leads going on as well that a lot of people didn't know about. But I searched a lot of game forums and different things like that. So I ended up registering one for one. I got a group of guys together. We was playing competitively and those leagues and I came across another league where I met a now to this day, one of my best friends, Tawan, fairly known as lt in the game and community. He's the GM and coach for a MAG Gig at a k league. We Cross fast, we started playing together and then one day out of the blue, he just said, curd, I think I can. I can run a league better than all these leaves that's going on and I see you do it. He was like yeah, and I said where you want to college? said the MPBA and I said what's that stand for? He said that my Claire Basketball Association and I said well, if you want to do it, you know I help. You know, I was working, I started working in the league initially that I started playing and he was working in the league that he was playing in. So we put both of our minds together. Started the MPBA about two thousand and sixteen. It was the most popular league to playing all the top players from game battles that play play game battles, that play k at the prom level, because pro am really took off in two thousand and sixteen and from that point forward opened up a whole new world that we didn't even we never thought it would be now today. That put me in position, put both of us in position. In the first year the NBA K League, we work with Bucks Gig as a draft antalyst and that wasn't basically like our foot in the door with the k league, and then the following year he was hired by the Maria Gig and I was hired by NEXTGC, which is the affiliate that a Brooklyn Nets. That's dope. Well, let me take it back to you're in the navy like. What was your experience like being in the navy? To be honest, I love it for real. I mean, you know, you got to travel. The only thing about it I only think I really used to complain about was that you get to go and see all these beautiful places, but if it's not with the people that like, you really want to be with, it, it kind of like it does the experience a little bit, but overall, just to experience that I gained, it's like something that you like. You, you can you can't buy like you. I mean, it's something that you just go through and I just think it helped me a lot, just being able to deal with a lot of adversity, because it's a lot that goes on from time to time and you have to be aver, you know, ready to think on the spot, react on the spot. And the one thing about it that I really loved about the unity that the military provided, because you will find yourself in situations that can be about our life and death and and at that point it doesn't matter what, what color you are, what, what race, what nationality, you're going to band together to make sure you all safe. And because, I'll tell you the funny, funny experience. I went through blue camp, went through a school, went to the fleet, I was on the USS Pins, a LPD fifteen. Don't ask me how I remember that, but it's something I think I'll never forget. We were we were going out on our our first our first run in first deployment in we have the fire drill and during this fire drill everybody is running. I like, it's mad has like and I'm young, like I'm eighteen, like I'm...

...like fresh. So I'm looking around, I'm panicking and everything and trying to hurry up and get dressed. And then at the end of it, I didn't get dressed in amount of time that you that it actually takes the that you supposed to get dressed in. But I was like, afterwards, I asked one of the chiefs and I was like, man, like, you know, why does everybody have to suit up like I wasn't I was an engineering I wasn't a FI fireman, because you know you have fireman on the ship. And he said, Curtis, when you out on the water, there's no fire department coming to save peace. Said I said Said, Damn, you right, like it. Like you know, I'm young, I I wasn't thinking and like, because I'm thinking, I'm talking about clerks. Everybody was souping up, getting ready to fight the fire, and I'm thinking, like what we got fireman, but it's like now it's all hands on deck, like and so like that type of unity and experiences and different things like that has definitely translated into a large part of my work ethic in my my mindset far as working together with other people, for sure. I mean yeah, I mean that those are definitely dope stories, like yeah, what did what did that teach you in like how did that develop you into like the person you are to that it's basically like you know you in life, like you're going to deal with a lot of Shit, man like. It's a lot of things are going to be throwing your way and how you respond most of the time determines whether you received what you're looking for or in and sometimes that you don't. And I think for me I learned to really deal with things more on a logical level and really I try to pride myself on thinking situations out thoroughly before I reply. I react, and I think that's one of the qualities that I think a lot of people who do happen to like me. That's one thing, because I'm pretty much I always going to oupen up and I'm pretty flatline, like. I mean think a lot of times my demeanor, you know, that laid back nowst line, and then you add my voice, a lot of people are think like he don't really don't care, he must don't care, or our whatever, but that's not the case. Is just I think as I'm getting older, I just try not to stress myself out. Now it's a Cliche, is term that we use in the Kake community, but it's it's universal. Is just control what you can control, and that's really what I try to focus on. I mean if, if I don't, if I can't, if I, if I, if, I only do what I can do and I mean and that's pretty much about the code that I live by. It definitely, yeah, definitely feel you on that. Like just like talking calmly and because people sometimes they're like Yeh, why are't you excited, or like why are you? I'm just like, I'm just chilling, like I don't I don't know. The Way I talk like I don't know. You want me talk differently. You want me to be real or like you want me to be like fake. I don't understand right now. I agree. It's sometimes I talk to my assistant a lot, who's also our social media manager and I say man, I think when I look at myself on camera, I look I look so dead and born sometimes, but it's like yeah, cure you do sometimes, but the message is the is the key, and you know, I just take it in a row with it. Now, basically, I already could tell you your personality just by based on your tweets and just like just supporting everybody pretty much. Yeah, I think I just think it's important, like I mean, like I've mentioned to you earlier. I mean like I don't understand why it's so happy, so hard for people to be happy for one another they get along. I mean I think what we do sometimes, it's people, is we try to control the feelings and actions of others instead of under instead of seeking understand me, I'm more when I see somebody...

