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Jason Campbell | Average To Savage EP91

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This is the ninety-first episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring former NFL QB Jason Campbell. Paul Guarino talked with Jason Campbell discussing his time at Auburn, his experiences in the NFL, and what he's doing now. Follow Jason Campbell https://www.instagram.com/jcampbell17/ Podcast interview with Jason Campbell originally recorded March 20, 2020

This is the average to avage podcastwith Bal Garino everyone and anyone athletes, soets andmuch more soi'. Everybody welcome back to theaverage savage podcast or special guest. Today is former NFL quarterback JasonCambelsation how's it going doing grat Paul how you doing good good appreciateyou coming on. No problem, no can't complain. We can know these type ofDhays we're living in right. Now, man, it's alway, just a great opportunity tobe able to you know things we tak for granted. You know, hopefully, peoplelearning through this tespirts that you know life is no guarantee and thingsthat we think come easy, its a guarantee every day and in it's not soyou know we all need the REMODISC and and Sogo we can learn through thisspirits. Yeah. Definitely yeah. I think something positive is going to come outof all this. Just like just the stuff, I mean I'm sure, you're saying it'shere, just like people just helping people andj right so yeah, hopefullystuff gets better soon, but yeah, let's get into your football career. How? Howdid you get started playing football Ma, I' Sal you? I gots started playingfootball. I grew up in small town in mississippic call teleszeal and I grewup with my dad was a coach and then I had a older brother, and you knoweveryone was playing for allof it back in those days Apaul we played in e Yor,you know. Nowadays you know these kids. They already have. Teams at fifth gradeis test grade and, of course, we had PT, but my parent Wis, let ye play at thattime. BSO I just ton playing football ti was thirteen, but I play yarnfootball erer since I little those guys to hit us o older brother used to hitUS outside and Wan Tim to hat so hard. I hit her tree came on with Hert or mydad alovs Rol with you and I sai the Mor we playing the cal killer me. Helike killer man. What's thed, I said everyone gets to the supe thou. Thefootball up in the air and Rele kics is the ball. Everybody as got got, got totry tackle for we get Toda Anzon. He saidoh. You know. SOMJE grew up aroundthe game. An fre Ri, pors aid and everything in my area, my high schoolthing, was always used to win a championship, so Weou grow where I grewup ap an it's, not a whole lot of opportunities to do other things, butget involved is corse and that's how I really got involved en and GRANU. Did you play any othersports yeah Ma Basketball is my favorite sport? I played basketball,baseball and football. I gave a baseball Bu ingr year was for Thi todecision. You know I really like that too, but trying to focus on two sports.I can make sure I graduate all time and make sure IAS keep ygree. So Sun get myso I can get Itto University that want to get into, and so I just focus onbasketball and football and and everything I was Abe to make allAmerican and both and get to college t e have to Choo. So you know til you getSoim to play both one you signit the Literat hit, but once you get there,they Bsur the base. Your O have to make a decision, OT, SII them stak onfootball yeah. I do think playing multiple sports like helped. You bebetter in football yeah. No doubt O Kis. Nowadays, you toYon a get just stuck it once or you know the one thing that can happen onKis US think it one por is: They can burn out very quickly and easily thinkabout playing multiple sports growing up. Is that each or teaches yousomething different aport has a different concept wore football teachyou a lot about toughness and and Grad it out for basketball's aboutexposiveness and quickness and and everything and then you think of youknow just baseball. How you got TA react to a ball coming at Tou, it fastspeed or whetever, but I always pay the kids to get involved more on one sport.It just doesn't matter you play basketball, you play baseball orfootball. You don't play anything ees if you Red Trent, that's good for you,because they just teach your skill levels er to help you tou developmentas well. Iti gives you a break from...

