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Kosha Dillz | Average To Savage EP128

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This is the one hundred and twenty-eight episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring artist Kosha Dillz. Paul Guarino talked with Kosha Dillz discussing his rap career, his big break in a Super Bowl commercial, and how he got in NBA 2K as a playable character.

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This podcast interview with Kosha Dillz was originally recorded on June 3, 2021

This is the Average to Savage podcastwith paul Guerrino. Everyone in anyone athletes, celebs andmuch more. Okay yeah. Really? This episode is brought to you byManscaped who is the best men's below the waist grooming champions of theworld. Manscaped offers precision engineered tools for your family jewels.Manscaped just launched their fourth generation trimmer, the lawnmower fourpoint oh, you heard that right? The 4.0, join The two million men worldwide whotrust Manscaped with this exclusive offer for you 20% off and freeworldwide shipping with the code PG at Manscaped dot com, Get 20% off and free shipping with thecode PG and Manscaped dot com. That's 20% off. Free shipping at Manscaped dotcom and use the code Pg unlock your confidence and always use the righttools for the job with landscape. What's up everybody? I'm back foranother episode of the average Savage podcast. Our special guest today iskosher. Dills, kosher. How's it going? Good bro. Sorry, I feel like I'm justlike I started out yawning, I'm I'm out of it. I just got the vaccine so I feellike pulverized but you know, I'm dressing to impress bro, Average theSavage, I'm trying to average the legendary but yeah, average establishedthe first step. I like that. Well I appreciate you coming on. I know we'veknown each other for your for a few months now you wrote, you wrote theAverage Savage song for me Fire am I released it? A semi released it? Ididn't officially recently released yet, but maybe I'll release it with theepisode and will be boom, Beautiful, beautiful, I love it. You use some of it andthat's how you know these songs is you know like you got, you got a big songand they use seven seconds and like the hit show, you know, I mean you've gotthis great you know and then everyone finds out song you know so I'm happy to be part of it. Yeahdefinitely. Um Now just going back in your background, you grew up in NewJersey you could just give me a little bit more background and then how yougot into music. Yes I grew up in New Jersey. In Jersey.Born and raised um My whole family immigrated from Israel Um in the 70s. Iwas born in 81 and um grew up Edison New Jersey, home of Gary Vaynerchuk anduh I think a couple other couple of the great people as well and you know Igrew up playing soccer um And wrestling wrestling was my thing. Um I wrestledfrom the age of eight to the age of 20 in college going all the way up to youknow Rutgers for you know scholarship for wrestling to be part of thatwrestling team. Um And um Being part of like the athletic N. C. Double A. Youknow division one community is a big...

...thing. Um And you know the wrappingstuff sort of happened sort of in high school I loved wrestling, I lovedfighting one on one with people and that sort of led to rap battles and rapbattles was the thing. There were no shows who just battle the people at arap battle and you're on stage for your two minutes and then you get off andyou know you you wait for the next turn for the next round and that's how Ikind of got started really battles you know writing for battles Back in theday and and freestyling and you know to the point where I started releasingmusic and like 05 all the way up until today. Um And you know in between therewas you know the story of like jails and addiction, I got sober at 22, I'mturning 23 but like my life was definitely rough in those I would saylike after high school and pre getting sober um and you know, just navigatingin the world of music of what I always really wanted to do um and that was tobe on stage and like say my piece and tell my story For sure. So you stoppedwrestling at 20 like while you were in college and then is that when youpicked up music? Yeah, like not like I was rapping like I had started battling,I was 17 and 18 and I was killing the wrestling team that like that wrappedand um you know, I was going, you know on the weekends to places like openmics in new york city, um and New Jersey and New Brunswick and justgetting familiar in the rap scene, you know, I mean, just like making a namefor myself at the time, I was going by Katie Flow, um I was originally namedkosher Dill, just like straight up kosher Dill and then people have madefun of me and then the next time I want to say, I changed to Katie Flow and sothat's what we gotta roll with. Um And from there, you know, after I got, youknow, sober and came out of jail and shit, like, the idea was all right, I'ma really embraced kosher Dills, which was like, partly sexual, partly jewish,partly, you know, my, my heritage, and then also like the hustler street guytoo. So I had the a instead of the er zine instead of the s and you know Ilove, you know that's what hip hop is about, you know the double, you knowthe triple meanings, double meanings of stuff. Um So who are you like inspirations likemusic wise? Um You know, so I grew up wrap it withthis kid yak yak balls. Um If you get to listen to his music and he's it'sjust legendary rapper. And like I kind of grew up on this group calledcannibal Ox. She's like by L. P. From run the jewels, had a record labelcalled deaf jokes and like my dream was to be honest label. It's like, you knowmy first single was a song called chainsaw music which is like you knowhorror core rap as a thing. So um besides like Biggie smalls and Tupacand and um you know that was like my...

