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Jason Brown | Average To Savage EP64

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This is the sixty-fourth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring Last Chance U star Coach Jason Brown. Paul Guarino talked with Jason Brown discussing his football career, his time coaching Independence Community College football team on Netflix's Last Chance U, and the release of his new book Hate Me Now, Love Me Later. Follow Jason Brown https://www.instagram.com/therealcoach_jb/ Check out his new book Hate Me Now, Love Me Later https://amzn.to/2XxKq5g

This is the average to savage podcast with Paul Greno everyone in anyone, athletes, sets and much more's up, everybody. I'm back for another episode of the average savage podcast. Or special guests today is coach Jason Brown. Coach, I was going good. Appreciate you coming on my pleasure. So let's just go back into a time machine. And what was it like growing up in Compton and how did you get into football? You know, being the only white guy man is probably different than most people are used to, but it is where I was from and pretty much I became a product of my environment. I guess that's what I kind of tell people. You know, I tell people all the time I'm a chameleon man. I did and get along with all walk of life that will figure it out at least kind of play the game. But you know, playing football and growing up in Compon, that's coming what you want to do. And you know there's a more NBA players and NFL players from Compton, I think, than anywhere else man, and at least significant one to that. But you know, we grew up doing that. You Either Gang Bang, you either with the school or play Fort and now is basically the three thing, man. So you know I tried to avoid the other ones and you know I went to school and play sports and now is it. Stayed away from gang banging and drug and did the sports thing. So you know, it's up becoming beneficial for me. Yeah, definitely, definitely, and you were pretty good yourself. Huh. I try to hold my own. I guess I gotta Pay Check. Yeah, he went all American company, Community College, get a few NFL tryouts, plit arena football league. What was playing arena football league like playing versus regular football? I love the arena league goes by the funny time of my life professionally, and he speaking anyway. There's only nineteen guys on a team. There was really no back fighting. Everybody was retally tightly knitted. Went over the Hawaii three times a year. I mean it was sons times, man, it was good, you know, really a tightly knit a group, man, and nobody had any ulterior motive. Everybody was about the team and it was good time. Played for a guy named James Fuller who lay in the NFL for a long time for the eagles, and I fell steeper touch with him and he's a really coach back east, down Connecticut or and May. I'm sorry, he's at Maine, I think. So it was fun, man, good times. Fast, fast, fast pace. You know, I mean really, really fast for indent field, and it was hard to get used to for me coming up the eleven man, you know, Brid but it was fun, Gosh. So now, after you're playing for what made you want to become a football coach? You know, when I got cut, probably the third time, playing in Kansas City and various places, you know, I kind of lost love of playing football, man, and to be honest, that came home for the summer after being cut again. I went him to my Alma Mater, high score cheas high school, and I said I man, I want to start coaching it and Tyronic, the first kid that I coach in a back in ousd three or two hundred and three, was kid named Orlando Scandrick, because that a best career and cowboys and chiefs and the redskins. But he end up being my running back and kind of blossom from there, man, and I end up taking off and running. I just loved the aspect of helping kids and I think coaching was my true passion and love and not playing. So I found...