...another sport, but you're not sittingat home, doing anything, Youre, still scribing and performing in, and I nonthat sport at that time, which is which is happene to prove your skills as well.Yeah definitely agree with that. I think kids should play multiple sportsgrown up and then eventually like focus on the one that they like the most orthere they broet yeah. What was your recruiting process like coming out ofCOT? I'm an high school Han. I was the one of the ones Tan that was.I was blessed and I had byt time. I was a junior in high school.I was on the top back quarter best of the nation, so you know my brother hadwas six years old he's he's six years older than me, so he's Panno be sixstated at the time so N. I was going to a lot of NCC Games, so I was getting opportuniy toes. I seethat atmosphere and be aroundit, and I just never tell my parents like hey, Iknow a lot of schools, an big teen and you know and ACC and out wis andeveryone is recruiting as well. I said I think I just want to play N my SelfpeSof comference an I say it seems like like it's the the best confres incollege football. The atmosphere staindpointed from a game standpoint isso competitive and I said just watch my brother play that league. I said I just.I think this is thele. I want to stay in so you know. I ended up Takng most of myPisi TL, my to CC school. I Arbor Lalisou, Georgia, no Tennessee that really narri down to those fourschools and because I didn't want to get on boardwith a home, Bun Co, other school botthers coaches coming into schoolevery day and I wan to get caued into the hoffice o go meet with them. So Ilive Therei te town and did right. I didn't want to make a decision beforemy sinior her, so I kept just TAK my business agen once my senioor finish,ined up committing he early January right, bfor Saturday. I was it fabweird. So so what was the ultimate decision that you picke calmer? I liketheauber man just because it was just his family atmosphere. I went to acouple o other schools they all had great campois to, but it was issomething about Arbor. That was just different and I remember going to agame. Therwas playing Alabama's Iron Boll and at was my recruitind visit andI remember they lost Thei game at home as a close game and the fans which isso respectful, like you know, sometimes like when Someo Hese hose scools thefans of dolling their players Outa when they had lost the game and everything Iwas like a with in with the harand. They lost Totday, Arsh, Rool Alabamaand the fans was just kind of Noterio at it, but the same time just likerespective players- and you know your way- has a great beer n there. But tome ot just see. Li gives more unity and more of a family tradition and and just Bel, Lik home feel like homeaway from home, and so I feel comtortat with the coaching stuff ecause tebeblwas an old missontejus proved me at first tin the year before I greve with highschool. He went to Albur, and so I ened up going over to Arburn with them,because I wasn't going to hod mes Om the time and I was going me six Paka,my brother played at I kind of want to create my own identity and then hellissue was Hou on Lis, but at the time you know SOM transition between jeer,Denardo and Co Savan, an Co saven came to my house and Ye Still Tryin toconvince me to the stage Crol with Lsu cul, not know much about him bat, thetime because he conpomichiocan state, because you way up north, you know dinget chance to learning him as much. You got time so to me, arbors is feell, morecomfortable, more like home, Ye o Wat sure take on like their cruiy processnow and like kids, committing when they're in. Like eighth grade yeah, it's crazy, but he's parents- I put it on a pairents ball.Mane, not say that is because coach is going to come at your kids as long asthey're allowed to come. Ith your kids. So when they come in your kids, is upto the parents. Sit these kids that to say: Hey, don't get so caught up intoall thist, recruiting process, you're...

...onl in the eighth and nine grade. So people going to like you, peoplegoing to space bed, but don't get so caught up into it to as all yourfocusing ou, they tell us. I coach He. I first retire from playing profootball. At my first couple years, I WOUSD Doit wit,SI grader seven grade ar eight graders, and then I also coachin the high schoollevel and his kid gets so caught up into the recruiting process that theynot even focus on what the team is doing. Half the time and to a pointwhere you trying to win a game on Friday night, but they're so worriedabout I trying to get theirs and when I say that it's just like they worr abouthow many kids jus they get, how many runny yords they get instead of woringabout, like, what's best put a team to win the game. So it's put a lot ofpressure on these kids, because every pairer watches the NF pretty much pageleague, baseball and basketball, and they see these contrasts go by thebottom of the screen. They see all these billions of dollars being thrownafter yes, everybody won't think hi have that opportunity to reach thattype of success. I like it, takes a lot of tress off your family financially.Bit the same time, though, you could be scressing these kids, I t at such anearly age. I put too much pressure on them that they never get to enjoy atthe sport and enjoy the game before it becomes a business coutue. You don'tonce you get to that level, it's a business and and everything so a lot ofkids to be a kid, and I love the game. An don't put that pressure on them tocommit. If a coach make you commit and force you to commit between eight gradeand ten grade, teen same on hill, an nom saying, because you shouldn't behaving to try to commit that early like if it's for you, it's going to be therewhen it's time to be there. If it's not thirs, something is is for you, so Ialways tell a kids don't put pressure on yourself. I someone come onto you. Iall right o engaging conversation, but don't puperson yourself to makeyourself feel like you got to make you a totally different