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Mike Hill | Average To Savage EP119

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This is the one hundred and nineteenth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring broadcaster Mike Hill. Paul Guarino talked with Mike Hill discussing his journey in the military, sports broadcasting at ESPN and Fox Sports, and his new book "Open Mike".

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This podcast interview with Mike Hill was originally recorded on March 4, 2021

This is the average to savage podcastwith Paul Guerrino. Everyone in anyone athletes, celebs andmuch more. What's up, everybody? I'm back for another episode of the averagesavage podcast. Our special guest today is Mike Hill. Mike, how's it going?Good. What's up, man? How are you feeling, brother? Doing good. Iappreciate you coming on. I know. We've been trying to get it done for a coupleweeks now. I know. I know. I'm sorry about that, man. Just life has beenhectic. Uh, that's a good thing. Been busy. So, uh, you know, finally gotaround to it. And, uh, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. Yeah,for sure. Yeah. And you mentioned being busy. I know you've got a lot going on,and I saw you came out with a new book. You're a new network. You're startingwith a couple other people. Um, how's all that going? And just like, how didyou end up doing all that? Like through the pandemic? It's been just crazy, man.It's been God and this will, you know, always getting praised to him. But bookcame about Just been something I've been thinking about for a long time. Iactually started writing about four years ago, and it just kind of came out.It was because I needed to come out. So a lot of therapy that was involvedbecame very therapeutic. So that was good. And and I'm using that as to myplatform to have other people help themselves when it comes to mentalhealth and a lot of the things that really affects them in their lives andtheir lives of their loved ones. But the B and C, you know, that's my newnetwork. Uh, left Fox old, and I got an opportunity to be a morning show host.That is one of the reasons why it was hard to catch up with me because, youknow, schedule is freaking crazy right now, man. It's like I have to wake upat midnight. I get up at midnight and my show's on at three o'clock in themorning out here, so I'm on from three until seven in the morning, so my wholeschedule is ass backwards right now, So I apologize if I start saying something,that's crazy. But my mind ain't really here right now, man. So but it's beenfun. It's been great. And I'm grateful for the opportunity, man. Yeah, yeah.No, that's awesome. Um, yeah. Now, just like going from, like, the more eventgoing to now the morning show. Like what's been the difference? Likeglaring experiences being at ESPN and Fox Sports and Fox Sports and then FoxFox, uh, soul. Yeah, it's a different mindset. I mean, it's it's similar.It's some kind of a foxhole. Kind of prepared me a little because it was atalk show. But, you know, I've been doing sports for so long, and, you know,I enjoyed the sports. I was still passionate about sports, but I feltlike my voice was growing and I felt like my passions for other thingsoutside of sports was growing. So I needed to have a different voice in thedifferent platforms. So other than the different times and trying to get mybody clock right, I mean, it's a minor adjustment. It's a challenge becauseit's more hard news than I've ever done before in my whole career. But at thesame time, once again, it's something that I'm really passionate aboutbecause I found myself just watching hard news all the time, watching CNN alittle bit of Fox and MSNBC and and just listening to it on the radio. AndI'm driving around or whatever. I became that old man like yourgranddaddy that you should just listen to the news and watch the news all thetime. You couldn't talk when Tom Brokaw came on you, too young. Remember TomBrokaw and Peter Jennings? But they used to be the people used to listen toon ABC and NBC. For those are the people that my grandpa or or granddad Imean, when Grandma used to listen to and you can talk. So I become thatpersonnel. Uh, and that's what I'm passionate about. And that's why Ienjoy, you know, doing what I'm doing. But we also have fun on the show, soit's a mixture of everything. It's it's just gonna dream come true. Yeah,that's awesome. And then, yeah, just going back, um, to your childhood. Iknow you grew up in the Bronx and Alabama. Um, like what? Like, did youalways want to be a broadcaster? You know, uh, not really. Not until Iwas in high school and I realized I suck playing sports. You know, Ithought I was going to be an athlete. Like a lot of people that becomesportscaster, like, Yeah, I can play sports like this. Anything goingnowhere. I ain't gonna make it in the n b A. And I ain't gonna make it incollege. You know what I'm saying? You know, I was okay. I was good. But Iwasn't great. I was far from I was actually sometimes against the rightcompetition. Or maybe in my case, the...

