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Jesse James Kosakowski | Average to Savage EP49

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This is the forty-ninth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring MMA fighter Jesse James Kosakowski. Paul Guarino talked with Jesse James Kosakowski discussing being born into mixed martial arts, his MMA career, and his fight coming up on May 31st at CES MMA 56. Follow Jesse James Kosakowski https://www.instagram.com/JESSEJAMES_KOZ/ Powered by PG Sports https://www.pg-sports.com

This is the average to savage podcast with Paul Greno, everyone in anyone, athletes sets and much more to up. Everybody. On back for another episode of the average savage podcast or special guests. Today's MMA fighter Jesse James Kazakowski, who is currently three. And Oh, Jesse, how's it going going great, man, just waking up my morning coffee. Appreciate you coming up and let's a rist of the money. Yeah, yeah, definite, no problem. So let's just jump right into it. How'd you get into mixed martial arts? I started mixing Mark Arts when I was very little. Most people, you know, start out, you know, five, six years go, three years ago, two years ago. I started when I was little, like little bit of was like for years old. I was blessed to have my father, my father, he started more starts by can like the thousand nine, D and sixty. So I just been working with the hands of those little and now I've just taken it to a whole new level. Now I'm three. You know, I want to five a Nosa amateur and here we are. Just took it from, you know, the bay bottom and just puts the top. Yeah, definitely. I think once you get bigger and bigger. I think that's going to be the intriguing story that your father been in the game for so long. And what age did you know like you wanted to go pro and like when did you know you were like good enough to like be pro? So, I mean, you know, everybody you know has some story. So I did want to do that those things when I was very small, I would I would say. was until I really started, you know, compete in when I was like age eight. Once my first tournament and I went home. I didn't I didn't take first. Actually took so I took a third place for home in a fourth police trophy. Home I went to this dragon slayer tournament and ever since I compete that first day I was just hope. That was damn, I need to compete all the time. I just wanted to compete, compete, compete. I remember that by age ten I won my first tournament and that's what I was like, yeah, like I knew what I was. I...

...was like I could, I could definitely do this, you know. And then I remember I went home that day and they have, I believe it was kimball slays versus. Can share that TV and I was like a long time. We gave us a big site for the time. I was kind of like, you know, not equal to but you know, it is kind of like MC Gregor versus Aldo or something, you know. I mean everybody was watching that. You Anima Sae watched it, and I remember watching that. I was like, you know, I knew if I got older I was, I could be somebody like that. You know. I mean, yeah, I was just like I was this, I want to stay with this. So where I started compete in the amateurs as I was, I was going one hundred two, one hundred and three, and know, I just knew. I'm like, I'm going, I'm going all the way with this. Yeah, definitely it. Like you said, you went five know, as an amateur, and then what was the moment that you and your team decided like it was time to go pro? After my Pat Casey fight, it was a it was a big lead up to fight. We had a lot of people don't know what happens behind the scenes, but I had a lot of injuries throughout my image crap. I had a lot of people that pulled out when I was injured. I even caught the fucking mumps you know, of all bring them racy, and I started, but I caught the moms. That prevented me from fighting one time. I believe it was June of two thousand and seventeen. So I couldn't fight so many different times and I was just like, you know what, this is the probably doesn't happen the PRO Games. And I know I was already at that level. I was going to have gone to other gyms and I was competing, you know, very well, if not beating pro fighters, and I mean so I was like let's go pro. Yeah, for the next level. Yeah, remember, I remember when you got the mums and I was like, what the hell, like that's like an old sickness. Yeah, it's weird. I don't understand. I even got vaccinated everything for sometimes, I guess, the doctors, so they could still so through. Yeah, then going into your first pro fight was what was that experience like? It was a good spraince. You know, it was cool because, you know, I went out there, it was not like a stage that I've fallen on...

...before, so it wasn't like it was really like any different than any of them. I fights, you know, at the Moke can son Multiple Times I had already been there, so I was like I've been there, done that. I just put out there and did what I was doing throughout my imagr career. Go out there and I actually league one with one of the same moves that I won with, I believe, in my previous amateur fights to at one with a show rock from Kiska Tommy. So it was all very familiar to me. It wasn't like I was in like a different environment, Aything, but I knew right there. I was just like yeah, let's keep it going, let's keep it wrong. Yeah, definitely. Now could you explain to me like what your specialty is like in mixed martial arts? I would say my specialty is some mix moonshis just being, you know, a well rounded fighter. You know, there's a lot of fighters you know the good the good of one area. That goodnessary. You know, I consider myself to be a complete you know mixed martial or. It's like I'm going my striking. You know, I'm good on the ground. I've won, if you look at my tepology, have one all of my fights, you know, by submission. You know s I'd say I'm obviously, you know, more tone to the grap one, but I wouldn't consider myself just a grap of those. Like I'm like, I'm not like a Damian BIOS out there York states to try to take you to the ground. And I mean I'm everywhere. I work every day, work my striking probably twice as hard as my ground game. You know, I've just been doing ground so long. I've been training grap in terms of its own grapple terms, since I was eight years old. So when you're doing graph of her, since you've been eat you. So it's just kind of like ingrained in your system. Yeah, see, when I first discovered you, I thought you were going to be like a big striker. It's because you're like big. And then I saw like your style, I was like wow, this guy's like super technical. I in secret bloom. I appreciade them a mess. So your last fight was on Bell Tour Two hundred and sixteen, and then, I know that was still at Mohegan boat. What was it like different from the other profiles? Now that the belt or fight was different after I felt different onto the lights. I felt like I was more I don't know, I just I just feel like the different person, like I was in...