kid from eightgrade to twelfeh grade you'l be totally obsticate. You have totally differentinterest, you don't know so don't make these decisions so early, but I thinkthat on the parents they have these keys out icous. They don't know thatyeah I mean especially. I mean I love social media, but especially there'sobviously negative to it, and I think that hypes them up and gives them toomuch of a big head, sometimes when they like blow up on social media and thenyeah like you're, like you, said, they're, not paying attention to likehelping the team win the game yeah like that's social, maybe that'sOl, they fear about when it comes like they put it on ther Saa such and suchas recruiting me and you just like, like you said, the kid hate got big anyour hate creater. So now you feel, like you al that you Ar Teie you, a big man on Campu isa Grad. I'm just like do got chill out. I pre for EGO, so you know that's oused to try to do t when I was coaching. I Ju, like you, Putd Nit Tho, somestuff, but but you know like I say they are on Lisprois their parents, and so they got him mow. Yeah. Tell me what like whatwas the media? Like you comng out of high school, it was just like, probablylike newspaper articles and stuff like that yeah it was newspaper articles thattime, taap the Espan everything time three hundred I reemberESPN, can to my high school my senior year and did a story on me and Iremember the whole schools going crazy and everything, and that was a funEXPERIENC. Ut also feel like the pressure that, yet that Friday nightyou got to go out and try to light it up. He's playing against one of ourbiggest rowers at night was well so an it was e funest parent as great and,like I said I have til, has someo most of my write up: SMARE game, differentarticles and everything, but it wasn't Nott light now bike todaywere these kids is social media. Everybody know who you are yon now wasgo it you off an building taut. I just coaching high school, kids and kidscome to me and say coach and Kiters...

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I wouldn't let it get to me or makeexcuses or whatever I just try to make the most of it and they keep going yeah.So I got to talk about your senior year. You guys went undefeated and didn't getpicked for the National Championship. So what was your feeling then? And thenwhat you'r feeling now with the new system with fourteen hadred, theplayoffs? I was Crestin, you know played in thehardest. You know evision on no CC and at the same time,out of the three of us that your USC Oklahoma and Canabern. We have thetoughest schedule of three and everything. So you know rightfully sowe should have been a national championship, GAM and the thing aboutit. We was lowly at that year and that we hit on Ou, cylinders and WOWAS ISO.One of those here d you feel, like you, couldn't be defeated, thats, how closeour team was and we fall for each other, but the tin. I think the great thingthat came right if it was we use the reason in all the playoff talk startedand because they role, I hid team, an SC if this matter to get theFinnational Cham street game that just shouldn't ever happen, so that startof,the conversation of. How can we make this right so thi? It doesn't everhappen again and and everything so it took thim a few years to go through itand then nest thing. You know the playoff system started, and so I wouldlike to think our team is wil, be known as team that was a team to spart theplayoff to because after we tin't get to play the NAST GAM sho game a year,the SC one on the Wayn, seven mastor champonships in a ro and everything. Soyou know so. Hopefully they open? U Door whereother team win get left, aut be there's team at to us. That was even on thefeedet. They got to play the NATINAL CHAMPON SI game. You know even withinTha Dis, five years and everything. So I like to think that you know our teamat a big part of changing history, so that allwas lost Asto got Nas Tam, Shu,rins whatever, but ive been awesome playing the game, but the same time itdoesn't take away from our season. Asto AD, a pretty season awesome season and andriht was so deserved in the nationalchance, but we opene the doors up for two thousand and TNTEEN and teams thatcame after that. Yeah wwas it like claning that offene and I get a lot ofweapons for you, man, Ye Om, my fun. You know you ti,got ca like a runny. You ow both played te National Football League out. Threeof US was no first round draft Paks and came in together in college and e fouttogether, and you know just all those close- and you know still friends andbudges nowadays and everything we're grunning. We cantae at being back downthere on campus as Theyr UN, the best coach and then running myself doing alot of radio work for the Arbor Sports Network and the football department.You know it's just you know, it means a lot, but the playwith those guys Ba was aspanding and did the receivers that we had it. Helformor hejust played an NFL accorde Taylor and being a a Min neand Devin, aRoman to do and Anthony Mints and I'll for those guys play this level and remy office Lo an played to this level. So you know it was just a greatesparince man and Ateen thatd. I Wont Ever Forget T I always remember, Wel,be saving to sit on the porch still talking about it, just because him as Icose work, and I still call thew a joke on the rag on about something but itisone of those teams. Man, there was no selfishness, totally onselfish footballteam. Nobody complained about who was touching up ball who's geting the ball.It was all about whatever the defense wee ass. Well as Shat Week. That's whatwe were going to attack yeah, it's awesome and what ID an offthe field? What did it mean to you to graduate and get your degree? Yeahi been a lot. I alread told mymomoon to graduate college and the do it before mysengior year. Football was even better running an myself being o Gras WaitinAugust and one of my other buddies done the Yo. So we all graduated Augustbefore football season started and o...