...core hip hop and blue Tang because Iwas Edison's like 30 minutes from Staten Island. Mhm. You then have, youknow, like, the first cd I bought was original Gun Clappers from Duck DownRecords. So this was very new york Brooklyn hip hop At 17, and then alsohad this kind of little flare of like, shock G from digital underground. And Ireally loved, like, I love that kind of like, pop flair and kind of likequirkiness, which has become a big part of my style of making really, like,kind of this weird cheesy stuff with making a dope. Um and then sort ofgoing into now where, you know, a lot of the people that influenced me orlike my friends, my coworkers, you know, people that I find randomly on thestreet or playing, and, you know, I'm always searching for inspiration, butat the core of it, you know, wu tang was really like a huge foundation forwhat I grew up with and biggie smalls and stuff like that. And then itchanged into those three things, you know, the hustle mentality of likeJadakiss in the locks and like hustling drugs to like modest yahoo in theJewish aspect when I first met him and play with him in 2004, And then alsogoing back to like the horror core, um jewish gangster stuff with like necroand nonfiction and elbow. So it's like all these things and I find my placelike in the middle of that, you know what I am? Um and you know, I I made ita point to be out there to get inspired. Like I didn't just sit at home, like Iwent to the stores, I went to the shows, I went to the pop ups and that's youknow what what was moving me? You know because of then you couldn't reallyjust be online. Yeah that's what my next point is gonna be. So how did youget yourself out there? Because you were in the pre social media age. Imean the new york city there was something called the U. G. H. H. Dotcom message boards and there was a O. L. Chat rooms right? So I was rappingsince 98 99 2000. Um You know there are chat rooms and in2005 my space came out and you could upload songs and I mean you weregetting thousands and thousands of plays. This is before, this is beforesound clouds and you just spend hours on saying it was just bewildering thatyou could be on your phone for hours, right? Remember like mess, getting amessage from Red Man on my space. Like I just, you know, certain things Iremember remember, you know, having to get off my space because it took overlike my entire life, you know I mean, and I was like getting sober off likeprobation, going to like 12 step meetings and like just messaging peopleon Myspace like all day and like delivering pizza And trying to figureout how to go back to college, like as a felon, you know, I mean again, um andmy space was the platform from 2005 To like 2010 and then out of nowhere itcame twitter and twitter became a thing...