...wrong competition. I was down, right?Sorry, I I suck, You know So But I realized I love sports, and I had apassion for it, so I wanted to stay into it. So that's the reason I kind ofgot into journalism. And I had a uncle who was a journalist, a TV report, andI saw him doing I saw other people on television that looked like me at thetime doing and I said, You know what? I kinda like that so I can kill two birds,one stone. I can still stay in sports, still have my passion and actually havea job doing something I love, man. So it's paid off. Been doing for 26 yearsand I'll be 20 them on February 28th. It was 26 years in the business, man.The day I got out of military 1995 was February 28 the same day I got out ofmilitary the day I got my first job in broadcasting. So it's been a blessing.It's been a real blessing over half my life. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, Iwas gonna touch on that. So you're in the Air Force? Like what? Made you goright out of high school today? Well, my ass want rid of college? I shit. Itwouldn't work out. I wouldn't I would not have lasted. You know, I didn'thave the discipline to do things on my own. Now, I was a good student when Iapply myself. The problem was, I wasn't disciplined enough to apply myself. Andif somebody told me, Hey, you're gonna be on your own. Your mom ain't gonnawake you up in the morning. And your daddy ain't gonna do anything to makesure you get up and go to school and hold you accountable. No, I probablyjust gone and wasted some money. So I wasn't ready. So the reason I went intothe military was, you know, I felt like Okay, I can do something. Stay there,stay disciplined, make some money. And then if I wanted to go to college,which I did later, I could do that, you know? So that was a route that I took.It was the right route. I had two cousins that I looked up to that werein the military. I saw that kind of cars they were driving. You got tounderstand the gig growing up in the hood. You know, you ain't got a lot ofstuff. You see, your cousin's driving the right kind of cars, wearing theright kind of clothes, smelling the right kind of way with some money intheir pocket. I'm like the military is for me. So that's the reason I wentinto the military for the first thing. But the discipline and the aspect ofokay, I can make some money for college, and it works out for you. Then you know,that's what I'm gonna do. And it worked out for me. How long were you in themilitary? for? I was in there for six years, and then So So how old were youwhen you went to college? I went to college while I was in the Air Force.So the thing is, man, I was married. I got married my first year in themilitary. I was in the military. I had a part time job and I went to school aswell on top of that, and had an internship. So I really from the age ofI'd say, from the age of 19 until the age of 25. 20 When I get out of here 25I really had no life. I didn't live my life. I didn't like that. Kind of makesme think about certain things, to be honest with you because it may, um AndI'm gonna talk to my therapist about this tomorrow. Always come up withcertain things. So sorry. Forgive me, but I'm talking about therapy. Maybethat's one of the reasons I was so wild because I wasn't really Even though Iwas married, I never really sold my oats. I never really had fun. Neverreally got out. You know what I mean? And then. But being married, I had afriend, obviously. And my wife or whatever. But, you know, if she wasn'taround not doing anything, I was working all the time. I just you know, maybe that's one reason Idon't know. I'm just kind of talk to myself right now. Like I said, I'mgonna do that from time to time because I'm sleepy, bro. But at the same time,I just kind of thought dawned on you, man. From the time I was, I sacrificeda lot. And this was a lesson for a lot of people that say they want to getinto a certain business or do a certain thing. Sometimes you got to sacrificecertain things like fun, uh, in order to To To to work hard to get to whereyou want to get professionally. And then once you get there, then you canhave that fun. Because guess what You're doing something that you lovedoing professional. You wake up in the morning, you start making more money.When you make more money, you have access to things to do That makes youhappy and is a lot more fun. So yeah, I sacrificed a lot earlier in my life tobe able to have the career in the life that I have now. Yeah, for sure. But Ialways say sacrifice. Now eat later.