...four. So during my singiore year I wasable to intern with the Bayor wore at the chamber of comer, so I got case tolearn hes annouce about how things work in the city and things and they justdon't pomp up to jt, see the like what they got to go through it ar the geatrestaurants up or in order to you know people com in town on they stop by theChamber and as like you know, what's the most proper things in town, how youget the decide to get to that. So I learned a lot what tose, all in Tennescity, by work on TA board and everything and sell to graduate, and I had a pressortrying to finish school and everything. While I'm trying to finish my senioryear of Football Wasit was Awsom so going o Sommer Chool Lo those yearspaid off, Gad, definitely yeah yeah, I mean that's crazy. You didn't have toworry about school during football season, all right, Yeh I as Almot likeYous Planin, the lead Taein yer before you was actually end of the leag. So of course you AO take AOUTF just acouple of classes, but it was enothing like because Il my real clas are I'mgraduating, so in more antern stil for me and what was your predraft processlike pre, jrafis cool, an went to seniorbowl and I had a great singor bow wee. I ened up being of PASA player, thegame for the South Squad and and everything and then you know from Senorbows baing for the combine and e Pairenfor proday. Proday is probablyone of the most funnis days, because we has so many people hat. I prodate thatit was Sirpe around the football field and, and it was a Cilin because that'sthe most people have ever come batch te Argan pro day and then there's teenkids from other school going to participat. I Pro Dad. I remember I graTosh Liht, no IAS like yeah. I didn't hearn all this attention for people tobe coming out here, n. He was like you know. This is what the guys ut theirtails with it and did everything they have to do here. Create this. So youknow we're not trying to take away from tem everything SSO. It was guys tha,Planit Olverof, you played it. Alre was somewhere else and coach was cool withyou ne Wil. Let you come and participate N on that proday and to owe not having a great proday man. A lot of people came out, saw a lot ofcoachin. My family was able to be there, so it was fun times. Man Funmember, Iwas tell you guys. Bay enjoy the POMENT BA CAS hi Thingil, always las Ni wasjust like o Goin os playing NF. Even a dog bas like just enjoy the bom,because what is over is over and then its own to something else, but you knowmake the most of I like: Don't try to take the easy way out on'. Try to getaway from e get around the ground like is a grand and but it will pay off foryou, but the same time enjoy the process. Man I'll be in such a reshtatprocess on being such a RESHTA. I can't wait to get through this, so I can getto that, like I can tell any of man enjoy every opportunity of it. Endoythe trainin enjoy the conversations enjoy. The geting O know. People likedon't be too good, O to not get the no fomks. You know you know people colyou're done plain that everyone does cared that you were I jersey, but a lotof folks that you meat will remember you, because how you were you MEDEM, sodon't be a buthold to people. You know just because you feel like you can yeahfor sure and then during draft day was there like a few teams, that youthought you were going to get drafted by and like did you know, Thet Redskinsare going to pick you yeah. I had a feeling race gin on pick me e have camedown earlier that week and everything and- and they coach Thad told me Coash, yes,Tobe, say hey you stilr there. You know we're not picoms, you know we're.Definitely taking you and and everything so that yoar had to Drapis,and I knew they deeded a corner. I knew they wan. A youngr quarterback by newcorner was top ror to call marbadales the there's a quarter, bat. He wasgetting older, so they lit Carlos with the first one, and then they went andget me with the second picking the...