...a new renow love and found that kind of went from there. God, you got so you started coaching high school first, right, yeah, started coach in high school. Man. Is still the option to go back and play arena ball and you know, I ran into my old athletics fact there when I went to high school and he was still the ad that they're mortan ten eleven years later, and I just said, you know, I want to get into it, man, and he got me the freshman coaching job. And so I took the freshman job and inherited a pretty decent crew athlete. Man, I had easy's son, the rappers, the legend comp the legendary rapper for Nwa. His son's play for me name was Eric Wright also and he was one of my other running backs and we had a pretty good squarely, like nineteen kids, man, and then it was a it was a good run we had there. And then I knew from there. I think I had the it fact there, what I like to call it, and I moved on up the ranks really, really quick. So yeah, so I moved up to coaching ranks rather quickly compared to most. I mean the next job I got was like a OC job at a Juco, my Alma bather, Copton College, very next year. Then I took another job at Bourbon Day High School and Watt Legendary Basketball Program. They are also really, really good football. Years ago of my shoot I inherited about three NFL guys who team Ares, who want the Super Bowl with the Patriots ready done, who ended up breaking a bunch of SCAA records and kick returns at University Utah. He played for me at Copston College as well. But you know, we had some guys, man, and you know it makes you job a lot easier when you got good players. Yeah, definitely, definitely. So how did you a guy from California? How did you end up in Kansas? And you started coaching at Garden City before you went to India? Well, it goes back before that, man. Only reason I went to Garden City I was familiar with Wetton candons. So I played at for Hay State, but is in Weston ends, about an hour and a half north of Garden City. Okay, so I say my college ball there after I went to Copton College. So I got a long story, man. A lot of people don't know, but I Compton College. I signed a scholarship after that to go to university New Mexico with the coach name Rocky Long, who's now the head coach San Diego State. Well, I got there and my clock was up, so I couldn't go to vision one that I was up ahead before, and I end up waited a lot of time in my academic clock. Started at a junior college called Rio Hondo back in ninety five. So they dropped football. We were told we get our year back. We never did that year, really basically screwing me. So I ended up after junior college I had to go to division two after New Mexico told me I couldn't go to vision one, so I had to go sight on them, basically to fortey state, which was, you know, Great Division who had beautiful facility there in the powerhouse com it's the best of the country right now. Call my double a at the time when I say we were in the ARMAC, but we still facility wise, and you know, all that type of stuff, Fan base everything. Considering Division Two, you know, it was a it was a great spot. So I went there. They took care of me, man, I really they adopted me, man, to be honest. So can't always pretty good to me. So I went...

...there and I kind of had the landscape and then from there I got a shot with Kansas City, you know, five and a half hours across the state, and so I have familiar with both parts. And so then I got the Garden City top later on. It wasn't that best of a chopper for me. And then independence, obviously was the first time in the southeastern part of the day for me, and so you know, that time was well spent to got you got. So how'd you get the position Independence Communicall, I think my time at Garden City basically put my name on the map. You know, my name was on the map in California as far as being a recruiter and polks in California, but California junior college's totally different. There's no dorms and those scholarships, there's no bill plan. HMM, can't as all that. So I had this pretty much the death and overcome all that because I wasn't used to it. So it was new to me. But at Garden City, the nine months I was there or whatever, you know, I brought in about a hundred and twenty six players myself on scholarship, which was no I opening to everybody. So obviously they knew I could recruit basically anywhere. So that kind of opened all the upper administrators eyes and the hands. is obviously so when I resigned at a Garden City and went home, back home to Long Beach California, for a few months and kind of planned out by next move, tammy tells the Hayes at the time, who's the athletics director and Vice President Independence. She gave me a shout and just said, you know, I came highly recommended from the WHO is now the president at Garden City, and you know he wrote me a letter of recommendation even though I resigned there because it was just a bad situation and everybody do it. So I left there and came the indie. Cha asked before an interview if I would ply out. So I blew out the independence and you know, she put me on like a ten hour interview. Man, it was pretty intensive and very well done. And see she put me through an in depth review. Man, it was pretty good. So anyway, I did that and rest is history. Got You, got you. And then going into the last chance you segment, like when did you know you were going to be on last year too. You know, they called me one day, like I tell everybody in the story, I they called me one day. I was in the Office of my staff. They have a voicemail. They said who they were. I never watched defence tippy one, so I really didn't know anything much about it. I knew it was pretty good marketing for kids and young coaches. So I kind of said I don't know if I'm interested. So my younger staff kind of talked me into at least taking the costs. I call them back the next day spoke to a lady named Chelsea, Great Lady Man. She was the one that called up message. I taught her. She set up a meeting. Great Whitely, the producer and the crew, came out for our spring game of our second year. It didn't be so we already had played a whole year and had the best season in thirty years there and so we end up with the last five game. But we come back and you know, I wasn't really worried about the cameras follow me as more the microphone and I kind of knew yet, but going into it they came out and I like Greg. He was a genuine guy and obviously, I guess he liked me man and the rest of history. We they offered me, accepted, and then they came back in the summer of seventeen and we had the greatest year and then dependent history, and so that kind of was what it was. So we went from...