...maybe, you know, lashing out or our you know, or anything like that, I'm trying to figure out, you know, what's wrong, but I what are the reasons for them doing that, and I think once you do that, then you can have a mutual understanding between each other. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, I think that's one reason why I like doing the podcast, because I like asking people a lot of questions like even before, like I always knew you from doing the show or renee, but I was just like, Oh, who are these guys? And then, you know, look them up and research and then I was like, oh, he's liked's dope, like he's the coach of the next gaming team and GM. So actually going into that, I know you how you I know you already told me like how you got it Bot. So what do you guys? What they explain to me that people don't know, like what's your job description for that? Man, it's it's a longlist, but in short terms it's basically I am responsible for the everyday actions and functions for NEXTGC. You know, I assist with partnerships and management between you know, obtaining and dealing with brands and getting sponsorships from NEGC responsible for the team, of course, and selecting players, managing those players and just overall building the NESTGC brand and making sure that the players are getting are provided the best of what they need in order for them to perform. You know, that comes from down to like his terms of selecting housing. They do you know, they the players that we draft. They move in our market area here in New York. That provided with housing for the six months. It's perks involved, I mean here and there with, you know, team dinners. Obviously, if the world was in normal rotation, that would attend games, concerts, is sometimes as much as boxing matches, different things. That's all provided at the Barclay Center and even some of those things beyond helping them, you know, just overall, we have a PR staff that provides media training for them, you know, when they get interviews and different things that that nature. Obviously, hyl and Cooney is the assistant general manager. He assists me as well every day and he, like I mentioned, he's also the social media manager. So he creates a lot of the content. Make sure the players are in tune with what he wants and needs for our team, because content is a big thing in esports, as you may know. So that's attractive piece that we have that's appealing to a lot of our sponsors because it provides that visual engagement for their product. So just a lot of things that that nature. But it's just if anything, it that has this says in this GC I'm not too far away from providing the service for it. And what about does it do to work like a regular team where you could. Could you trade players? Yeah, yeah, you go obviously, like you could trade your game, your your players. Yeah, I mean, for those who may not be familiar with the NBA, to k League is, you know, a six, six person rosters could be male or female if they, you know, happen to be drafted, but they control their own players. V Five, they you know, they play as their own Avatar. So it's physically a person. So yes, trades. We do have trade windows. Obviously the pandemic effect that a lot of that this year. But you given we are giving assets and a certain number of assets and we can use those assets tours, trades and different things of that nature. So yeah, is basically the virtual form of the NBA. Just it just so crazy to...