Amen. Amen. Eat well later. Not Sizzler.I'm talking about prime steak, uh, for sure. And then just take methrough, like your journey through sports broadcasting, because I thinkthere's a lot of people know you have to You start out like a smaller marketand you work your way up. Yeah. I mean, so, like I said the day I got out ofthe military, I'm talking about like I got discharged about eight o'clock inthe morning and at eight o'clock in the morning, eight a one. I remember myfirst sergeant saying So you know, Airman Hill, Sergeant, What are yougonna do now? And I like shit. I don't know. A job over six years. I have toworry about that, man. I was good. Now, in the meantime, I had been sending outall these resume tapes All these TV stations trying to get a job and havebeen turned down. I always tell the story. I sent out 75 presentation. Igot 72 rejection letters, you know? So it's always these nose, and I got threecallbacks and basically two was critiquing my tape. One. I was tellingme how bad I was, and maybe I shouldn't do this shit. You know what I mean? Butthere was one that was one in a bigger sound. Uh, Maryland, which was about 80miles away from where I was living near Fort Meade, Maryland, Uh, had called meand about 23 weeks before I got out of military when did a job interview in asnowstorm and got there, and I guess impressed. And I didn't hear anythingback. I don't know if I was gonna get anything back. I always was told theydon't call them because that might turn them off. Whatever. And So I was justwaiting, and I was like, You know what? I don't have a job. What am I gonna do?I don't know. I'm married, man. I'm staying with a friend now because wealready packed up our apartment. Maybe I'm just gonna go live my brother for aminute down in Virginia and just working it out. Maybe work at Costco. Idon't know because I had turned down other jobs. You know, I had a topsecret clearance. I have turned down jobs that you need a security claims tohave. I'm talking about good jobs. I could have been making, like, 80$85,000 a year straight out the military at the age I was 24 at thetime, right? And back in 1995. That was really good. Money still is today, tobe honest with you, But you know, at that time and I said no, I wanted Iwanted to get into broadcasting. And so when I discharged, he asked me, didn'tknow, went to my friend's house, took a nap two hours later, got a phone call.It was Bob Born jester, news director. Hagerstown, Maryland, asked me if Iwanted the job, and that's how it began, man. So glory and praise the God manbecause I was out of work for two hours at that time, and it worked out for me.So since you since you brought up the money, could you tell me how much yourfirst job was for? Yes, exactly. I'll tell you, it was I was making less than$7 an hour. Yes. So think about this. I turned down a job. I'm married, Uh,military benefits. I'm talking about medical. All that stuff done toeverything is paid for them. Taking care of my kids, you know, not kids,but my wife and got privileges at the commissary and B X and all that type ofstuff. And once you out, that stuff leaves unless you go into the reserves.Right? So I ain't got a job. I ain't got benefits. I ain't got medical. Iain't got them to I ain't got none of that type of stuff, you know what Imean? Uh, so I'm like, Oh, damn, And get that job. And then I turned down$85,000 a year job, and I'm telling my wife Look, hey, this is what I want todo. And she backed me, and I give her credit for that. You know, even thoughwe're not together anymore, I give her credit for all that type of stuff. Sheshe believed in me. And then I get that job, and then I tell her, Yo, I mean, Ithink I was making like 6, 75 an hour. You know, my first job and so imaginethat. But it was my passion. It was what I wanted to do. And this is thelesson that I always tell kids I'm like Sometimes you got to sacrifice themoney in order to have your happiness. You want to buy your happiness in asense, with a job that you enjoy going to. I always say, if I gave you $10million right now, but I said you had to have a career. You gotta get up andgo to work and do something. What would you do? This is what I would have done.I would have chosen broadcasting of anything being a sportscaster. And so Istarted making 6 $75. Now 60 75 an hour...

