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Jamel Herring | Average to Savage EP13

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This is the thirteenth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring professional boxer Jamel Herring. Paul Guarino talked with Jamel Herring discussing his time as United States Marine, his experience as 2012 Olympian, and his next fight. Follow Jamel Herring www.instagram.com/JamelHerring www.twitter.com/JamelHerring https://www.facebook.com/SemperFiHerring Powered by Darty Co. www.dartyco.com

This is the average to savage podcast with Paul Greno everyone in anyone, athletes sets and much more. What's up, everybody, and back for another episode of the average savage podcast. Got Another special guests, Jamal Herring Jamel. How's it going? Is Good, true churcher. So let's just like jump right into it. Can you tell the audience a little about yourself? Of course, I seven, image herring, born and raised in New York. I was United States Marine from two thousand and three to two thousand and twelve. Also represented the United States and the two of the twelve Olympic Games and I'm currently signed with top ring promotions. Perfect. So what made you get into boxing and how did you get into it, and what age are you? A man's crazy story. I actually was got to boxing because I was doing poorly in school and so of course, when you're great, the terrible you can, you can't play other sertain sports. Because I was I was big and I was big on basketball and I made, actually made the team, but I had to be advocate cut because of my grades. So instead of just doing nothing around, you know, for the season amount that time, my mom decided one of my one of my close friends invited me down to it. Jim I was about like fifteen, fifteen years old, you know, and you know, went down down just to try it out and I'm just sticking with it and you know he regard today. But they eventually I did get my grades together a thinking that, you know, I was slacking. All bad thing, but yeah, it was. It was just it was just, you know, one of the one of those things that just happened. Yeah, you're back in college and noble. We'll get to that later too, right. And so, yeah, you had a kind of a weight start, like usually boxers or starting like probably around like eight to ten and you're like fifteen seventy eight. Yeah, so what did what kind of difficult like things, that challenges did you have? Like being older than like learning? I had to basically, you know, it was different. Damn just systems, a lot different from know, what you're seeing on TV, because most time you don't really see at the time, you don't see emer boxing on TV, so all you see what it was the own the professional level, you know, coming up. So I had to basically, you know, learn how to act. Damn system. You know, it runs for the most part, but you know, he boxing kind of came. It came naturally, even even a even at the late start, you know, came Nashville especially. You know, even as a Marine I had to take how to take breaks from boxing, you know, numerous times without employee. Two Times that a rat. So I had to place, you know, come back and you know, you know, play catch up. But, like I said, you know almost did some something right because even before a late start and they only had under a hundred fights as amateur and I still made the Olympic team. Gosh it. So yeah, right after high school you weren't sure where you want to do and you can listen to the marine. So how did that all come about? One of more close friends was on. He was a year older than me. So he had enlisted right right that he graduate from high school. And you know, all the time at that that time, I wasn't really, you know, big or really interested in like going college, but I know I had to had to do something. Yeah. So, you know, I found out that the Marine Corps was on. You know, they had a boxing program and, you know, just something I could do for career, as a career. Also coming out of high school. I didn't want to just, you know, stay around, and I'm in New York because you know, some kids, when they get a high school with out of playing is, stick around too long and they did basically lose track of what they want to do. So I know. So those I graduated high school, you know, I went straight to the Marine Corps. That on following October. Now, what was that experience like? Being in the Marines and then participating in their boxing program? That's a bookcamp stuck. I was still I was actually still seventeen years old. Graduates, I was on seventeen round enlisted and I had to spend my eighteen birthday and boot camp and you know who. They made it very interesting for me and my birth done my birthday. But Um, you know, as time went on, I had to basically earn my way to to the team. You know, I was a ployee two thousand and five Iraq and after that, after that first employment, I went to a team, but I only was only stay there for a year because I called back again to get the plenty to Iraq once more. And but I'm...