...me because it's like, you know, growing up. It's like I would say like like the sports is blown up so much, but just like growing up on your parents sold you like get off the video games, and now it's like the actual career. Hey will imagine me? Yeah, I know. That's I was thirty five when everything got the kick cooking for me and I was a high school basketball coach. I worked that I worked as an STNA for thirteen years. But then in between I was a manager at a group home for three years, so I was still actively like doing a lot of different things. Means while I was running our game in it and leagues and tournament. So I was, you know, I was always doing something, still making sure I was providing an income and taking care of my family. But gaming was just something that never it never died. And me I just kept an me in it. And here we are. Like I said, a lot of people say, man, how you do is play the game. Like they didn't realize I was running, yeah, a tournament in League circuit. They thought I was just sitting there playing all day long, and once they seen I made it basically to the NBA, that was like now they take it serious like that. It's no longer a joke. So did you ever think, did you ever think this was possible, like to basically have video games, esports, like as a fulltime job? No, not, liar, I mean with the No. Never. Never, like I mean, it's crap. I still, like I said, every day or every other day, I wake up and I'm like, I can't believe I can't believe it. I got mean, I literally can't believe it. I mean experiences that I had, the people I get to work with, that I can't even tell you, to countless knowledge that I've gained since working for NBA Organization and and just what I love about Brooklyn. I can only speak about Brooklyn. I and this is no knock to any other organization or anything, but all I know is Brooklyn and what I love is that it everybody works together to get the job in any kind. I spoke about that earlier with my military experience, and that's literally what it is. I mean, you know, we have a lot of things. You know, I love our partnership team because they are there go getters and you know, we brainstorm, we come up with a lot of good concepts and they go out and make things happen and they are large part of our, you know, our success and what we look for and building a brand. So you know, it's countless guys. You Know Nick Haney, you know SEF pat, you know Jeff Ran. Like you know, they all play a part. You know pr with Rachel Kirston, and I mean like they everybody plays their part and helping mess GC be what it is and I just love that. That ass to and what advice would you give to a Gamer that wants to be a professional gamer? Who I mean? I think you know. Obviously our league you have to be at least eighteen years old, or eighteen years old and have graduated, or eighteen years old and you're graduating class has graduated. You know, it's it's amateur league's that are that go on and they're being played the biggest part of the qualification for the K league. They every year. You're the first part of the qualifications normally typically go out and I don't know how it's going to go this year, so just bear with me. But this has been standard protocol since the League get started. It to go out normally like November. You'll have a certain time frame to complete whatever the qualifications are, and that's on PS, you know, playstation or xbox. Then once you do that, complete that, then you'll be given a tab to compete in the combine, and in the combine its qualifications where you...

...have to play at least a minimum number of games. They take that in. Basically, you know, this is the part where it gets a little tricky. You do that, it doesn't guarantee you a spot in the draft pool, but what it does is makes you eligible to be selected for the draft pool. So you'll complete that, you'll get an interview from the League and then you're going to a pool of players and nobody knows that algorithm as used, but they'll cycle all those players that compete it and eventually they'll pool, you know, a hundred fifty, the two hundred players out of that pool and it'll make you draft eligible. I know the past season it was a hundred, I think it was like two hundred fifty players, and then they reduced it down to a hundred and fifty players, somewhere in that area, and that that was the draft pool plus the players who don't get protected or retained from the following season. And that's what's that's what completes are draft. It's the new up and the new incoming pointers, plus the players who are not retained or protected from the following season. So are these players are? Is there only like one year contracts? Are there's multi multi year contracts? Are just six months? CONT six month contracts? Okay, so like every year the team could possibly be new. Yes, okay, I'm you. Can't you now? It's two phases in the offseason, like we're obviously in our offseason now for us. But you have your protection period before they expansion graph where you can keep. You can keep up to two, two to three players, if you choose minimum to and then you have the phase after that is retainment. Were those players who wasn't drafted in the expansion graft. They can go back. You can go back and resign those players if you choose, and if not, then they would they just go back into their going to the draft pool for the upcoming season. I got you. Yeah, it's see, that's interesting. Yet didn't know what the what the contract and stuff for like like that. So that's dope to know you can keep. Now let me add to that. You can keep, you know, up the three to four players. Once you get to that third and four player, what you do is you lose draft picks for the upcoming draft. I mean, and it's changing every year, so I'm just speaking vaguely on it, but I like it. It's became more realistic. So Yeah, works. How many teams are there right now? Twenty three teams. It's twenty two NBA affiliated teams and we have our first nine North American team this year and ginge from Shanghai. Okay, that's so. You think the other teams are going to get one, like the other NBA teams are going to get teams? I believe so. But if they don't, it's been shown that it's a vast interest of esports organizations that's looking to get a team in the K league. Now, what about candies players beyond, like one of those like clans, to or now? Yeah, it's a lot of it's a lot of players are in the league that are in clans. I mean obviously it's you know, by are in season. It's a lot of things that they can't do. Yeah, traditional, traditionally, but in all season a lot of them go back and play with each other and different stuff like that. I got to see. I'm new to all this. That's how I got ask the questions. So not I ask a way. All right. So are you ready for the average of savage questions, the funny questions? A Hey, let's do it. All right, I guess so.

