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Jesse James Kosakowski | Average to Savage EP49

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This is the forty-ninth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring MMA fighter Jesse James Kosakowski. Paul Guarino talked with Jesse James Kosakowski discussing being born into mixed martial arts, his MMA career, and his fight coming up on May 31st at CES MMA 56. Follow Jesse James Kosakowski https://www.instagram.com/JESSEJAMES_KOZ/ Powered by PG Sports https://www.pg-sports.com

This is the average to savage podcastwith Paul Greno, everyone in anyone, athletes sets and much more to up. Everybody. On back for another episode of the average savage podcast or specialguests. Today's MMA fighter Jesse James Kazakowski, who is currently three. And Oh, Jesse, how's it going going great, man, just waking upmy morning coffee. Appreciate you coming up and let's a rist of the money. Yeah, yeah, definite, no problem. So let's just jump rightinto it. How'd you get into mixed martial arts? I started mixing MarkArts when I was very little. Most people, you know, start out, you know, five, six years go, three years ago, twoyears ago. I started when I was little, like little bit of waslike for years old. I was blessed to have my father, my father, he started more starts by can like the thousand nine, D and sixty. So I just been working with the hands of those little and now I'vejust taken it to a whole new level. Now I'm three. You know,I want to five a Nosa amateur and here we are. Just tookit from, you know, the bay bottom and just puts the top.Yeah, definitely. I think once you get bigger and bigger. I thinkthat's going to be the intriguing story that your father been in the game forso long. And what age did you know like you wanted to go proand like when did you know you were like good enough to like be pro? So, I mean, you know, everybody you know has some story.So I did want to do that those things when I was very small, I would I would say. was until I really started, you know, compete in when I was like age eight. Once my first tournament andI went home. I didn't I didn't take first. Actually took so Itook a third place for home in a fourth police trophy. Home I wentto this dragon slayer tournament and ever since I compete that first day I wasjust hope. That was damn, I need to compete all the time.I just wanted to compete, compete, compete. I remember that by ageten I won my first tournament and that's what I was like, yeah,like I knew what I was. I...

...was like I could, I coulddefinitely do this, you know. And then I remember I went home thatday and they have, I believe it was kimball slays versus. Can sharethat TV and I was like a long time. We gave us a bigsite for the time. I was kind of like, you know, notequal to but you know, it is kind of like MC Gregor versus Aldoor something, you know. I mean everybody was watching that. You AnimaSae watched it, and I remember watching that. I was like, youknow, I knew if I got older I was, I could be somebodylike that. You know. I mean, yeah, I was just like Iwas this, I want to stay with this. So where I startedcompete in the amateurs as I was, I was going one hundred two,one hundred and three, and know, I just knew. I'm like,I'm going, I'm going all the way with this. Yeah, definitely it. Like you said, you went five know, as an amateur, andthen what was the moment that you and your team decided like it was timeto go pro? After my Pat Casey fight, it was a it wasa big lead up to fight. We had a lot of people don't knowwhat happens behind the scenes, but I had a lot of injuries throughout myimage crap. I had a lot of people that pulled out when I wasinjured. I even caught the fucking mumps you know, of all bring themracy, and I started, but I caught the moms. That prevented mefrom fighting one time. I believe it was June of two thousand and seventeen. So I couldn't fight so many different times and I was just like,you know what, this is the probably doesn't happen the PRO Games. AndI know I was already at that level. I was going to have gone toother gyms and I was competing, you know, very well, ifnot beating pro fighters, and I mean so I was like let's go pro. Yeah, for the next level. Yeah, remember, I remember whenyou got the mums and I was like, what the hell, like that's likean old sickness. Yeah, it's weird. I don't understand. Ieven got vaccinated everything for sometimes, I guess, the doctors, so theycould still so through. Yeah, then going into your first pro fight waswhat was that experience like? It was a good spraince. You know,it was cool because, you know, I went out there, it wasnot like a stage that I've fallen on...

...before, so it wasn't like itwas really like any different than any of them. I fights, you know, at the Moke can son Multiple Times I had already been there, soI was like I've been there, done that. I just put out thereand did what I was doing throughout my imagr career. Go out there andI actually league one with one of the same moves that I won with,I believe, in my previous amateur fights to at one with a show rockfrom Kiska Tommy. So it was all very familiar to me. It wasn'tlike I was in like a different environment, Aything, but I knew right there. I was just like yeah, let's keep it going, let's keepit wrong. Yeah, definitely. Now could you explain to me like whatyour specialty is like in mixed martial arts? I would say my specialty is somemix moonshis just being, you know, a well rounded fighter. You know, there's a lot of fighters you know the good the good of onearea. That goodnessary. You know, I consider myself to be a completeyou know mixed martial or. It's like I'm going my striking. You know, I'm good on the ground. I've won, if you look at mytepology, have one all of my fights, you know, by submission. Youknow s I'd say I'm obviously, you know, more tone to thegrap one, but I wouldn't consider myself just a grap of those. LikeI'm like, I'm not like a Damian BIOS out there York states to tryto take you to the ground. And I mean I'm everywhere. I workevery day, work my striking probably twice as hard as my ground game.You know, I've just been doing ground so long. I've been training grapin terms of its own grapple terms, since I was eight years old.So when you're doing graph of her, since you've been eat you. Soit's just kind of like ingrained in your system. Yeah, see, whenI first discovered you, I thought you were going to be like a bigstriker. It's because you're like big. And then I saw like your style, I was like wow, this guy's like super technical. I in secretbloom. I appreciade them a mess. So your last fight was on BellTour Two hundred and sixteen, and then, I know that was still at Moheganboat. What was it like different from the other profiles? Now thatthe belt or fight was different after I felt different onto the lights. Ifelt like I was more I don't know, I just I just feel like thedifferent person, like I was in...