...there for like a greater purpose than I was in my in my previous fights. Actually do that thought the MOHEGANS before. But some about those lights, about I just felt like, you know, I was I was there, you know, for a reason. I mean I like it, I love the experience. The crowd was crazy and you know, the noises, everything. I just really took it in. I enjoyed it. Well, I was doing it, I would say, prepared to my Mohegan experiences with reality thing. It was definitely much bigger, bigger moment form. I would say it was probably the biggest bullman my career. Yeah, for sure. Can you take me like through that fight in like how you got the rare naked choke hold to finish them? Yes, so everybody saw me like this with Alto Woti together saying that he was going told out swinging. You know he's got a hard right hand, you know he lets his shots go. So I get out there expect I was keeping Nice, long ranging, you know. I was keeping my distance. My lead hand, my leaf, it was right there ready to come, and he wasn't throwing muff and I'm like do what he's doing. The opposite of what I was training for this whole camp and then I was just like I'm gonna make things happen. Start popping my jamb up there. Lanta jet ran, the sidekick, will around all the SIME saw takedown. I was I'm going to take them down. took him down bow and a lot of people are like, why is he taking down a bjj black boat? But I had no where my levels at was why I was training without they came. I was trying to with black belts, ground boats, everything throughout that whole campaign, leash. So I already know. I already knew what I was ready for, Bjj, black bag one, and that I wouldn't take a fight if I know I couldn't handle it. Anyways, boys hating there fightening and number in the second round. I made it a huge elbow, that huge alpile open them up and not that. Basically was thanks. Basically would allowed me to slip them the room and control. Yeah, definitely. And like I saw on twitter, you went you went a little viral on there, and was there any like anything that stood out to you, like anybody that reached out or anything particulars just I'm just happy that I was able to get the experience. You know,...

I would actually went along with going into bolts or but the contract deals that they had, I just didn't want to take that felt. But the best was to go over to see us. For me, thirty one, because it just seemed to have more opportunities. I'm looking even bigger than built orner. Look at I'm looking at the USC, the big stage, and if I won this fight, you know, going to the big stages. Yes, I'm thinking. You see contender series definitely like going into a fight. Do you look up film on your opponents? Yes, I don't really hide when when I look at fly it from being not to look at ful. And if you you got it, you gotta know what the string to the table. Non Sit there, you know, steady film all day long. Like you know, I look at you guys. See His habits. You know, I see his habits. Was a good or bad? You know, and then I trains won't can't you know, based off of what the others the same time. I'm always I'm not always focused on that, but they're going to do this specific thing. Look at my last fight. You know, the guy I expected to come out aggressively, he was staying back like he didn't want to engage with the striking and he didn't want to engage with the grappling, you know. So you really can't trust them. At the end of day, owner could change up the whole style. YEA, happen actually a couple times where I've studying the point and he was crazy, you know, crazy, wildly. He goes in there and you know he's tight, he's technically the fight. That's why you should always be spiled with different bodies in the gym, getting different looks and getting looks whether they're while, whether they're, you know, whether right down the tag with the punchers, you know, technical strikers, everything. You know that you got to fight different styles, prouty might ie, you know, bjj a wrestlers. You know it's a get. You got to be so everything. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I think it's kind of weird when I hear fighter say that don't watch film and I kind of feel like it's a lie. Like you, I feel like, if there is film available, why Wann't you watch it? I feel like there's guys a live out of they want to act like they're but they don't need to study from you. YEA, which...

...is kind of ignorant, of my opinion. You can't be stupid not to. Yeah, yeah, definitely. That means two thousand and nineteen. We got YouTube. I got nothing hot because I'm always working different stuff in the gym. I'm always trained different stuff. You know, when I'm in the gym I'm you know, I'm constantly learning, constantly rolling. I'm never working the same things over and over. Yeah, definitely. And going into your fight, you got it may thirty one ces fifty six. You're fighting Ryan jet who is four and five. How do you see this fight playing up? Yeah, I'm not looking the guy over. He's, you know, he's born five, but he fought nothing but tough guys, you know, and his answer career he only had losses amateur. so He's going to be definitely. He is the most experience, you know, cool, collected, you know, really to get the job. But I'm going to be definitely carefully. He's got tired bull pans, he's got snapplebull punches. At the end of the day, anybody can get knocked out, you know, and you're in there when you're when you have for sleep, swinging at you anything get happens. I'm just going to do the same thing. I've been there, you know. Well, they're nicely relaxed poise do what we see. Definitely how do you like stay relaxed in a fight, though, I feel like this play is this experience, you know, I've been doing so long that I really don't think I could be on the when I go there. I'm just I'm at home. Yeah, it's kind of like my second home. It's like kind of the way I've described the him as my home. You know, when I'm in the cage, that's my home. I'm in there, that's that's where I live for that moment. Definitely, definitely speaking of home. What it what's it going to feel like to fight even closer to home this time? And Heart for already selling tons of tickets. I'll...