I usually ask this. But who? Who'd you want to do like a Jersey East Sports Jersey swap with any like any like clan or like any to K team? Anything? I remember thought about that. That's any resting question? I guess I mean I keep it relative to my sport because it is some people that I look up to. I mean one of our better coaches in to K League is Jeff Treill, for known as White Kite. He's the head coach and general manager for Sers GC and he's been one of the most successful coaches in the league. So I guess if I had to do a swap of probably with him. Or about what about the NBA? You know what, ironically, I want to do a jerseys when I would cares levert because, all right, he he's from Ohio to and we both we both employed for Brooklyn and I haven't met him yet. So that would be a perfect, perfect person. So I know we talked about a lot of stuff, but what's something that people don't know about you? That I write poetry. I think. I think. I think that this. I think I've been contemplating whether I was going to do some spoken word on maybe one of my podcasts or something like that, but it's definitely I got it from my mom. My mom was a poet, you know. She died when I was young, but I got to read a lot of her work and she was she was pretty deep. So yeah, yeah, let's dope see it. That's it. I don't know. I don't know if that's an exclusive, but now it is. You know what, it's fine. I've never I'll just was thinking about that. I've never I got I got that. I'm I'm super satisfied now. Yeah, like I was thinking like that all the interviews and everything I've done, but I've never said that anybody was that. What about what's your favorite Song Right now? I'm RMB guy, believe it or not. Well, actually, most people probably would think. I'm probably RMB, but Sammy has a song called peace that I like. It's a nice little love ballot. It's my favorite song right now. All, I'll take it. So I make a playlist with all the people's songs that people say. That's so. So be on there now. What's it on? What's up? What happens it on spotify? I got it. I got it. Get up it since I don't know, episode something. It eighty something, but I got so I got updated. Okay. Well, last one you could if you want to answer it or not. My last question usually is that everybody is you have any questions for me or a question yeah, of course I would. You know, you you manage it. You manage a nice roster, like I mean, and you know, one of them is my fan favorite, obviously, but May. And it's like how, like I just like, how did you come across the majority of the people that a two manage? Like what was that? Interactions like? Basically off social media. I mean I started my brand in two thousand and eleven just as a twitter page and then I got into the clothing and then that's pretty much I was. I was doing influencer marketing before influencer marketing was even a term, which is like pretty funny because I wasn't. I just thought about it like pretty much like a last year that at that was what I was doing, even though I knew what I was doing, but I didn't, you know, I'm saying like the that word wasn't doing have a title. Yeah, so, so that and then just build relationships from there. And Yeah, and then pretty much was doing stuff like like...