...after my first listeners up, I had basically got station to Indian head, Maryland, which was a nonemployable and unit, and they allowed me to come back to, you know, the box team full term and, you know, I just stuck with her from since then and now that's how I play catch up and earned my way to up to the Olympic trials and eventually then lift the team. Yeah, it's awesome. So are like what made you go take that extra step, and you're like, I want to train for the Olympics. I'll just basically tired of seeing. I'm like, guys that I know, that that I thought in my heart I was better than that, was basically ahead of me, like I was always like ranked, you know, top ten in the country and you know, some people, some peoples are cool with that, but I thought, wow, I kind of seeing that, you know, guys that I beat in the past was basically moving ahead of me. That's when I decided, you know, let's take a limit more serious and, you know, let's put forward and see what we'll see what we can really do. Now. While you were in the Marines, were you were you thinking about becoming a pro boxer after or they just happened, like after the Olympics and stuff like that. I think everything is just happen you know, on the fly. To be honest, like I wasn't, you know, but I was actually cool of being, you know, a marine, you know, like say Marineo's marine, but I was, you know, I was cool if I just you know, even if boxing didn't work out for me, you know, I still has something to fall back off side. was actually cool with that. But it was until like the Olympics and I was like, you know, I probably, if I've made it this far, I probably can take your further boxing. And that's when I started really thinking about, you know, going pro if for sure. And I know you were an underdog in the US trials for the Olympics and sure and you came out and you wont and you got the to go on to the Olympics. What was that like, just going to Olympics and winning in the US and all that stuff? It was a great experience, you know, like I said, I had to come like after leving trials. I didn't qualify for Olympics because, if you like, like it wasn't they change the system from what it was, say back in like two thousand okay, like when you wanted, when you want the livy trials, you auto made was considered Olympian, but that wasn't the case. Yeah, you wouldn't let me trial. You still have to qualify the nationally, and my my first goal around, I didn't qualify. So I had to come back and face those same you know, some of those same opponents that I had to deal with them during the trials and you know, I knew, you know, at that point, you know, they were more focused and like really, you know, gunning for me. But you know, I end up, I end up winning the old twelve USA nationals to earn us, earn a second chance to qualify for the Olympic team, and that's when I went to arm Rio, Di Jian Arrow and around, I believe was may too, thousand and twelve, and I I got a bronze medal and I qualify the you know, a spot. are in the spot basically can compete in the Olympics, and that's what they had basically. Also made me that one of the team captains, which was you know, it was great honor and you know, it was a good experience. You know, just being out there not only just your your teammates whatever, but just other athletes in general. Nine that even just from America, but from other countries, you know, like like you, same bolt and I, you know, I meant guys like that. So it. I mean it was a fun time. I got, I think. Of course, we didn't get I didn't get the metal and Olympics, but you know, the overall experience is great. Yeah, now, what was it like being like the older guy? They're like? I know that you said they named your captain was at like one of the reasons why they based play me cat because of my marine class rance and, you know, leadership, and they've seen that I have a lot of leadership traits now. Was One of the memory main reasons while I was I was chosen as a captain. But I'm, like I said, for most of our I clicked it everybody, you know. Well, I basically got everybody, as well did gail, together as one, because at the same time, you know, we're all come up from different backgrounds, the country as it is, you know, and different upbringings. But I was able to, you know, find something that I had in common with each individual and use that, you know, to build a relationship off and we all got along it. Maybe still get along. Like you see me on twitter, you know, you see I'm almost, you know, still talking to each and every lasted one of my teammates. So you know, we're still you know, we're still clicking with still rocking and we're...