...there and they wanted to come back again this past or, you know, two thousand and eighteen year. So of course we opened arms to him again and that was it. Yeah, so did you watch last season? They send me the clip, they send me to the show before they are usually they send it to me and they send it to us as a staff, and I watched a few of the first two episodes with my boss just to see what we were going to take politically speaking and from the towns folks and so forth. So we watch this kind of as a protective device, basically, but I didn't watch much beyond that. I still haven't seen the whole thing. Seen bit the pieces here and there, but I haven't watched the show and I don't know if I ever will. Man, to be honest, I've definitely probably won't want this year's one, but you know, that kind of how it is. I guess when you live it, I guess like this that really interested. They watched yourself again, but I really am not. So yeah, I mean it's kind of weird watching yourself too. It's well, yeah, what was it like, just camera following you around all the time? You get used to it, man, and like, I think that's what Greg told me. You know, he felt Mick Robney and all these different people in his career and he was like Jab you're probably the most unfilled this person I've ever filed in dirty years. And you know, that's the reason I think he liked being an independence with us and following me. But the bottom line is that I never really remember the camera to realize they were ever there. I mean the only thing I became guy cognisant of was damn microphones, because I knew my mouth needed a so far everyone so while. So, you know, yeah, that's the reason I kind of crane. Is that the whole fucking Netflix thing? You know what I mean? Yeah, and when you're like recruiting a player, like what's your pitch to get a player to your school? And like I watter, kids like like to play for you. He said it at the end they like to play. For me, it ain't about the fucking school brother. Going to be honest, not that some shitty places. I've been at conflent college where they got glass and the build and the dirt and track is dirt. He thinks people wanted to go. They're held out. So it's all about selling itself as the kid believes in you as a person. That the bigger head of the program. I think you can have a kid follow you into war. But you know, the bottom line is I sold myself as big, being honest and truthful to these kids. That telling them the truth. I think a lot of these kids, especially single family parent kids, you know, they require it. They just don't know that they need the discipline. They don't know they need the truth to be told to him. But I think I've been that guy, my old eyes man and totally different off the fielding up out the office, but in the office, on the field, at the different jb all together and that's the person that works towards a results, because it's the results are in a business and that's kind of what it is. And I tell kids that. Tell as that, and so when I recruit them is I'm going to tell you the truth, I'm going to graduate your kid, I'm going to get up a scholarship and I'm going to do it fast with anybody in the country. And that's my word, is bond, and that's what's happened. We broke several, several national records that independence during my tenure. I think I already held them records prior to that in California anyway, getting kids scholarship. So the best thing that I say I do is getting kids of collegship, getting them graduated. Yeah, that's when you have a number of how many kids you got the one scholarships?...

Yeah, total or an independent both totally. I've had about two hundred and twenty six now today, I think, after this past class at independence. In three years. Basically is a hundred one, division one, forty power five. We graduated every single football player that came through independence during my tenure and we had the highest GPA among football playing schools as well. So we I think we did a pretty damn good job fittering resources and things like that. So when we got the independence, brother, I'm tell you, was the probably the worst uni cause in America. When I left there there was two hundred and in applicants for the head job. So the job became top five ten Judah calls up in the country seemingly overnight. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely impressive. But it was fucking easy, brother. Is a lot of blood, sweat tears, let me tell you. I tore down brick walls and put in a weight room and fucking you name it, painted walls and change out the bathroom sitter and everything I did. So it kind of fucking pisses me off that I left the place too, because someone else gets are my shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, now I know you're saying. And do you keep in contact with a lot of your former players? Yeah, all the time. Talk to him, Jermaine Jobson, yesterday because the number one player in the country last series that Georgia probably going to start. I talked to Emma good and the number one detached but university Tennessee, Rock King Boyd, I talked to quite often on social media. He's talked to best running back in the NCC. I mean so we had two players. They're probably be ten eleven players get drafted this coming draft off that first show. So there's guys on that show that you guys did. They didn't really target either, like Delara. Gave Rams a fourth corner at University Colorado. Will probably be a very, very highly draft pick. Dj Williams, that you talk state is an all American preseason on Americans who had a great sellar first. See that you taught state. He was much bigger talent than you talk state. Not to not you tough date, but his height sometimes hurt you and you got to go group of five and I think that was a great program for him. He's a power five kid, though, making no mistake about it, he'll be drafted. So that we got guys all over the place and you know, Calvin Jackson that watched this day is going to contribute very great there this year. He did a great job as a true junior last year. So we got guys all over. Malik Henry's gonna Probably Started University of the Vada this year at quarterback, which is a good plot for him, and throw the ball over the place that Blik does best. And you know Shit, we got four quarterbacks playing division one and three years. So like it's a good situation for a lot of those kids. There's a lot of Jamal got, you know, he's at the southern Illinois playing and he did a great job last years as a true junior. So you know, a lot of kids a lot of places, man, and I can go on and on and on about the blackfers that we sent on and so you know, I'm excited to see what they do and they'll all get drafted and and that's all I care about. To stay out of jail, fucking graduate. It's the Damn College degree, and go on and make some money if you if you're fortunate to. Definitely, definitely, and you're coming out with a book. He mean now? Love me later. What's the book about? And why are you coming out with a book? Man? It's the number one new release on Amazon. Brother,...