...first round they had so they had twopicks in the first round and everything. So you know that was pretty cool gettingdrafted with a teammate and both from the same round and everything so an owha that was pretty cool yeah. What was it like to just hearyour name? Ten Man, it was so Eudik aperence Ti was in Auber had a lot of family, friends and town.So I ask Wer left O wint upstairs. I Know Ris Cams about to pick me andnobody CUND findme and everything I real do it. I just wanted to hear theirReaston, so any son, it tick me. You know. Of course I heard everybody gocrazy downstairs and everything, and at its holling everybody like ywhere Youaten I came back that says I did no, my mom a dad was cridand. My OfficeCordnado was there and everyone was crying and everything, and so I was more excited happy bun. I sawthe smiles of their faces, then thet just or myself tocause the facthat. Ican make good on the promise that I proai my mom and Dad iull come by myhome one day, a dew home and everything that I was good. I was able to makegood on that promise and I know they had Tou like sit out the first season,so basically Ike red shirt ear. So what was that ely? That was tough. That wastough for me. You know coming on for singing year that I had, and you know,watching my friends, cattle that and I'll get rooked a year. I watch a runnyplaying that year at Carlos Plan and you know- and I'm just like do all myboys, a plan and I bike gotta stay over here and you know the hold this clipboard. I delik something that I wasn't used to. You know something I have'ever had to do and, like you, Sai e Sid in a race shirt. So you know I feel,like man is taken away from somelike game, because when you're, hot andyou're feeling it you want to continue and I to have to be sal for a wholeyear. You know is to at the same time you know Gotto, learn a lot have tolearn the game, itent to learn a lot about players and the dynamics ofpreparing as te NFL, quarterback and, and things like that. So you know I just I learned a lot from marking Marketathet year and everything, but the same time it was tough to have to sit andwatch when you, when you first especiallycome out of collegn and your hadrafted yeah, then what was it like to? Finallytake the field in your first game? Well, it was weird because I went fromrunning to practice quateam to all of a sudden. They calld me n office manGames until the season. I was second year and I mea seven o Sean Nagain to tseason second year. SAYING: Hey it's your time and like what I hadn't BenRennin O play you. It is, and you're going against der Brooks and a Tempbabuckineers with a run, the barber and all those guys at the defense that theyhad so my first storn the NFFLD GIN be intemperbat against the books. Defense,I said, are you kidding me and they had just went to the playoffs a year before,so they wer stick, and I was just like okay, so I was nerve because I had to run apress bub. At the same time, I was Esiy this I okay, you know Tslust do it. SoI went down en my first past ot pitr goball and I mar as a perket ball andhis frenda low, Rigtin and and Hetty COLTY PROBAB LA score and yeah droppedit a cam to San. I man, I'm so sorry it dropped your first past man and itwould have been a Fiftyyar bomb terepay. That would look that, like taint brindn eahi really wanted that wit bro Butbut.I end up Havin a really good game, agame to touchdown no turnovers and we lost the coast on at the end, but...

...it was a good game and whatwawas your overll experience withthe retin man I'll, say: crazy, crazy man, bout, a chaos. Yand know hey great time.My teammates to- and you know I love living that DC area, but as for as theI onte feelr self ut, just so much chaos Ma. So many coachere changes somuch stuff that people don't know about that would go all behindthose doors and,and then I had to play through where no one to Wan any player to have to gothrough what I went through and stuff that I hade to see and hear and do. Butyou know itwas another one of those mumbes where you granted out like Isaid I was grateful for being able to play in the league, but the same time Iwish it could have been a better experience with with you know, someonemore appreciative and everything and of your hard workind your dedicationand everything and but same time ow. I wouldn't trade any other fornothing. You know you go through it for a reason, but at the same time yourealize you don't get one shot at the NF and tat that you know you still was able tohave a good career through all the chaos whor. A lot of people would havevoted and not even made it. You know he still able to stayn tall with theandoer Tan te and and walk away from the game. Yo. All Tern I still hadanother year two to play on me: contract well country, Al First, but Iwalked away from the game after ten years. Just because I was tired of itand at I was ready to do something. Els e Life Eah. Well, so when you got treaded tothe raiders, was that refreshing you for a fresh start? Yeahit was you knowit was hard the same time, because you know I feel, like Wil Watch, to cut methrough and tfor my numbers to keep going up. You know I thought I deserveda new contract there and a new. You know. New regime and a new Ou knowdifferent culture, but, as you realize sometimes things you cant Chanan, GesMeber out e door. So when I went to Okra it was different. First Torg Iwould hope I was glad I became a raider becalled Raider fans, Landa r dynamic,and so I got the experience live in California for a few years and and andget chancs play for them and have training, Campin tap povat an I do. Youhave a training, Campin, nefor Vali, so youus San to go to win tastins and allthese different things, while you're there for those three weeks and andeverything. So it gave me another enjoyment of life, so I enjoyed ThatporValey man, I enjoyd being a raider hand. I was winning there. I was having areally good career for Sha Bromacallabon and everything changeafter that, and you know it's my country a year, so you know it kind offucked a little bit but the same time. You know I don't let it take away fromthis perence, like you know, you can tros from control what you can you moveon a then you went to the beers for a yearand then you went to the Brown, so you got to got. You gotto tell me about thebrowns because, like I feel like they always get hyped up and then tr just aOto corgzation sa this to Brown fans or some of the greatest fans over. Theyare ta hard and I can see why chaos and stuff happens there. Man Like when Igot there, they said I'll go compete for the stor job, Whi sign there and Ireally didn't get chance to compete for and everything. But at the same timeyou know I was trying to Hilp the younger guys out and everything on mytime d come Ay, wait to the hardest part of Skhiseme, and then they startedme and the I was having ae really good game. An was on to doin up by whattwelve points were like two minutes ago in the game and we lose and just stufflike that were hamper like we in Kansas City, and you know, on the road, we'rewinning and got a Opportuni to close the game out in something chaotihappene Thang. We lose and it's just games where we right there to win thegames ar just something crazy will always happens. But we end up having agood year on film EV, though the record...