...this and getting people interviews, and I didn't realize that was like a job basically. So it was like yeah, so it was like I was like helping them out. Old I didn't even I mean, I knew I was helping them, but I didn't know that could be a career path, basically. So I of that. I mean for me. You know, I'm single now. I used to obvious. I've been married twice, last my last marriage. See, it used to be funny and we and mind you, I'm still friends and we still cool with all of them, so we still talk a lot. And but one of the things that we used to go back and forth about it she used to be like, you know, my nickname is chunky. She's say, Chunky, like you only do stuff that you good at, like you don't. You don't do anything that like challenging. And I used to be like that sound pretty smart that me. I said, like yet so you want me to go out and struggle and the try to appease you, like I'm like, so, what I'm saying in terms is, like, I've always believed in operation, creating of passion and what you love to do. I swear to this day I have not since I left the military, not saying I was dissatisfied with the military, that I loved every second while I was in, but when I got out I told myself to I told myself a few things so one, I'm never going to work first shift because getting up at three, four in the morning was not it. So when I got out, I only did work that I wanted to do and I've been doing that every since. So it's like, you know some because my thing was you can get a job that pays more money you hate it, or you can get a job at you truly love and you can work double, triple and it won't phase you because you love doing it and you will make up the money on the back end and that and that system is work for me. Probably doesn't work for everybody else, but I mean but for me that's been one of my keys to success. I honestly believe it did. Now I totally feel you on not because I've been I've taken freelance jobs where it's like maybe it's more money or maybe it's less money, but it's like what I like to do, so I don't really care because it's like I'm doing it and that doesn't I mean that. But then sometimes I'm thinking, I'm like, how am I getting paid this much and only this much for this? But it's like maybe they're still dope thing. So it's like whatever, and the other thing. I don't know if people ever tell you this, but a lot of people always tell me like why you doing so many different things, like I don't in there and there, I should focus on one thing, and I'm like absolutely not, like I'm not focusing on one thing. I don't. I don't get that either, and I've would literally in only. I'm only saying that because somebody just DM me the other day when I posted like all the things I do, and they said, why aren't you focusing on one thing? I think throughout time we've been taught, we've been taught to think and do things that are completely inaccurate. I mean for me, like I said, I mean it. When I was younger I had no clue of what I wanted to do, but internally I felt like I can do whatever I want it. I just didn't know that what I wanted to do, but I felt like I had some great traits that would allow me to be successful one day. Didn't know what it would be. I always thought I was great at organizing, good at managing things, and that was one of the particular things about our Gaming League and tournaments that it was completely organized, instructured in and and I put that in everything I do. So me personally, I knew one day I wanted to podcast. My thing is sometimes just about timing and different things, but other than that, I just let many I don't ask a lot of questions and I see like you just I can feel you the same way. You just if you want to do what you do it and you learn. I'll you learn along the way. I mean, and that's...

...truly what I've been doing. I mean, I think I attribute gross to everything I do because a lot of projects I start, they may I start out the best, but I guarantee is it as the momentum picks up, it gets better and better with time. And the podcast is a per example because literally everybody has one now. True, I mean true. I think. The thing about it for me, you know, I started doing the og two since statements on twitter. It vastly took off and I've been doing it for almost two years now. About let's see. The thing about it for me, and being a little strategic, is that I didn't start doing the podcast right away. I said, once I seen it picking up my meal, I said, you know what people want to they probably want to know what I mean bout by what I'm tweeting. You know, on twitter you can't really you can't really tell. You can't you don't have it's not enough time in the day to tell people exactly everything and how you feeling when you tweet it. So I said, if I do it in a show platform, been people would truly get to understand what I'm talking about. Yeah, that that's I all right. Last one bonus question. WHO's your dream interview to get on your podcast? It's a lot, you know what I mean. I'm going to keep it in house because it's some people that just truly impressed me, like I mean our owner, Joe Sigh, like I mean because I watch the work that he does and and I've had you know, he was at the Christmas party that we had and obviously you see it, UN like everybody, but you don't get to talk to everybody. And Yeah, but he gave it a talk and he told US story and it really likes spoke volumes to me. I like somebody who has an extreme amount of wealth and obviously knowledge, but to still kind of make you feel like he's right beside you and like when you can have that type of impact with the wealth and knowledge and power that he can possess. Then like that's intriguing to me, like, I mean, because you don't always find that and everybody who has what he asks. So, yeah, I think that's then right next to him shown marks, because he's actual gem in the in the NBA, and I just want to love, like what goes on in the mindset of somebody who's actually doing it on the physical level versus me doing it on the virtual level. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that would be that would be dope. That's as. That would be connecting the new world and golden world. I'm working on it. It'll happen. Well, I appreciate you coming on and I could go at the listeners know where they can follow you at. I'm og King Kirk on twitter, instagram and facebook. You can also follow the podcast on Instagram, twitter and facebook at og two since podcast. All again, appreciate it and well, good luck next season. appreciated. Precaus, I know. Yeah, you got their congrats. You got renewed, right. Yeah, and I'm breaking this laugh on your show because I actually just and you know what it's you can all kind of all kind of bonuses here, because it was this day last year that I renew. So boom, here we are.

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