...for the first six months. And then Igot another job, though six months later, in Fresno and I was making30,000 year, then 30 35,000. And then I got to Nashville within two years of myfirst job and I was making 50,000. And then two years after that, 70,000, andby year five I was making over $100,000 a year. So I was able to gradually moveup doing what I wanted to do. Having that passion gain that experience,having a smile on my face every day, make the money survive, make the moneyeventually and continue to climb because I went with my passion and notlooking at the dollar signs. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I think a lot ofpeople kind of forget. Like, you know, you really do have to start somewhereat the bottom and get the experience, And then you get the better offers andbetter offers and better offers, like you just explain. Uh, and then whatabout what was it like to to join ESPN? Was that, like, one of your goals? Uh, actually, it wasn't It wasn't, uh,you know, always, because when I was going coming up through the localmarkets and Hague Sound Fresno in Nashville when I was in New York, Iremember somebody said, Hey, uh, they wanted me to audition at ESPN. I wentup there and audition. I don't really like it. I like, uh, so as a matter offact, when I auditioned, auditioned before I got the job in New York. Iremember my agent called me and she said, Hey, you got the job and I waslike, which one? And she said, the one in New York and I was happier to go toNew York because that was where I was born. I was like, Okay, I got to goback home Work at a regional market. MSG, Fox Sports. I didn't really thinkabout ESPN. Didn't really want to go there, to be quite honest with you. Uh,but it just so happened that over a period of time, because what happenedin New York after 9 11 and in Dallas, when I got fired, I needed a job, andESPN brought me in for another audition, and they hired me. And that's the, youknow, the rest is history after, like I said, nine years of being there. But,uh, no, to answer your question, it wasn't my dream coming out like I wantto be on ESPN. A lot of people used to tell me when I was in local markets. Oh,you're gonna be on ESPN one day. You're gonna do this, You're gonna do a lot.Okay? I will be happy in the top 10 market, making a lot of money in thegood city. That's the way I was looking at. So those are my goals. But God hadbigger plans for me. And thank God he did. Yeah, for sure. And then whatabout like, what was the difference is just like working at ESPN versus FoxSports one. I always have to be careful When I asked that question, man, thedifferences okay? ESPN's worldwide leader I respect and love with ESPNdoes. They are still the king. They really are. I work at Fox Sports OneFox Sports Love what I do over there. But ESPN is still the king. When youlook at the ratings, they're still the king. They still got it worldwide.Everybody talks about them, so they have a great platform. And I love that.The difference for me being at five sports one is that I'm happier. Minellafirst and foremost. Nothing against Connecticut. But you know and you knowConnecticut L A. For me, Your next big state. Great ST Paul. Great state.Don't get me wrong. I know you lived there. Great state wasn't necessarilyfor me, But I lived there for nine years, so I did my time. Okay? I servedmy time. So coming out to L. A was always a dream of mine. So that'snumber one. But then five sports really wanted me to be me. They really wantedme to be myself at ESPN. I got there and I lost myself. I lost who I was. Ilost my voice because, you know, there are so many different people that tryand mold you and tell you how you should do this. And then you're scaredbecause you got to remember, You know, I lost my job in New York because of 911, I get fired in Dallas. So the last two jobs I had, I'm out of work. So nowI want to keep this job. So I got to do whatever the powers that be tells me todo. So I'm a little bit afraid, and I go in and I become basically a puppet,and I lost myself and I don't know who I was. Now it lasted for nine years,but after a while, I was like, You know what? I got to re find myself And sothe last couple of years I started...

...doing that, and then I got fired fromESPN. But once again, sometimes your biggest burdens turned out to be yourbiggest blessings. Because the day I got fired from ESPN is they actuallyflew out to L. A. And the next day I got a job at Fox. Yeah, that's crazy. Idon't know, like about you, but like every time something like job wise orsomething like falls through for me, I feel like something else just, likehappens. And it's just like you said, like it's just like for a reason. Yeah,yeah, God has a plan for us all. You know, like, you know, when one doorcloses, you know, there's a window that's open, and I strongly believethat. And I've gotten to the point where, you know, yeah, it'sdisappointing when you first find out something like that happens. If youlose a job or you know something that you really want, it doesn't comethrough. There's a little disappointment, but I always believethat something better is gonna come along. Actually, something like thatjust happened recently after, you know, I got this job being C. I had anopportunity to do some acting in because I just got this job at beingsee. I wasn't able to take this role, and it was a nice role as an actor.I've always wanted to be an actor, and I finally got a part that I auditionedfor, that I booked. And my schedule just doesn't collide. But, you know,disappointment. I wish I could do it. What you're gonna do both whatever. Butunfortunately, I can't. But I also know that you know what? What's for me isfor me. And maybe God has a plan that will lead me to bigger and betterthings. Because I had that audition because people saw me. Maybe they'llsay something in two or three years down the line. We saw this guy beforewe liked, and we wanted to hire him. Families bring them in to do this. So,you know, I know everything happens for a reason. So I'm with you on that. Yeah, for sure. Um, and then, like Isaw one of your your pin tweet is, um I've had sex. I have I had success, butI don't consider myself successful being successful to me is to attain myyour full potential. I'm about 30% but I ain't nowhere near done yet. Justwatch me. So could you explain that? Yeah. I mean, because a lot of peoplelook and say, Oh, you've been on ESPN and Fox Sports on this national show.Now you got your own show. Uh, housewives all this Manu Manu, you'resuccessful now. Successful. I've had success. And that's what I said. I'vehad success, I've had winds. And yes, I'm in a good position and I'm blessed,and I'm thankful for that. But do I consider myself successful? Do Iconsider myself there? You know what I mean? Where? Hey, my goal. Because yougot to think about this. When you set a goal, you set goals, right? Said a lotof goals now to set the ultimate goal. That means you have to reach thatultimate goal. I have not reached that ultimate goal. So I've had success onmy journey to being successful because I have not obtained once again my fullpotential. I know there's so much more that still left inside of me that Iwant to do. I want to do things behind the scenes. I want to host another talkshow. I still want to do this morning show. I want to produce some things Iwant to act. I want to write another book. Those are things that I just wantto become a person that is a full conglomerate, so to speak, you know, SoI can leave a lasting legacy behind and make an impact on society. So that iswhen I would consider my myself success folk. And right now that was about 30%When I wrote that, I'm probably about 40% now, because since then I've hadanother show and then this show coming up. So I'm getting there and once again,getting booked for an acne. Get I'm getting there. But I still have atleast halfway of my full potential to reach, and I'm still not done yet. I'mstill working hard until I get there. I like that. I like that. Um, what advicewould you give to young broadcasters trying to, like, make it do what you'redoing like you, man, I admire what you're doing. I admire you know, likeyou're reaching now and you know hey, take a chance, man. Um, don't listen tothe nose. Don't get discouraged by the notes because you're going to hear alot of them once again. I told you I sent out 75 tapes. I got 72 knows Ibasically got 74 knows, But I only had...