...just wishing each other the best of luck. And what's the sex success in my own past as pros now? Yeah, for sure. So after the Olympics and you decided to make the jump to the pro rank. So how that? How that all go down my memory? At the time, like I said, I had to go at a debate between if I want to stay, staying as a marine, or get out. Because after Olympics, my my listening, my second listen, was basically come until close to an end. So I had heard my decision and that's when I gave Mike Staff for a call from Cincinnati. I'll tell him that I wanted to go pro. You know, you just invited them in Cincinnati and then, you know, I went from there or sign without Hyman, and I just kept it moving. Got You. So Do you feel like your time as a marine helped you as a professional boxer when it comes to training and tough situations during the fight? Oh, of course, because I'm boxing is more mental than physical, and I believe if you can tell it, which is the stuff that I've seen it dealt with as a marine in the box, and to me that's the fun. You know, I'm not. I'm not afraid of hard work. Yeah, like I said, it's just it comes now. That's why I say it can't. It comes naturally to me. Like I'm not afraid of hard work. I know, I love learning new things. You know, I followed directions pretty well and, like I said, you know they, like they all said, hard work beas talent, you know, especially if one talent isn't working as hard as you are. Yeah, for sure. So you're seventeen and two. Now you're playing on September fourteen. Your opponent's coming off a big win. His only losses to a world ranked fighter. So what do you expect to see come flight night? Like I said, I'm not I'm not so worried. I mean, I give the more respect, but I I watch. I watch the last two fights. You know, shout out to my boy, tooker con Toka, was one of the guys that was on it that was helping US train. What to get clarified back in a man two thousand twelve and you know, I known Toba for years but, like I said, I took to southball. I'm the soutball. I picked up things that Toba was doing. I know that the guy doesn't like know too much pressure, just like my matters, like prush at all. That was the definitely is like virus sizes and people forget. Like you know, he's a natural feather way. I'm coming down from lightweight to super featherweight. Yeah, so of course I know I'll be the bigger man. You know, like I said, in the last fight with him against Ishmael Window, who's actually will was also trained the partner in my my stable that I'm with now, the fight basically came down to the to knockgowns, and that's because he did a lot of retreating me. Like I said, he gasses out those two knockdowns. They basically on was worth of the deciding factor in the fight. But I don't see if I don't see it playing like that. You know, when I'm in there with him, I just feel like I have more I have more tools. So I'm let me said, I'm looking forward to a great night and plus, you know, I'm with top right now. Got To mention as well. I'm with top rank. I'm expected that. I'm actually expected to me Bob own later on today. But Um, you know, they bring also bring them the marines out. So you know, I'm a lot of backing. It's going to be a great atmosphere. I'm also on fighting on the same night as my umblelepic teammate Jose a very marriage, who's defended his THEBC world title. Like I said, I'm just, I'm just, actually Scott. This is just to have fun, you know, I'm not I'm not no pressure right now. I'm the training camp. I'm going to you know, if you like, if if people have been watching closely, I've been spawning with Terence Crossford, who's basically one of the path town best fighters in the world, and my just beast. I would just spart yesterday together. You know, like I said, if you when you have that backing and super behind you, you should just really not use really you really don't worry about what's to come. You know, long as you get prepared and handy up business and training camp. You know, the fight to me, like I said, the same thing of being a marine mentality. The fight. That's the fun part, that's pretty easy part. You know, the hard work is already completed and, like I said, I'm in there with a chance carper every other day and we're working, we're going at it, you know. So I don't believe. I don't think that is anything and he can show me that. I haven't seen all right, all can't handle yeah, for sure. And you're going up for the US be a super featherweight titles. So what does that? What's that mean to you? That, you know,...