...there for like a greater purpose thanI was in my in my previous fights. Actually do that thought the MOHEGANS before. But some about those lights, about I just felt like, youknow, I was I was there, you know, for a reason.I mean I like it, I love the experience. The crowd was crazyand you know, the noises, everything. I just really took it in.I enjoyed it. Well, I was doing it, I would say, prepared to my Mohegan experiences with reality thing. It was definitely much bigger, bigger moment form. I would say it was probably the biggest bullman mycareer. Yeah, for sure. Can you take me like through that fightin like how you got the rare naked choke hold to finish them? Yes, so everybody saw me like this with Alto Woti together saying that he wasgoing told out swinging. You know he's got a hard right hand, youknow he lets his shots go. So I get out there expect I waskeeping Nice, long ranging, you know. I was keeping my distance. Mylead hand, my leaf, it was right there ready to come,and he wasn't throwing muff and I'm like do what he's doing. The oppositeof what I was training for this whole camp and then I was just likeI'm gonna make things happen. Start popping my jamb up there. Lanta jetran, the sidekick, will around all the SIME saw takedown. I wasI'm going to take them down. took him down bow and a lot ofpeople are like, why is he taking down a bjj black boat? ButI had no where my levels at was why I was training without they came. I was trying to with black belts, ground boats, everything throughout that wholecampaign, leash. So I already know. I already knew what Iwas ready for, Bjj, black bag one, and that I wouldn't takea fight if I know I couldn't handle it. Anyways, boys hating therefightening and number in the second round. I made it a huge elbow,that huge alpile open them up and not that. Basically was thanks. Basicallywould allowed me to slip them the room and control. Yeah, definitely.And like I saw on twitter, you went you went a little viral onthere, and was there any like anything that stood out to you, likeanybody that reached out or anything particulars just I'm just happy that I was ableto get the experience. You know,...

I would actually went along with goinginto bolts or but the contract deals that they had, I just didn't wantto take that felt. But the best was to go over to see us. For me, thirty one, because it just seemed to have more opportunities. I'm looking even bigger than built orner. Look at I'm looking at the USC, the big stage, and if I won this fight, you know, going to the big stages. Yes, I'm thinking. You see contender seriesdefinitely like going into a fight. Do you look up film on youropponents? Yes, I don't really hide when when I look at fly itfrom being not to look at ful. And if you you got it,you gotta know what the string to the table. Non Sit there, youknow, steady film all day long. Like you know, I look atyou guys. See His habits. You know, I see his habits.Was a good or bad? You know, and then I trains won't can't youknow, based off of what the others the same time. I'm alwaysI'm not always focused on that, but they're going to do this specific thing. Look at my last fight. You know, the guy I expected tocome out aggressively, he was staying back like he didn't want to engage withthe striking and he didn't want to engage with the grappling, you know.So you really can't trust them. At the end of day, owner couldchange up the whole style. YEA, happen actually a couple times where I'vestudying the point and he was crazy, you know, crazy, wildly.He goes in there and you know he's tight, he's technically the fight.That's why you should always be spiled with different bodies in the gym, gettingdifferent looks and getting looks whether they're while, whether they're, you know, whetherright down the tag with the punchers, you know, technical strikers, everything. You know that you got to fight different styles, prouty might ie, you know, bjj a wrestlers. You know it's a get. Yougot to be so everything. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I think it'skind of weird when I hear fighter say that don't watch film and I kindof feel like it's a lie. Like you, I feel like, ifthere is film available, why Wann't you watch it? I feel like there'sguys a live out of they want to act like they're but they don't needto study from you. YEA, which...

...is kind of ignorant, of myopinion. You can't be stupid not to. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Thatmeans two thousand and nineteen. We got YouTube. I got nothing hotbecause I'm always working different stuff in the gym. I'm always trained different stuff. You know, when I'm in the gym I'm you know, I'm constantlylearning, constantly rolling. I'm never working the same things over and over.Yeah, definitely. And going into your fight, you got it may thirtyone ces fifty six. You're fighting Ryan jet who is four and five.How do you see this fight playing up? Yeah, I'm not looking the guyover. He's, you know, he's born five, but he foughtnothing but tough guys, you know, and his answer career he only hadlosses amateur. so He's going to be definitely. He is the most experience, you know, cool, collected, you know, really to get thejob. But I'm going to be definitely carefully. He's got tired bull pans, he's got snapplebull punches. At the end of the day, anybody canget knocked out, you know, and you're in there when you're when youhave for sleep, swinging at you anything get happens. I'm just going todo the same thing. I've been there, you know. Well, they're nicelyrelaxed poise do what we see. Definitely how do you like stay relaxedin a fight, though, I feel like this play is this experience,you know, I've been doing so long that I really don't think I couldbe on the when I go there. I'm just I'm at home. Yeah, it's kind of like my second home. It's like kind of the way I'vedescribed the him as my home. You know, when I'm in thecage, that's my home. I'm in there, that's that's where I livefor that moment. Definitely, definitely speaking of home. What it what's itgoing to feel like to fight even closer to home this time? And Heartfor already selling tons of tickets. I'll...