...one. Yes, but it was the right Yes. Andit was the right Yes, at the right time. Because I think back over those tapesthat I sent out and remember, I was in the military. And that's a commitment.The military doesn't just let you out because you got another job. It's acommitment. You gotta fulfill that commitment. So this is how God talkswhen it comes to time. And I had started sending those tapes out. Maybe89 months, almost a year. Maybe. I believe before I about to get out ofthe military, say I would have sent out my first tape. Nice market. Nice job,good opportunity or whatever. And they would say, Hey, you're hired. Thiswould have been maybe in April, March, April of 1994. I got out military inFebruary 1995. I still had eight months nine months of my commitment for themilitary. They don't just let you out like that. So what? Have already gottenthat job and I would have had to turn it down. I'd have been disappointedthen. I've been looking at the last 89 months of my military, so I'm like,what am I gonna do? So luckily, I got those nose along the way and help meimprove my tape. So I kept getting better as I was getting those nose andnot I was getting frustrated. I was getting discouraged at times. You know,this is why I'm giving you advice. But at the same time, I kept believing andI was like, It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. And once again, thetiming was right, because two hours after I got out of the military, that'swhen I got that job, the one that said yes, two or three weeks that Iinterview with right before I got the military. So my advice is don't listento the nose or get discouraged by all the nose because you're going to hear alot of them in the beginning. But all it takes is one, right? Yes, that couldcatapult start and catapult your career to what you really wanted to be. Listen,be nice and continue to network, man. That'll work for you. I'm telling you.Yeah, definitely. Networking is definitely key. Are you ready for some more lighterquestions? Some fun questions? Let's do it. Uh, what's your favorite song rightnow? New favorite song right now. Uh, man, I don't know if I have a favoritesong right now. Uh, yeah, I like that ratchet stuff, man. Andwhen it just comes on, I just I like I mean, I could if I went on my playlistright now. Like I love Travis Scott. I love all these guys like I like thebaby. I love all these guys, but I don't know if I have one favorite song.Like, I love this song right here. Yeah, that's all. Yeah, you know, So I don't know if I have afavorite song. Alright, I'll take it. What about Are you, like a Jersey guyor like, a shoe guy? Say it again. Are you Jersey guy or like, a shoe guy? Uh, more of a shoe guy. You know, wearjerseys. You know, here's the thing I've owned. And I'm a huge Yankee fan.Uh, I've owned maybe three jerseys in my entire life. That's it. I've neverbought a Knicks jersey. I love the Knicks, but I ain't never had a playerthat I love that much that I wanted to buy Jersey. And I think wearing abasketball jersey over your regular clothes look, stupid shit. Beyonce withyou, that's just me. I don't understand why you do that. And then if you wearwithout a shirt on, you ain't playing. You look stupid as shit. So why wouldyou wear a basketball jersey? I don't understand why people do that, butthat's just me. I understand why other people do it. Um, Both so calledjerseys, huh? Both shots. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?What I'm saying, like, hey, I'm not trying to judge. I just It's just forme. You know what I'm saying? I like hanging them up more. Yeah, you hangthem up. If you can hang them up, you get them signed. You know, it's cool todo something like that, but, uh, and And this wearing jerseys, period, whenI don't play the game. You know, it's another thing, but I did have to buy meto Yankee jerseys. I bought me Derek Jeter, Derek Jeter, jersey number two,and I bought the number 42 Mariano Rivera because it's it really accessthree jerseys because 42 is Mariano Rivera. And obviously that's JackieRobinson, which has been retired. So I enjoy it. So and then, um, for theGiants. My brother actually bought me Eli Manning Jersey. I want to buy thisshit myself. But he bought it for me,...