...where I started Traveling into theworld of tech and that's when I met Gary Boehner shock in like 2010, youknow, so it was just a little bit of a change from there and facebook and youknow, then he graduated to instagram. So what, yeah, what would you say? Likewas you're like breakthrough? I know you had your, you had done a bunch ofthings for like big companies, you, you've been in the NBA 2K video game,like tell me like, what was your breakthrough? Yeah, So I mean, thefirst breakthrough I really had was when I decided that I was going to gofull time and book a tour um and I booked the show, I was studying at theyeshiva because they had like, um I don't know, it was just like I was ableto move out of my house and moved into this place and I was like, okay, I'lllive here and I will, I will book a tour with my boy who theywere really looking up to me at the time, he's jewish kids and they helpedme um and I booked a show in like sacramento and and like Pittsburgh andI'm like, I'm going to fill it in and then someone from my space actuallybooked me out like a synagogue and I was starting getting like these gigs,it's like the jewish rapper and I was like, yo I mean, you know, they wereable like, you know, non venues, like, you know, events or organizers arepeople that are from non profits could pay thousands of dollars for someone tocome versus like the other place you have to sell the tickets or the moneyis not there. So I was, you know, that was the first tour and in 2009 I wonthe Hot 97 rap battle and I got like a promo record deal but like that reallykind of put me out and then they got me on tour with modest yahoo and thenthings started falling into place. Southwest Southwest was huge because Ihad wrapped for Gary Vaynerchuk there, I had wrapped for I've met every rapperthey're basically um in the scene and like you know, I mean I'm talking fromthe cool kids to meeting paul Rosenberg, you know just getting the meeting,getting the picture, getting you know, starting to document the process. Imean I was documenting things since Iphone four since Blackberries, I meanyou know I mean, so If you think about it all these videos of like 100 viewsand 500 views and 300 views and it just cement you as somebody, this is whatyou do, you know? Um And along the way like the biggestfinancial jump for me it was a super bowl commercial in 2012 or bud light Ihad like $150 in my bank account. Um I recorded the song at like a rest stockin Colorado with like a $12 back, you have to pay like $12 going to thebathroom. I had a really shitty Mike. My old roommate, Lonnie um he was likeyou bishop by recording system so I brought her a system so I could recordon the road. This was like unheard of like you're just packing up yourrecording equipment in 2012 like and just recording on the road and thatchanged my life. I mean it was like 100 million people watching the game. Theit was played in like playoffs,...

...everything was you know nine years agoand I made enough money from that to like really like get my own place justlike just level up to a point where I was like yeah I had more money, I mademore money than my dad, you know, I'm saying that year and I was like, whoa,it's crazy and yes, what I would think back to all that is like the big breakis that like when you do have a big break is really important to have theproper things in place to really leverage that, you know, and you knowin some cases I did in some cases I didn't but you know, I'm still herestill doing it, you know? Yeah, for sure then how did how did the two Kthing come about? You're in the game, you know? It's crazy. So like theyworked with Duck Down Records which is like you know underground rap labelwith like you know, buckshot and smith and Wesson and and just sort of letsean price recipes like this, this is legendary characters of new york And Isay characters, hip hop artists, you know from the 90s, you know um that arestill just legendary figures and they, the guy they had, they were likecurating a song. So I entered a contest to get my song in it. I took likesecond or third place. I remember recording this song was about like youknow, basketball or something like that. Um I hope to find this song actually,now that I think about it. Um and I was in South by southwest at the venuecalled the scoot in screwed in is sort of like off the beaten track uh pathand I had tons of posters for shows I was playing but it still had my name onthe poster. So I said, listen, the show already happened, but I got him. So whydon't I just put them up everywhere? So people could say like, oh, I missedthat show. Who is that guy? Could, I wish, you know, I could check them out.And while I was passing out flyers and posters for a show that alreadyhappened on a picnic table, some guy goes, oh, word, like, are you one ofthese guys again, kosher Dills? It's like, it's crazy. I work at two K. Weshould link up and um we should get you like, you lost the thing, we should getyou in the game. So, I was passing out like old material for something thathad no relevance because it was like, in the past, it would be like, you knowI mean? And it's just but it's different, like, you don't, you sharean old podcast, you don't share an old flyer that already happened unless it'slike a throwback, you know, whatever. And doing that got me the conversationand then he's like, right, send the pictures, you got to send, you know,have somebody take seven pictures. And then it got me into the game where Iwas like, you know this balding rapper, you know what I'm saying? Like I waslike, yeah, they made me extra ball. And you know, that was at the timewhere I was like, and I was still like dealing with my hair loss, you knowwhat I'm saying now? You know, I'm growing up, I loved being, I love myhead. But um, yeah, it was epic. And I made myself the same height, sameeverything I saw millions of games sold millions and people know me from thatall over the world. Yeah, that's awesome. And then you're going back tothe Super Bowl commercial, are you are you a Giants fan?...