...if anybody knows, boxing, Usbaum is sanctioned under the IPF is. So that definitely puts me in the world rankings and I believe, you know what the big one in and now I'll be also be putting other you know, world rankings, sanction of bodies. So, like I said, this fight is very important to me. I said they they tyler rank has been coast. Mean they want be to they want to stay. Want to see me to see. That's the reason why they you know, the time. To begin with. They want to see me to see. They love my starver and they love the fact that I'm big with the military side. And then we know we are. We have we have great we have a lot of great plans ahead, but I have to get you know, I have to handle my business on my end and, you know, take care of business with moral day and, like I said, but hopefully, hopefully by December, you know, because time rank is keeping us, you know, they problems. Ken Be busy at least, but with at least three fights a year. You know, hopefully body December and I should be going for a world title. But you know, one thing's, you know, one thing's first. I have to take care of it into a moral day and then we'll just see what will happen from there. Yeah, for sure. And what did that mean to you, that all the Marines are going to come out to this fight? Oh, man, man's going to be crazy. Man, like you said, it was one of the one of the main things that I to do. Yeah, you know, you know, finally become a reality to fight and you know, in a venue full of you Nica Marines, and you know, maybe you know. I know. Well, I know for a fact today, once I headline, you know, I'll even be able to bring out more, you know, marines and probably fight on the you know, bring called basisself. So, you know, it's a great feeling, man like say, to have that support and see that, you know, not even just marines but fettermans in general was coming out to support me is always a great because alays a great feeling. Man. Yeah, how many are coming out so far right now? You know, like I said, there's something about they said the venue holds about fourteenzero. They said at LAE at least two thous marines and veterans are coming out alone, which is, it sounds, gone to be as and it's supposed to be a big Mat of boxing likes things about like Levin twelve fights on the card alone, and so, like I said, it's goings guys of their atmosphere is going to be, you know, it's going to be crazy. But, like I said, I'm just looking forward to it and also people, people there's listening. You know, I'll be headlining on the ESPN plus portion of the card that night, so that's that's a big thing. You know that that tells me that top rank has a lot of you know, trust in me to go out there and do some things and, you know, and bringing a lot of viewers to watch. Definitely I think the top rank ESPN partnership is like great for boxing. Right now right. So you seem pretty excited with the direction your career is going into and I know you change trainers and top rank you started, they started promoting you this year. So what made you change everything? And in the drop in weight classes also, I was making it for us start. Will let's start with the weight. The weight class was because you know me, man like you follow me for a while as well, like I was making one thirty five easy and I was actually doing it the hard way when I was when I when I when I really found out, when I was changed over teams, I was out there, told me I was actually doing it the hard way, but I'm still making a relative easy. You know, I was always around my weight. But, Um, you know, they was looking at me. It was like, because I this is kind of Matats came from Terence himself. He was like a man that, but you wait and I was walking around like a wound. I usually walking around like around one hundred and forty five average. It's like, man, that's like fifteen pounds, man, you can, you can easy make one thirty five. I told you. I thought he was talking crazy at first, but no one supposed. We yell more hooked up and I see how, you know, I got with a real nutritionist and a stramp coach. I actually made my last by actually made one hundred and thirty two. I believe, one thirty two and a half pretty easy and I'm ask like I did it easier than when I was making one two hundred and thirty five, but a higher weight class, and I actually I was eating it the day up my way in and I still felt good and I felt strong. And if people seeing my last fight, you know I I stopping a guy who hasn't been stopped in like six years. Like no, he was like they kept telling me he was a durrible opponent. He supposed to give me a good test in some rounds, but you know, I made easy work with him, even when, even where I got cut over my right eye with a head but you know, I still bought thory. I'm a easy work of it. So that's...