...see. Yes, you're going to be happy about that. Yeah, so much of tickets. Everybody's setting me up. It's real cool, man. I like prefer if you find the Mohegan sign, that we mean, but Mohegan sons will he can sogn you know, you can go out to you know, people like going to the Casino. You know there's so much to do with the CASINA, but it's going. It's going to be cool, though, to go to the Connecticut Conventions. I believe it's the second, only the second time, to take had it there so far, so it's going to be cool experience. Yeah, definitely. If for those like who don't know, I tell me what a training camp is like, it's it's kind of got a lot of bads. You know, it's a training camp. You know, it's a struggle, but the end day to pay pay. So if I would say, you know, it's just multiple training sessions, you know, but a lot of people don't understand, though, it's a lot of recovery to you know, ice bass, you know, stretching, rolling out the you know, pile therapy sessions, you know, sauna everything. You know your you gotta, you got to recover in between those sessions. This, you know, to take a rush and I mean you're going one thing to the next and the next it's busy. You're staying busy out through can't. Yeah, definitely. What are your goals for two thousand and nineteen? For Two thousand and nineteen? Yeah, I would say contender. Serious man. Honestly, you know, I'm going to get this win. You know, made thirty one. Then, let's say, another fight. Right after that, they offer you another site. When that one, you know, stay. Offer me one more. Take that one, could get another win. I'm sure you have. He's going to be knocking on my door for contender shot. Hundred percent. Yeah, definitely, be dope. Yeah, be sick. That's really what I'm looking looking forth. Definitely. All right. So you're ready for some fun questions. They're going to go from average to savage. What's your playlist like when you're training? playlist? Yeah, basically the HIP hop. Obviously trains because I know the replicace me because it's up to train. Yeah, I have a little bit of...

...some might feel a little bit of Kendrick little, a little bit of everything that. I really appreciate all about that. A lot about that. Yeah, for sure, for sure. who was your favorite fighter growing up? I would say GSP. I always wont either GSP or fade or mad fade, where was like said, that was the US, like the nyme guy to me when I was I would watch him damn first some motherfuckers knocking everybody outs and everybody. I used to watch him. I was just I want to be like fater when I was when I was a little kid. My Dad used to really like fatal stuff because you sambo. Yeah, I appreciate that. He was like a different he was like a different style. You know, all the all the guys back then were all my type, saying you got, this guy from Russia was coming. But I always appreciated GUSC to because gusp was always a technical striker and he comrestel. He learned how to wrestle after after I believe he wants to fight and then he went out kind of wrestle after that. So I always appreciated both those fighters. After the most got you got two good ones. What do you like to do in your free time when you're not training? Well, I'm not training. I actually I really like hiking. I like I like the outdoors. After the outdoors, I like the draw I'm actually people. A lot of people don't know, but I like our ever since I was calling out my sure, my family, but I was taking become an artist because I was drawing like all the time when I was I took our classes, stuff like that. Yeah, it's dope. I just got to keep on the locust. I'm always training. Now here training four seven. So I was kind of my life hip. Gotcha. Who's one guy that you'd want to fight, dead or alive? One Guy? I want to fight that at. HMM, I've never thought of that. You so hard question. Yeah, so I don't really I don't really want to fight anybody uses, you know. Gotcha. Godamn, I want to fight that guy. Let's say. Would you say like, would you want to like train with like GSP? Yeah,...

...definitely, I would definitely go to train with ches. Actually, my boy Steve used to us we're trying to go up for a long year, but never we never ended up found the listening going do it. I would definitely go chance tram USP. That be sick. Gotcha. And last one. Would you rather give up MMA or have a million dollars rather give up in the mayor? We're having those. I would say I wouldn't give up them and make four million dollars beyondest because I know you know down the line, I mean even though may fires doesn't seem like they met that much, down the line, though, you, you really do. You all make pay. You know, if you're winning, if you want to fight some time, if you want to use championship, you know, bolts or championships. You're rowing in some dough, so I would say I would stick around. The name over a million dollars, for sure. For sure. That's how I figured your answer is going to be. I had a test you. Yeah, I gotta be the lot of you. Yeah, all right. Well, I appreciate you coming on absolutely brothers appreciate you call.

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