...see. Yes, you're going tobe happy about that. Yeah, so much of tickets. Everybody's setting meup. It's real cool, man. I like prefer if you find theMohegan sign, that we mean, but Mohegan sons will he can sogn youknow, you can go out to you know, people like going to theCasino. You know there's so much to do with the CASINA, but it'sgoing. It's going to be cool, though, to go to the ConnecticutConventions. I believe it's the second, only the second time, to takehad it there so far, so it's going to be cool experience. Yeah, definitely. If for those like who don't know, I tell me whata training camp is like, it's it's kind of got a lot of bads. You know, it's a training camp. You know, it's a struggle,but the end day to pay pay. So if I would say, youknow, it's just multiple training sessions, you know, but a lot ofpeople don't understand, though, it's a lot of recovery to you know, ice bass, you know, stretching, rolling out the you know, piletherapy sessions, you know, sauna everything. You know your you gotta, you got to recover in between those sessions. This, you know,to take a rush and I mean you're going one thing to the next andthe next it's busy. You're staying busy out through can't. Yeah, definitely. What are your goals for two thousand and nineteen? For Two thousand andnineteen? Yeah, I would say contender. Serious man. Honestly, you know, I'm going to get this win. You know, made thirty one.Then, let's say, another fight. Right after that, they offer youanother site. When that one, you know, stay. Offer meone more. Take that one, could get another win. I'm sure youhave. He's going to be knocking on my door for contender shot. Hundredpercent. Yeah, definitely, be dope. Yeah, be sick. That's reallywhat I'm looking looking forth. Definitely. All right. So you're ready forsome fun questions. They're going to go from average to savage. What'syour playlist like when you're training? playlist? Yeah, basically the HIP hop.Obviously trains because I know the replicace me because it's up to train.Yeah, I have a little bit of...

...some might feel a little bit ofKendrick little, a little bit of everything that. I really appreciate all aboutthat. A lot about that. Yeah, for sure, for sure. whowas your favorite fighter growing up? I would say GSP. I alwayswont either GSP or fade or mad fade, where was like said, that wasthe US, like the nyme guy to me when I was I wouldwatch him damn first some motherfuckers knocking everybody outs and everybody. I used towatch him. I was just I want to be like fater when I waswhen I was a little kid. My Dad used to really like fatal stuffbecause you sambo. Yeah, I appreciate that. He was like a differenthe was like a different style. You know, all the all the guysback then were all my type, saying you got, this guy from Russiawas coming. But I always appreciated GUSC to because gusp was always a technicalstriker and he comrestel. He learned how to wrestle after after I believe hewants to fight and then he went out kind of wrestle after that. SoI always appreciated both those fighters. After the most got you got two goodones. What do you like to do in your free time when you're nottraining? Well, I'm not training. I actually I really like hiking.I like I like the outdoors. After the outdoors, I like the drawI'm actually people. A lot of people don't know, but I like ourever since I was calling out my sure, my family, but I was takingbecome an artist because I was drawing like all the time when I wasI took our classes, stuff like that. Yeah, it's dope. I justgot to keep on the locust. I'm always training. Now here trainingfour seven. So I was kind of my life hip. Gotcha. Who'sone guy that you'd want to fight, dead or alive? One Guy?I want to fight that at. HMM, I've never thought of that. Youso hard question. Yeah, so I don't really I don't really wantto fight anybody uses, you know. Gotcha. Godamn, I want tofight that guy. Let's say. Would you say like, would you wantto like train with like GSP? Yeah,...

...definitely, I would definitely go totrain with ches. Actually, my boy Steve used to us we're tryingto go up for a long year, but never we never ended up foundthe listening going do it. I would definitely go chance tram USP. Thatbe sick. Gotcha. And last one. Would you rather give up MMA orhave a million dollars rather give up in the mayor? We're having those. I would say I wouldn't give up them and make four million dollars beyondestbecause I know you know down the line, I mean even though may fires doesn'tseem like they met that much, down the line, though, you, you really do. You all make pay. You know, if you'rewinning, if you want to fight some time, if you want to usechampionship, you know, bolts or championships. You're rowing in some dough, soI would say I would stick around. The name over a million dollars,for sure. For sure. That's how I figured your answer is goingto be. I had a test you. Yeah, I gotta be the lotof you. Yeah, all right. Well, I appreciate you coming onabsolutely brothers appreciate you call.

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