Um I'm not a Giants fan actually Eaglesfan. All right. Because I was gonna say that must have been crazy if you were aGiants fan. They won the Super Bowl that year. You were on like, Yeah, butyou know, like I'm not really a good fan. You know what I'm saying? Like Ipicked the eagles because I was in high school was at its needles and I knew,you know, everyone like the Giants. I was like, I like to, you know, I don'tknow. I just picked the nerves. No. Right. Exactly. You know why I pickedup? Yeah, I feel you all right now coming coming up to present day nowyou've been killing it for the past few months since I've known you pretty muchsince we met on clubhouse, but just yeah, um like you like you opened up mymind to do things like that. Like, I I never thought about like rappers likebranding themselves with other brands like bud bud light and all that stufflike that, like, and then I was just like, and then when I looked you up andI did and I was like, all right, you got a shit ton of these on here. So Iwas like, all right, that's lit. And then that's how I asked you to do mysong. So yeah, I mean, you know, we got to think outside the box, you know, I'msaying like there's no shows, how often do you do shows and you know, peoplejust love hip hop and how can we make it all, you know, connect Yeah, forsure. And then yeah, just tell me about, I know you went viral like a few times.Uh, this past december january whenever it was, tell me about that like, andyou got on the news and things like that. Yeah. So um, as you see, I got this,this uh, this Derby, right boom. So when it was snowing, I, I went in theblizzard and I wrapped on Hanukkah, you know, because I'm saying like uhthere's a popular jewish holiday that like everybody like will sharesomething for it even if they're not jewish or anything, you know, just likenew york and new york is like in there and I got picked up by some placecalled Green Pointers and then this website, what is new york posted me um,who also does subway creatures I think too. So it's like kind of like aconglomerate of like mean pages and micro influenced areas and I went viralfrom that. And then I like did something like rapping about Chinesefood on Christmas shoes and Chinese food, just like fun things. I wouldlike fit the kosher dills brand and that got like two, almost 200,000 useon Twitter. And then you know, I did a bagel song and I'm like, okay, nowwe're like, we're like, what's the, what are we doing with the NationalPizza Day? And that's what the bagel that and you know, I had just droppedan album and I'm like, no one's listened to the album, but I'm gettingeveryone to the album from giving them this and you know, it's what I realizedthat like there's so much of this, uh, so much of this stuff and, and, and sofor Passover, similar to Hanukkah, I'm like, I, I, this is starting to work,let me do moses and moses has become like its own character who is just, youknow, moses all year round and I did a wrap of the power and got like half amillion, we probably got up to like, you know, around a million to all thepages and I never went viral until this, this december like that, you know, Inever had my own thing, I mean, I've...

...gone up have been on collapsed but notmy own stuff and it's common, you know, to get 150,000, 50,000 on, on so manydifferent areas. You know, I mean, I have, I have my freestyle rap, I havemy music videos, I got my like, just you know, jewish content. So you know,for holidays and I think what I realized is the more I go outthere, new york celebrates renegade raw like that specifically to new york'sdefinitely to the east coast and it's something I didn't experience in L. A.Um so you know, if that's what they want and that's who I am, that makes iteasier for me because I was gonna do it anyway. Yeah, definitely. Then what hasthere been any new opportunities that came from that? Yeah, like you said,you saw me rapping in the blizzard, I got in the new york post, you know whatI mean? And I met people from there. Um I did the bagel rap and I just didcollaborations with Tebow, like straight up real brand deals with likemajor, multi, multi, multimillion dollar corporations um that, you know,and some of the other just the collaborations like from what is newyork to new york, new york and echo, these guys have like, you know, theycelebrate the raw and you know, um anything I do is like a televisioninterview, Good Morning America revolt tv um I'm expressing my voice beingauthentic to myself and leveling up to another level. I did not experience,you know what I'm saying, like, and and to me, I think being authentic is themost important part because ultimately people could say things about you andif you're an actor that is speaking somebody else's lines that were writtenfor you, then you have a problem, but like in the world of music, especiallywhen people are writing things, like people can say whatever they want aboutthe Mosul's character, they could, but like it's something I created and Imade it and it's gone viral and it's only been around for two months and Ijust did the next game and you know, I mean, everything I'm doing is alwaysgetting tens of thousands of views has it. So, you know, I'm going to take itall the way to like rolling loud and I wanted to go to, you know, Coachellaand I wanted to go to Bonnaroo and I wanted to go to, um, governors Ball andum, like some, because why not? Right? And it's a new, and, and, and there'speople that are behind it because they want to see it when you know what Imean? And I think like, as artists and creators, we have to come up withsomething that gets you excited and makes you want to share it and getbehind it without me asking you to get behind it, right? And that's the key.And that's what I've never experienced that till this past couple months. Solike from december to May, which has been half a year, it's been my life islike, the amount of followers have got...