...and I used to wear it during the Giantsgames or whatever when he was actually really good and playing for my teamwill win Super Bowls, but yeah, those are the only three jerseys I've everowned. I got well, I gotta follow up at the Hall of Famer eventually. Eventually. And I say Ilove Eli Manning. Don't get me wrong. A great guy. Nice person, good footballplayer. Good. Is he one of the greatest of all time? Hard to say, because I'm aGiants fan. I know he won two Super Bowls right too soon. He won two SuperBowl. I get that, but is that criteria is that the only criteria takes to getyou into the Hall of Fame. So you mean to tell me you can suck? You can have15 seasons in the league. You can suck for 12 of those seasons, have threereally good seasons to you win the Super Bowl and you get into the Hall ofFame. I don't believe Eli had good seasons throughout the Eli. You look athis record the season how many times he actually go to the playoffs. He didn'tlike half the times that he was in the in the in the league and the league. Hedidn't leave, leave his team to the playoffs, and then the only games thathe won in the playoffs are those two Super Bowl winning seasons. So you tryand tell me how how much success did you have in the postseason? And howwell did he play in the regular season? I don't know. Eventually, he's gonnaget in because he's got those two Super Bowl rings, though. You're a realist,uh, Giants fan because all Giants fans I know he's Yeah, he's a he's a suresure Hall of Famer. He ain't definitely ain't first battle. He definitely was. Alright, last one, Um, like, who hasbeen, like, your favorite interview, and And is there anybody that you wantto interview that you haven't interviewed yet? Uh oh, gosh, My favorite interview. Isay one of my favorite interviews was the time I interviewed Snoop. Firsttime when he came on NFL live because he was high and I smelled like we threwwas bad. He was like, Wow, bro, like you're gonna come in here and the wholejoint smells like weed. But it was cool. He had a lot of fun. He was just, like,just real loose, relaxed, like you always say, Snoop real cool. Dude, thatwas one of my memorable interviews, but my favorite interview may have been Ican't think of the guy's name, but he used to be a UFC fighter. He's wherethis big chain and how all the time Black dude he had Yeah. I can't thinkof a guy. Uh, rampage. Rampage, Jackson. Yeah, that's a rampage, Jackson. And hehad this chain on, and we had just funny interview. I had this, like, hadmy producer make this paper chain that you know. You see little kids make Putit around my neck and he had his chain on and I was like, Man, I'm you know,I'm the paper chance. That's what I said. I was a paper champ and he bustedout laughing. We just because he had just won the championship, was talkingabout being in Vegas party with Jamie Foxx is a good interview. And thenanother one was with Magic Johnson because we didn't just talk about thisHall of Fame career. He talked about business as well. So I remember thatman. But, you know, I've had a good run, bro. Yeah, for sure. What about dreamInterview? Dream Interview would be somebody like,uh, I would like to interview Will Smith. Will Smith is my favorite personcelebrity. Ever do this? I like the guy. I think he's just good down to earth, alist brilliant person, and the fact that theother day came out that he could run for president. I'm like I'd vote forWill Smith held and we had a reality show star, Mr President, and you saw awrestler in Minnesota winning the governorship and then an actor and onthe Schwarzenegger won the governorship in California. I can't. Will Smith berun the country here? The rock and I've been around the rock before, but yeah,you know, I love both of those guys. I just think they have good energy, andthey're just good people. So and I would like to know more about him, andI think he'd be foretelling, uh, foretelling foretelling about that.He's been killing now. Yeah, he's incredible, man. He reallyadmired that, dude. Well, Mike, I appreciate you coming on. And could youlet the listeners know where they can...

...follow you at? You can follow me if you want to. Onits Mike Hill on all social media platforms on Twitter and on instagram It s Mike Hill. And you can also buy the book open mic, uh, amazon at amazon dotcom target dot com walmart dot com I'm sorry. And Barnes and nobles dot comand, uh, doing well, and I appreciate all your support and follow me andwatch being see Black News Channel as well. Uh, yeah, Real housewives ofAtlanta and White song. All that type of stuff. I'm everywhere, man. Yeah,it's my kill is on my social media platforms. Boom. That was great. Okay,.

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