...an showt, and we su like man thateverybody comes back that year, we dont Ge Tel team, and that was the case. Butat the end of the year, thiy broke everything up that year and got rid ofpeople and everything and and Iwas just like wow. I was like thisis the Brown. This is why this stuff keeps happening because they don't lotut the deal. Thoy're always changing it. The first year don't go off to hit theplayoffs. Let's get rid of the whole regime at start over again it doesn'twork that way and that's why losing tean continue to be losing teams antins.That Wen has win in mindsit because there's a formula there's no formulajust doing it the way that they do it a and yeah know you had a you played forthe Bangles for one year and then you decided to retire, and now you justtouch on a little bit. What made you retire and not come on o go to anotherteam. Yeahi H, all fers man, Baltimore ragescame at me really hard to come back up flecto at the time, and then you knowSincna Jus, trying to give it come back there and I a just ad appointment. Ithink a lot of fruscration just added up comes when I was in Oakland when Igot hurt all my numbers. I was top Tin League and a lot of catasors and I washaving a great year and is my country a year where any of ther quarterbatisever play the game. You don't lose your job to injury and you don't lose yourcontrast, Specialy when you having a great season and that a Probo typeseason and for e me to come back and then they take my country and give itto another quarterback and then not get Redu and then another team. I picked Uup as a starter, because all the jobs ere taking it's not where it is likenow days were so many jobs for quarterbats as open for stor positions.I feel in is Lihtin that year, where there wouldn't a lot of open, stor job,but my job was the raters quarterback position. I had earned itdone o thingsI supposed to do to keep it and for the only game, my country gop, tosomebody else, but it took a lot out of me and it hurt me and acrush me andeverything. I just think for that point Ol. I was never able to really get areal stor, an opportunity and everything I think it did wait on meand just you know, got me to a point where I just ton Ou to like football,no Marl, because the kids inside just got to Loky and it took the it took theheart out of it for me, and I just I as just really just walk away from thegame and do something else, because I feel like I pull my heart hard workingto an you, see guys it doesn't work as hard and as you give them stuff givethem give them tin of transgive them money and the guys that bus they tellwor in screemin the Hor to put a lot into it. It almo like they treat you asas, if you're someone that they just against just ecous you're trying to dothe right thing and you almost fe AP punish in a way. So you know it was bifelt unfair, but same time. You know I appreciate the years anopportunity, but it was time to Mo Long Cau what they were trying to offer mewas a worth. I felt the HEA TAT I would be taken because I feel like they had alreadytaken a lot from before what I did get to the game. Now after, like maybe likea few years, went bak, did you have a itch to ever play again or no youknow? You always had a competitivedraft. You KGOW after few years, go by you like man, you know, maybe o couldgo back out there and play Wuth him by that time I alte injure soat the race othe end. You know my knee got really bad righ. I have to have ne surgery.You know their days. You Waked up is super sore and everything and you justlike. No, I'm good I' good, a you. I'm okay, t what advice would you give to a youngathlete or a young football player? I just tell young athlete man if you'rein college, don't focus so much on the Nfal last pet. Just focus on the nowyou know: Do Hart Work Hardas! You can Wy you tery in college to be the bestcollege players Ooul, be you know to help your help, your team, an to succeeand then, when that time comes man Higer your teams to see you gong to see.So don't worry about all the other...