...everything is really exciting. Yeah,it's crazy. And then yeah, just tell me about a little bit how, like, clubhousehelped you too. And I know you've been doing a lot of talks uh like aboutJudaism and jewish people and stuff like that. Yeah, so like on clubhouse, um there'slike holocaust, remember, I mean, not just in clubhouse, but there'sholocaust remembrance Day, which is in january, we brought the first everholocaust survivors on clubhouse. Um one there's just a huge thing, you know,like someone from Saudi Arabia joined somebody from California, Connecticut,Mexico Venezuela. And I mean there's no even platform for holocaust survivorsThat are like dying off every day, like in 20 years, we're not gonna haveHolocaust survivors, you know, maybe there'll be one left that was the baby,you know, and you have to think about that this is like a last livingtestament. And if I could be influential in doing this instead ofgoing to like how to invest in dutch coin, which is also a great thing to do,it's also a great community, like there's a there's a community for thisand thousands and thousands of people came on to see this on the first timewe had, you know, Lupe fiasco came in, we had, you know, like and these arepeople that have been people that have been accused of of of of like beinganti Semitic had the opportunity to come in and here, I mean there arepeople that were from arab states and nations that never got to speak toholocaust survivor people from south America and I think it's superimportant. We had articles on NBC. I was mentioned in Time magazine, I mean, you know, and that's just from doingstuff without even wanting like press, you know, like we assume that peoplewill write it up and you know, but I didn't ask anyone from Time magazine tomention in the article, but like they talked about what we did and you know,Variety magazine, like all these places knew that what you're doing islegendary. And I think for me, I realized that this past six monthssince being in new york and like getting the confidence, like my music,I gotta like, like the dating world, any aspect of it when you put yourselfout there and don't care what people think or how they're going to respond.Um you're going to make so many big leaps and that has been my experienceman, like I cannot imagine it. And some of the stuff you do doesn't always hitright, but if you know there's a need for it, his party time bro. Um and Ilove the best part about working with holocaust survivors is that you realizethat they're just people to they don't always want to talk about being asurvivor, you know, so to create that experience for this guy Sammy and forother people like inga and just you know, like to tell their story becauseyou can't go into a museum anymore with 1000 people to listen. In fact, is 1000people that are gonna come probably...