...what that's what the whim decided to go on down one hundred and thirty. But in terms of the team, I felt that. You know, I felt that. You know, no, there're spect anybody over there on the PBC side, but I felt that. You know, we were, we were on the same page at times. Like actually been told them that I had wanted to move out to the Petway, but it wasn't really trying to go that direction, Christ me. So it was like, you know, we would, it was bumping heads and they had one idea and I had another. Yeah, so I just felt that, hum, I didn't like the way I was treated during my last adding with them in last August. I felt that I actually won the fight and they're just like. I felt that I wasn't given to the fair treatment and proper treatment during that whole build up. So, you know, it was no, it was no, like I'm mature, I'm older, I'm old enough, you know. Didn't you know, to do that? Things go. So I wasn't bitter, I did, but I just decided that, you know, I needed to make a change and you know, that's when I gave you know, Brian Bull, mcmactyre called personally and told them that I, you know, I would like to train with him, you know, you know, and move on and hopefully and go from there. Yeah, definitely. Now could you give like an insider perspective on like what camp is like for people that don't see you on social media? Man Camp Camps, because he's like, you guys have fun, though. Yeah, kept here with them. Is really to me is like, yeah, we're all under like one roof when we had that, when we had out the card springs, but everybody's no egos involved. Everybody gets along with each other, and you know we did. We just have fun, man, we just have we know, we just have like you know, everybody is going to help each other. We all like listen to one another and what we work hard, like you said. You See, man, we really work hard, like we're doing something every day for seven days literally, but we're not doing it to the point where we're over training, but we're just staying busy and keeping our bodies loose. Like you know, what might do, like a stuff like a take a bike ride or something on Sundays just to get out or whatever. Or went to Tado. We'll go do the incline and you know, and then just chill out rest of the day. But always staying busy. Is everyone gets along everyone, you know, everyone has the same goal. We all want to see each other. You see, like I said, we can laugh and joke and have a great time at the same time as well. Yeah, definitely. I know you have two world champions in your campus. When you, I know hooker was training you guys while so I know you're trying to become the third soon, right, right. And Yeah, I got I just got lectured. It's funny, I just got lecture about two days ago. Man, you know my training that I was slacking the bed and he was like yelling like hey, we need to make we need another world champ. Being million. You're did that close to it, so pick it up. So you know things like that. You know, it just motivates me because, like I said, it's like you said, we're found with them and top ring behind me, believing to me, you know, you know, just basically becoming a reality. So you know, I'm really happy when I'm at and I'm just looking forward to the future. Man, like I said, that's wire I came wait to get to this bike. You know, we got four weeks left and I actually played on being a lot shopper and better than my last outing by far big it. Can't wait to see it. So I know you, like I previous said, you're you're in college now. So how are you bouncing? Call its life and boxing training. I'm actually doing a lot better than I expected. You know, I'm taking it like obviously online course, for the fact that I'm always traveling, as you see, you know, most I'm always going, man, it's training camps, fights, wherever. But Um, you know, it's been. It's been actually, you know, I took a while to it take it. It's a little bit of video. Thats just but now I'm actually like mctually motivated to start. You know, the next semester, you know, I'm taking Benite business man of major in business management. So, you know, because I want to also, you know, even that after box I want to more likely stay involved with boxing some way in some form. You know, I've been taking Bun business management courses. But Um, I mean, like I said, hasn't affected, it hasn't bumped in the way of my training, you know, because I usually, you know, do my own classes and my hownwork after you know, at the hours I've after I'm training and things like that, and I still get the pope arrest that I need without being overwhelmed. So it mean, it's been. It's been good. I I said, I thought myself, I've never seen myself coming back to school and like I said, school wasn't my thing, man, like I said, I actually was an under student in high school by...