...stuff its going to come. If your guy isin a prose, I tell every athlete that save your money, like you, don't needto spend as much money as you do when you're playing football because you'reoccupied you're, always training, you're, always planning game, alwaystravelng Youre with a team, so you're preoccupied most of the time you spendmost of your money is when you were time from football cause. That's whenyou have your families. That's when you know you Impul, you give sense o enjoywhat you made. You know your fruits and everything, and but if you don't saveyour money and you just out spindis Bin, an spending crazy, ther you're doneYouv neting to show for it Cil become disappointed because you have a thinkman like Gos Willin. Your life has a long opportunity in front of it morethan did behind you, so you have to compare for that. So I always tell Goyman and a way to save you. Money. Ba Life live off twenty thirty percent ofyour money and put the other sae percent in the bank. You know everyyear that you have a salary, so thet that way you can enjoy your life moreso or you're done than having Te scruggle after you had an opportunityto be blessed with so much yeah. What else have you been doing?Post Crook, ithe, domagic, Coachin, High SchoolKids, coaching, youth, kids and doing the radio stuff? I do radio forAubern, also Dobo on podcast, show on't, believe podcast Bleab, podcasting,Typing Auburn, all things a Aubur wit Taylor, Taylor Davis. So I do that showwith her and everything is my toost, and so I've been doing that man justhaving good time and and enjoy life and just taking everything an everythingone dayfor time, a just finding a way to gite back to the younger generationand everything trying to pour into them and then, at the same time you know Ihave my own nephews and stuff is in the game. Now this is sports, and so I tryto Helt my brother out WI training, I'm en working them out and getg themprepared, and everything was well for sure. What do you think about allthis QB mixup right now? It'Sgen everyone getting new quarter, Bo yeaheverybody getting I quarterbat IIT's, almost like it's, the newis Tou. Youknow Orwans a new toys, sometimes whith things are Chaoti like what's going onright now. You know everyone wants Taa brand newcar and I was something that, u feel the ego short term, but is the rightfor long term so es. No, you see a lot of quarterbasts bouncing around youseel a lot of quarter best it you know, may not get an opportunity, te be a starter again and you knowstill young and everything, but that's the nature of the game and QUARTERBACpositions, the hardest position, all professional sports, because a lot ofeverything is predicated on how things go around. you start so per sa. Whatyou do all the time of have thing go on around you because a lot of time, thequarterback position is the biggest ecape goat and all the sports to Yandnow is a escape gibig sometime, poaches use when they know they do tnot Donwhat they supposed to do. Sometimes an escape go for other players around youor they're, not doing they supposed to do its easy to pount the Fingerat, thegay that gets all the attention when you win and you to quarterback at to beready to accept a lot of a lot of attention, an whan you lose as well. Soyou know it's a tough position. I say you got to be different as a person toplay that position, especially National Footballle. Are you ready for some fun questions?A'RE GON NA go from average O tings w you. What's your favorite Song Right now, ohNanthey were so gotthat'sgood one man I'me. I only Hav one right now. That'show bad I hadn't eeen listening to ridio that much oi can't even thinkofone right now all right. What about what was your first big purchase? Firstbig purchase was about my parents, the...

...house. Did you? Did you surprise Hem, like didthey know Wa, I warran to surprise them, but I couldn't because I had to get offthe training CINL. So I had to had in to go around with the remit, your ladyand look at houses looking back at it. I kind of wish I would just wait toseasons over with and then went back and got the house and then just Tokthem for a rab and say Youre, the keys, you house, Yeahyeah, that's cools, that's so cool, obviously,yeah who's, your top five favoritequarterbacks Tougfi. I probably say I like graty Fok ot bakhe's, alwaysbeen cool, even he's a mega star. He always came over spoke to me. EFORGames, Pai, Mannin, now he's another guy is always a standup gay breat far. If you know Hese from my eradown in Mississippi Random Cuntingham, you know I was likeround the tall lanky guy could throw it everything born moon and was another guy I used tolike and enjoy watching him play as well, and then you know it just toughfor me, because you know I was a big fan of Stevan thereiy fan of MichaelVigan and Doug Williams. You know guys that I looked up, to wit, Talsyo nosthe Sames, all black quarterbask, but those guys is really. I said in thestandard for guys like myself and- and I got just to meet a lot of greatblack quarter best man, people, don't Ev, know a lot abollet Shag hairs and Isayind play thet grandma and played it infl. You know really tied you troughthe Balto ear rice in college. You know basically vally stake where, if