...won't be from all different backgrounds,we probably all be jewish or it could be like a group outing. So clubhouse isa great, great way to meet people from all over the world, differentbackgrounds, having the opportunity to share um, you know, and doing thingslike that, connect people back to the music and people meet me from seriousstuff. They meet me from wrapping in blizzard to wrapping his moses to, youknow, rapping outside the next games. You know, I mean, that's what I thinkit's cool about just like your story this because like, obviously you havelike the serious stuff too, which is like, just totally different than yourrap career, I'd say. So it's like a it's like almost showing like,obviously obviously you're human too, but I'm saying, you know what I'msaying? Just like, I don't know, probably like you said, and then itgains you more fans also at the same time. Yeah. I think like people have to alsolike when you're in music, right? I was like, are you just gonna make music oryou also due to speak on some things too? And like someone I really look upto, you know, I don't agree with everything he says, but like, killermike is someone who's done music forever. He's done, he's been reallysuccessful. And then he started a new group, right? Run the jewels, whichbecame more successful than anything he did. And I was going to his solo showand it was like 100 people there. I mean there wasn't even tons of peoplethere in new york. I remember that and and then seeing him speak on on onthings that he just feels passionate about and that all works together,right? Because people now have such easy access to a musician, if themusician doesn't come contact them back there, like people think they're a dick,right? So when you put out content and you're like, I'm against bigotry andthen you get 20,000, you know, retweets, you're like,well, you know, like just certain, you know, I could just say stuff that's,that's like important to people and helps them get through their day. Itdoesn't always have to be a rap, a rap averse to wrap a verse. But what wewere taught when we came in was we were taught, we were taught a specific way, but nowwe have to be ready to adapt at any given moment, right? You have to beable to speak on, you have to be able to show up for other people, be helpfuland it has to be authentic too. And I think like that's why, you know, killermike sounds so good because he's authentic to his own self, things thathe cares about and people listen to him and that sort of transfers over tomultiple aspects of what he does in his whole career. Like I'm doing thepickles and I have a call today about my own, like doing a pickle collab withGrillo's, um shout out to Grillo's and I did stuff with this baseball team toPortland Pickles and just being kosher dills. Like Pickles is a thing, there'sa huge business too. So why can't food and music and bagels all go togetherand podcasting and you know, interviewing other people and givingthem platforms. Having crossed survivors, speaking on being Israeli,american Palestine, all that stuff together plus your other stuff,...

...even those things. And this is, this islike sochi for anyone listening, if you have, if you want to be a pundit on onetopic, but you are in like a certain area, but you don't have, you don't have like, like clout in yourown field, like things that you're passionate about, you should have cloutin your own field and it kind of leverage is each one up and levelseverything up because people will take you more seriously because of the workyou've accomplished in one field, it will value opinion more when you get achance to speak on something else and I think they all go hand in hand together,you know what I mean? Yeah, sure. And then what's up next for you? Like, whatare your plans for any, any new projects? Um Yeah, yeah, man, I'm justlike, um, you know, I just have this new music video out with gangsta boo umwhich is really awesome, was going to space with dodge coin and, and I amreleasing a new summer song uh, with this guy Genya from, from Israel andRussia and he's just like, we just got like a nice summer bob we have um, so Ihave like a music video for that music video for is and me, um I'm performingeverywhere around new york city right now um every day, a different, iconicspot while the city is coming back, I'm just trying to do more, more thingslike that. My main goal right now with the street performing is to do a soldout show in new york city, that's basically from the streets to the stageand for all the people that were performing on the street, we're goingto go sell out a show at a venue like barry ballroom or Gramercy and have 605100 people there, you know, supporting like the real authentic grind. And Ibelieve personally for me that I've never felt more accomplished than nowand you know, people think, oh wow, he's like rapping on the street, like,like, I don't look at it that, like, I look at that, I'm doing everyone else'sservice by being out there, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm really hereto lift other people up and we're underdogs in this, like, I wasn'tsupposed to be successful, you know, I wasn't supposed to win that battle, Iwasn't supposed to be an NBA two K, but I did extra work along the way to getthe crumbs, but now we're gonna start to take the cake And I feel like I'm inmy bag with that, and I just like, I don't know if I expressed that, right,but I feel like people are rallying behind me and they want to see ithappen, you know what I mean? And that's why we're getting big stuff, youknow, that's why we're getting and just started getting the million views now.You know, 2020, I got my first million views. It's almost two million withcascade. So there's a lot of things happening. Um, not like from rap todance tracks to everything across the board. And people want to know yourstory, right? So if I get 20 people here are 50 people that really like,like the the story, you know, hopefully they'll rally behind me too. And then,you know, hopefully I got I find people that I can rally behind as well and weall do it together. Yeah, definitely. All right. You ready for some funquestions? Yeah. What do you like? I...