...you gotta, you gotta Google some Shit, man. What's up with that? You don't know that? It came out yesterday, about Friday. came out Friday and hit the Amazon and Barnes and Nobles Online to be on kindle, I think today, but you can buy paperback or part back and it was a number one new release over the weekend on Amazon. I think it still is right now, football biography wise. So I'm excited, man. I appreciative of all the fan base too that supported it. And you know, it's just tell all book man about me and about you know, people that want to know more about me from the show and they got to see the show, but you know, they film me basically three thousand hours to put eight hours of film together, and so I figured I said Ay, you know, strike by irons hot, let me tell him about the more in depth JB and that's what I kind of did and kind of talked about my my rides, my demise and my only eyes again type attitude. So that's kind of what it is and in the nutshell and that's what I put together and we got it done really, really, really quickly and got it published and got it out there and Lynn Eddie is the publisher. She's did a great job for me and she's gonna step me up on a book signing tour and I'll be going all the way around the country, starting to San Diego, California, and I work my way up the California coast and then I'll be headed out probably to, you know, they can't city Oklahoma areas where, you know, we were kind of nestled in between where the show was very, very popular. So we'll be all over the place. So and it's exciting times and you know, we'll we'll see how it goes. Yet you got to coming to the East Coast? Yeah, probably be on these goes to I think I got to come in New York or something at some point. Yeah, is there audiobook coming out? You know what people have been asking like crazy. I don't know. We're looking into it. I got to get us into a studio, I guess, and do it. Yeah, but I'm going to find out. If not, I'll definitely be doing a second book and I'll probably be for surely doing audio. See how this one goes. And you know, I didn't know I was an author, but I guess overnight I'll become a seemingly I'll become an author. So we'll see what happens. Hopefully it's a book worth the shit that people want to read. I guess. I don't know. Yeah, I man, I didn't really know how to write this shit like that, but you know, we got it done. It's going to come out and I think it'll shock a lot of people. It'll tell people the truth and it'll be a good read for football advocates or general population. You know, a lawyer or or a business put man can read it and, I think, get something out of it. Yeah, definitely, definitely, I'm going definitely check it out. And do you want to coach again, and where would you want to coach? You know what, I don't know if I want to coach again. I'll be honest. Everybody's been asking me. I've been offered a few jobs before prior to me leaving, but I just don't know if I want to do it. Man, I don't know if this generation can handle Jav. To be honest, I don't know if my heart and coaching right now because, you know, when I grew up playing, people didn't tell on their coaches, people wouldn't talk about what happened in the locker room. That was the ultimate intimate setting, man, was a football locker room. So it changed. I think kids are soft as babysit down. I think the parents are even softer and I think the parents and able to...