...that, you know, my last two peas in high school. But it's been but I still wasn't big on it. But, you know, coming back to it, you know it's it actually is a good feeling. So the professors that you have now, do they know that you're like a famous professional boxer? scally the story on me and you know my career and things that needs. So they know who I am, but, you know, at the same time, like I'm still a student. Yeah, I don't get. I'm not getting axialtention. You got, you got you now what you're like? Main motivation for just like boxing in general, is I want to be the next marine to win a world title. I think the last marine to win a world towers around, you know Dolly days. You Know Ken Norton and Leon Spins both actually actually beat Ali, but I think that was like the last time anybody who started as a marine when the world title. So that's Mylesman, my motivation, you know, just to my name out there and you know saying now I was a marine who won a world title, because I'll my last oneivation Olympics was the fact that no marine made the Olympic team in boxing since one thousand nine hundred and ninety two on Oscar to the hogest team. You know, that was certain radius and the same year and in that same year and the night was last time a marine when a national championship, and I comp said as well. So now my next goal is to be the next marine win a world title. The sitting goes in achieving them exactly is one go out of time. There you go. What's your most memorable fight to date? I'll probably say amateur wise, my fighting, my two fights. We two fights and then we're taking place that during Olympic trials, wanting to one fight against Mike read and the next fight that every next day against Sosa. The fight with my read was on a back and forth right. I literally one that fight by a single point, so huge. Just imagine how that fight went. And then the fight book page or so so like you know at the time for it was also was the man, you know, all time national champion. You know he was. He was basically going through everybody, didn't you know? Remember? I remember loose. I was actually losing going into the third round. You know, I just rallied up and I beat him by a single point. So yeah, man, like those bikes, like you know, stand out to me. Now I'm just looking forward to, you know, making both fights, you know, and as a pro got you now. I got some fun in Fan questions. Are you ready for those? Yeah, they're a little looser. So well, here's another boxing one. But boxing training or marine training? What's harder? Marine Co training, you know, like I said, like you know, rings all about preparing you for, you know, the worst out there around the world. You know, boxing to me, like, since I said before, that's just the fun part. So I say marine coach training by far. Yeah, definitely. What's on your playlist before training, working out, before the fight? Man, that's crazy if people actually before like a surpies. I listened to everything, man, like I was just literally just listening to Um Ellon John Rocking man, you know. But I got to keep it diverse because I can't listen to the same genre all day because I'll lose my mom but, you know, I say guy verse, like I go from Jay z the David Bowie and and like the very up the very next song, just like that. I I keep it. I keep it, you know, keep it interesting, you know, you just keep it on shuffle. Yeah, pretty pretty much, man, but you don't like you don't like Cardi be though. Now it is a few songs on it that I do like. So shod I gave up. She actually got he has a few good songs that I likes. I give her that. There's a go from New York. You got like her. Right, right. Here's the scenario question. What's one movie? If you had one movie to choose and you got to watch it on repeat for the rest of Your Life, when movie would have been sending Nella Man,...

Russell Crow? All right, they're going another boxing and I said that because, like I said, he was an UN the dog, you know, he's like. I just like how you point out house out, you know, and Hamate, and sometimes I still see myself under dog as as a professional. But like you know, he look look with them. He fought through and he's still achieved this goal to becoming a world champion. So, like cerele man, always plays out amount of fact. Arrol Spence, you know, a good friend of mine. He calls me, he's he calls you some the relevant you know, because but he wants me. He also tells me. You know, he's actually one of my big supporters as well. So shout out the Arrow. But I'm yeah, he's been calling me CINERELEA. Man Says I'm damn today. Yeah, that's it. It's what I didn't know right there. So, yeah, are you playing any video games right now? Right? Yeah, right now, Brown, you know, at the camp, because it's small, run my little loans Super Nintendo classic. Yeah, so, you know, US play that on my free time. Even playing punch out. You beat the game and yeah, I'm stuck on like the Japanese Guy Right now. Yeah, yeah, I think that wraps it up. You want to tell the fans in your supporters really can find you on social media. I was saying, for one, thank you for having me on here, Bro Anyway, you know, on and off the record whatever, but I say by me. Hit me up. Actually, any more questions that I didn't get to answer today. They can find me on twitter, instagram at Samel herring. Sendu from send the firm request. You know, Jamel herring on facebook and, like I said, you know you're my witness. You know I'm us. I used to respond to everybody. So, like I said, much love there with those for me and I give up back to those who. Yeah, probably the most fan friendly boxer right now. At your meal, Harry, appreciate its dry. Appreciate you coming up and good luck September fourteen next fight. Hopefully that, like I said, that be down to fight. We'll talk about world, we'll talk all right, appreciate all.

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