...mean, those are fun. They're fun.Regardless. What do you what do you like to do in your free time? Oh, myfree time. I'm a big runner. So like, I liketaking runs over the bridge. It's something I've been really um reallyliking. Um and I currently like I'm just every day I I do something greatfor my I live in an apartment, but I'm trying to make it a palace. So I'malways buying stuff. So like I'm really getting into plants, you know what I'msaying? So I'm trying to copy copies plants. Get, get some greenery in myplace. I'm not the kind of smoke but the kind you like embrace and yeah,dude, I have, I was thinking of ways they went free time. I don't have freetime. I make three times. So like cooking plants just, you know,estimable acts that I really like. I like that like bring me joy, you knowwhat I mean? For sure. What about, what's your favorite song right now?That's not yours? Oh um her name is bia Zenobia, a wholelot of money. Whole lot of money as a whole lot of money. And I was on herbefore she blew up. Yeah actually supposed to get her on the podcast.She's like blowing up now. But she got you've had on the podcast I'm supposedto get her. Yeah. You know she's my home girl. I think Maria used to manageher. I don't know she still does but I just I was like dancing into it theother day at a party and I'm like uh you know the other day I went to a boatparty and then I randomly walked into like a cowboy themed party and I waslike yo and they were playing and I was like this is a cowboy themed party thatI went to. Um and I was like this song is so good and I love I love being asong to shit man. Like I played 100 times, 100 times you know. Yeah. Whatwas cool? Um I don't know if you saw her other songs skate the NHL just dida collab with her for the playoffs and she remix, she's been attitude longtime coming, you know a long time coming. So she's a shout out to be aYeah but I love her. Oh my God dude. Well I will be we're definitely we'redefinitely clipping this one. Yeah I do yeah shout out to be a all right, wellthis might go with the last question. Who who would be like your dreamcollapsed? Um Well yeah right that's what I sayabout beer. That would be I would love to collaborate with just a lot of dopewomen. I really like collaborating with women. Um I you know I think you know anyone from you knowbe a two kid cutty too. Um you know like if it was underground rapI would love to you know collab with killer mike or atmosphere is like Ilove them. Um but you know I'm doing a collapse of the students seeing blackwho's really does because the black Orthodox jewish rapper in Jerusalem. UmAnd uh he's just he's just just in his new video shoe and this dude just I'veknown him for years like since 2000 and so I get excited to collaborate withpeople like that. But then like you...

...know when you see your friends homeboySandman, people like that my boy flex Matthews just my friends that I've beendoing music side by side with for so long, that's great. But you know in theend of the day like how bia had her own hit song that's like exactly what Iwant. So I just got to keep making the songs and you know what it's no oneelse's fault that I don't have a hit song, it's only my fault, you know whatI mean? And I'm okay with that so I gotta keep writing them and I think Igot one, you know what I'm saying? I think I got one and I always think Igot one but you know not everyone else thinks you know for sure. I mean even Imean I'm sure you've seen a lot of times where people's songs blow upyears later. Yeah dude like that song I had in asuper bowl commercial was four years old at the time, I made it in 2008 youknow? Um and that was that was just the reality of it, you know I made in 2008,Bang gets out in 2012 and I still send that song out and we still, you know,if we could sink these old songs, you know, and then that's the great thingabout music, people could use them forever. Well, I appreciate you comingon and I could, you have the listeners know where you can follow you at? Yeahman, um kosher Dills, K O S H A D I L L Z. Um My websites, kosher Dills worlddot com, you can follow it on Spotify, kosher Dills, twitter, instagram.Tiktok is kosher Dills 8 to 6. Um and um if you're interested in gettingmerged, you just go to the kosher Dills. That's always great. And you know, itgives a kosher Dills merch store on the website. But um Youtube, it's just,it's like clockwork, kosher dills everywhere on the internet, you know?But that used to be one of my tag lines and they don't like anymore becausepeople think I'm too is easily accessible, but I'm in new york so youknow, say what's up? Yeah. Again I appreciate it. Yeah,average is average, nothing less. Okay.

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