...sit out of these kids. And it's unfortunate because I don't think the kids have changed a lot of the fucking parent yeah, fucking hopeful. So the parents change these kids and now coaches like us across the country, God bless us, have to deal with these bucks, you know what I mean. So that's the blind and I love the shit out of my babies. I call all my kids my baby, but I love the hell out of them, man, but you know, only the ones that could handle me into making it, and that's the ones that end up going the NFL. And Two hundred and twenty college graduates. And you know, at a two hundred and twenty six guys, man, I've had over a hundred and thirty kids get the Baschlor and I've had twenty two kids get their masses degree. Those are numbers that are keeping my head and I know, because those are things, that they're most important to me allow me to sleep at night. So you know, I don't want to use these kids like a piece of meet, like a lot of cooks to do, unfortunately. And so we get the kids graduated, number one, and make sure that good citizens number two. And you never see my kids going to jail, brother, that's one thing. You'll never see. My kids go to class, they graduate and they know how the hell acting in a town. So yeah, that's what makes me tick. Yeah, definitely, definitely, what advice would you give like a young football player trying to make it to the NFL? He got ask himself first, as he loves football, everybody says do, and then you ask him when the last pass? You Miss Yesterday, and then you don't fucking love football. So that's basically what you got to ask is. So Do you love football? Do I love football? And the truth of the matter is these kids don't understand that. I think that's the first question I have to get at home. When I went home visiting, getting their parents. Does Your Kid Love Football? And then I kind of want to ask the parent before the kids, and then I asked the kids the same things. Do you love football? And then I asked him. I want to see this, Damn. I want to see your attendance record. Not to Greaves, I want to see your attendance, because grades don't reflect the kids attitude. You know grads are we all have our shortcomings. We all struggle at something we only know. We know and don't know. We don't know, man, but do you fucking get up and go to class? And that's number one thing. So if you miss class and you don't deserve a practice for me, and then that ultimately, you don't play for me, so you don't love football because you're asking of been in the front road class and sitting there and being shutting the Hell Up. But that kind of how goes, man. But you know, tell him, ask some stuff. That a football and then, you know, what do they want out of it? They gotta have to ask their own questions, because it's gone beyond getting out my knees and kissing these kids asses, putting for me, you know I'm saying. So they're gonna have to want it more than me, and that's just become I think that become an every day the setting for coaches. Like you know, I think people have to coach effort. You should have to coach effort number one, and you should have the big kids to be on time. They love football, they're act will be there before you are and leave after you. So that's just kind of where I'm at, man, and my basically my rant for this thing. But I think they got to love football, man, or don't even bother coming out. Got You, got you, got you. Now. Are you ready for some fun questions? are going to go from average to savage. Sure. What's your favorite Song Right now? My favorite songs. Shit, took the...

...from La Man Iffy help with this passed the way out here. So probably a song called check me out. I would say that's probably number one right now, though the check my book out too. Why you guys are out there doing nothing? Sure, for sure. And what about? What's Your Dream Coaching job? Like, say before you you said You Lost Your love for coaching. Probably La School man, you Ucla, USC something here, local. You know I'm from here, so obviously I was love to live in La and make good money. Well, probably one of those schools of driving. My dream I grew up. Are you sell a fan? I still M Ustell a fan over USC but either job, I mean you're not a fan anymore. People fucking pay you. You know for sure? Exactly? All right. Last one. Who's a better coach? You were? Buddy Stevens. Who's a better coach? Well, Hey, brother, it's a resultory and it business. He's one a lot of championships. Bar is a Shitty as league. I'm going to be honest, I don't think any. Just the truth of the matter. But he has a set up there and it was something that we were building independent to kind of model he's RECIPPI money. Didn't have to coach anything, but he was a CEO Buddy's fucking crept around all day while it coaches coats and work. I was a hands on guy. I had to call the offense, implement the offense, coach, I had to help out on defense, I had to do everything because we're a program on the rise and having to do a lot of things. But he's thing was a well oiled machine already. So he's hard to gay, but he's won title, so you you have to say he he is. But if he ever wanted to get on the board in the office, you know, fucking bring it my way. But that's with anybody in the country, to be honest. But I think every coach in America, and say that to who knows as me. But you know, people don't realize that. They just the shit on show and the whole that's city call. Well, you know, yeah, you don't know how to get my fucking kid out of tell and get him the map pass the day before. He too. So but anyway, that's the whole nother story and it's res All story. And Man, I can't be a liar. He's one title and you know, we won the ball game in independence and it was a great year and I think that team I would have loved to play that. A SIP that year, I think, would have been anything in the country. But be that, it is me, man. You know, we'll see how it goes from here and what end up coming down the road. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Well, I appreciate you coming on and let's people know where they can follow you and get your book at. I appreciate you. You know, it's on Amazoncom and on Barns and noblescom. You can find the links pretty much. Take me now, love me later to searching an Amazon too too long of a link to give you, but you know it's not those two to be on Kendall shortly and the Real Coach Jab is my website. So you can check out wwwbcom and check me out on there and it have some information on there as well and I'll be doing some speaking engagement that the book signing tour here shortly and you know I've been getting a lot of pretty good good reviews Ma'am on the book and people wanting to hear me talk to him. So I love motivating people. Man, young people and hopefully I can save somebody down the line and if I can just say one it'll be worked at the end of the day. Definitely appreciate you coming on again all brother, appreciate you all right. Tip.

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