it wasnowadays, he definitely been playing in a league. So you know it's now just persae those guys that nowadays, Man People Forget about the guys that camebefore us and is I wasn't for them. Man Like it would have been an oppesenitfor me just like if it wasn't for the figs and myself and this Yals or theworld would have been Opportuni for the cams, and you know the Wistons and andknowand guys like this, so we're all paying it forward. Ah, do you think the black quarterback is like on therise or do you think like since you've started? You think there's more now orno? I think it's becoming more now. I thinkTheyre Really Starin to believe in now us now where they don't change us manlike when I was there, I could run and Brok, but they wuld, sometimes tryng tochange me. You know saying like may be, like change my throwing motion and wher,you look at someone like Philler rivers. They never bisse for his throwingmotion, but for whatever reason they woild always try to change our throwingemotion. Al Try to you know make you do this different and nat want you to runas much were now they emphasize won you running more. The emphasit, like Bik,was on one that cant make do that Ow I' saying were now they let you do thatmore often and they even put it in within the game plan and thaw theseoffenses that theye running it fits better because you have a dynamicathlete back there playing quarterback Sho, you put a con of persure ondefense and then and then, like a guy like the Margessin, whose throwingability has gotten a lot better and yo can beat you with the four three speedlike it's hard for defensive. To prepare forthat. That only thing I was safe for him ishe just got to learn how to protect hemself he's on a good job. You know heknows how to dodge a lot of his because he's so quick and everything where youknow the shun tastes. A lot of hits it's on. thiing wher he was to shun, ishe gets, pounded a lot man and you now. He gotta get some guys in front of him,but he also got partikular stelf a little bit better. When he's Aski a theCOCTER. Do any of these, like quarterbacks reach out to youever. You know I tolpe to Jay the hears. Youknow a little bit and you know he's a guy that not communicate a little bitand you know some of these guys. I see Hem in person sometimes speak andeverything, but you know man like nowadays s Al go pay when you're notplaying your atthe way, and these young kids got so many people coming at Hemand and everything- and you know an...

...this almost like, if you have to make astar or whatever you don't really get the attention or whatever they don'tunderstand like stuff, that a lot of us went through reason, ther, king, theseopportunities and and everything, but you o say I support them all from afar,and if I say I always see him, I speak to him, but social media make these kids man feellike they're. So big nowadays that they don't need anyone else, afor sure whatwas your favorite stadium to plan, favorite stadium playing was O, say, Kansas City, and I reali saythat is because they din Ge Tomahol its just a liveatmosphere. Man feels like you playn in the college, elmosphere en you go thereand, and I think that would make it unique. Who would you want to do a Jerseyexchange with that you didn't do I wish I Dida Tos. This change wit of I wish ID done, one wit with my dig man this, because you know big was that guy that playedon Matt you play with on man when Usin College Ou knowit everything I de with I when Iplayed against me Washington and he was Ba Tofatin and I was started foRasecans I was like man I come. I did not get this to Jersey and howcome. Ididn't get right down O my mat, Dan Jersey and and other guys, which knowwhat I'm gonna find the way to see if I stik and get their Jerseys Jersey, wamp thing with a huge thing:back thin good Riyeahis, a huge thngand, Wes Havea God tat yeah, I think yeah. Ithink it's cool that NFL, like adopted, deat from soccer, basically yeah and and last one. What do you liketo do in your free time? Free Time, Maw Oi? I go goin o go I and just kind of spend time on my dedand Parmen pet paents whatever, but golf is a hobby. I kind ofvelop havehad these serges and I got to wear a brace when I go so and Mak p Ma go swinbecause I'm not able to try to cure the ball, so butat I' Proba Sais, my main hobby, tenin being a foody la, even different foods. Okay, what what's your favoritefood, a I'm, a seafood guy? At the same time, I try everything Iknowthe people look at my instagram take Campbo oned seven. They probablysay that is to loves te sercers. Whole Li, but when I do go somewhered I see agood essert on the Meyou, I'm going to try it, I'm not going to eat the wholething, but I'm goingto try it B. I appreciate you coming on and an youhave the listers know where they could follow you at yeah. You follow me otwitter, at Cappra, JCAL, I'm score one seven and then on Instagrad Fal get jCampbell, one seven o instagroum and you know like say Le For youall. Followme and you know post amd commins. If you want to- and you know andeverything, but you know I we AL trying to go the same place. Sothat's how I move forward again. preciate you come now Ali appreciate itFal on the prof.

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