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Nick Mayhugh | Average to Savage EP144


This is the one hundred and forty-forth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring Paralympian gold medalist Nick Mayhugh. Paul Guarino talked with Nick Mayhugh discussing his soccer career to his track career, keeping condition a secret in college, and winning multiple medals at the 2020 Paralympic games.

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This podcast interview with Nick Mayhugh was originally recorded on September 21, 2021

...this is the average to Savage podcastwith paul Guerrino. Everyone in anyone athletes celebs andmuch more. So if everybody I'm back for another episode of the average Savagepodcast. Our special guest today is nick Mayhew nick how's it going? I'mdoing well. How are you appreciate you coming on uh Let's just go back in timelike how did you first get involved in like sports and soccer and things likethat. Um I was really born into it you know my my brother is 5.5 years olderthan me. My dad played sports growing up so as soon as he had one son he gothim into sports and then my brother picked up soccer was really good at itand um you know growing up I just wanted to be just like him and you knowreally just emulate him and wanted to be better than anything that he did. SoI played soccer too and then you know played played soccer my whole lifeplayed basketball a little bit um snowboarded you know just try to be asas like as possible. Yeah yeah for sure now you were in the 2021 Paralympics.Uh what was the journey like to just like qualify for that? Um Is it likethe same as like the olympics like explain something. Yeah so I mean it'sthe same exact thing is the olympics there's um I mean you have to go to ustrials and then you have to hit their standard, there's the olympic standard.What I've shown you know anybody like you saw a. D. K. Metcalf go to the U. S.Travelers and try to qualify and hit that standard, you just admit it. Soanyone if you're, if you're eligible um for the paralympic spirit, you'reeligible for the olympics, it's all in the same. Um you just have to hit yourstandard, you get your standard and you get selected. So I had, you know, I wastraining for the last 18 to You know 20 months solo track and field 10 hours aday, six days a week, every single you know every single day I was at it andwent to U. S. Child and I was actually my first legit track meet which whichwas the qualifying event to go to the island which was crazy. So um you knowit was just it was a crazy experience has definitely been a roller coaster.It's definitely moved very very fast but you know I wouldn't want it anyother way. Yeah definitely. I'll tell you how I discovered you, I think youknow, it's probably from it was from Tiktok. So the new new age of socialmedia. So uh so definitely like I mean I work with athletes all the time and Itell them like I was like you got everyone got down on Tiktok like all ofthem got so so just to show you that it's important that's how I knew aboutyou because I wasn't then I probably wouldn't. There you go. That's funny.Uh but yeah, just going into the paralympics, like obviously we're inthis weird still stage with the pandemic and stuff. So what was it likejust to travel and, and then just like the arrangements and all the, all theviral videos, like the quote unquote like uh the beds and things like that.Like what was, what was just that like the environment? Yeah, I mean it wasdefinitely just once in a lifetime. I mean, because that's the thing, it waspretty cool to be able to be, I mean this is being my first paralympicsystem first, like my first legit um you know that like this um I'm excitedthat it was the, it wasn't killed because it was the pandemic one becauseit was so different and I was actually interesting because I knew what theother villages were like, I know what the other athlete villages and theother experiences, you know the rumors and stories and all that. Um, but to bethere for them and I was just excited and I'm glad I was in Tokyo becauseTokyo is one of the most clean in Japan is just a clean, disciplined countryand you know, there's no trash anywhere on the street, there's no, um everybodyis doing their job and doing their job correctly and so when we got there iseverything was flawless, you know, it was, it was actually really, reallynice and then you go into all the um the funny stuff of the cardboard bedswhich really worked hard with, they were more like plastic cardboard. Itwasn't just like doing the little cardboard boxes that we were sleepingon, but the mattresses were recycled...

...plastic. Um The beds were plasticcardboard and they were very very uncomfortable and uh but you know itwas cool. We all I mean we stayed in our team usa building, we had our owngame rooms and stuff, we had our own entertainment rooms and we all got tolike I was it was cool to hang out with everybody to meet as many people aspossible and then to be able to see the other athletes from other countries andsee how they work and what they do and you know, it was just a it was a goodexperience of the wrong, but I'm definitely excited for fans to be backfor like you back to normal in paris, I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, Yeah,for sure. Um What, which one was the first race you ran in? Like the first one was the 101 100.Yeah. All right. So, so when you, when you got there like like where you likeyou get there and stuff where you're like nervous. Um I wouldn't say I was nervous. Iwasn't nervous to compete. I was nervous as soon as I would like it wasthe environment. Uh you know, to walk into, the only time I really feltnervous to be honest was opening ceremonies is when we walked in and,you know, there's nobody in the stands like, like there should be and I'm usedto playing in front of fans anyway, you know, in college and with the nationalteam for soccer and you know, there's so many fans just in general, anywherewe go. So, I mean, that's something that doesn't really affect me, but justwalking into the Tokyo Stadium and no knowing and realizing, you know, theessence of why we were there and the meaning of it all and to walk out therewith the flag and walk around with their called team USA and then, Youknow, to see everybody see everything and last when they kind of like, seehow big the stadium actually was. I was like, damn. And then, you know, uh,going leading up to my 100, I was so prepared. I've done everything I could,you know, mentally and physically prepare myself. So, I mean, I walkedonto that track and I visualized it so many times before that I just knew whatI was going to do and I knew that it was nothing new. You know, it was justanother rep. So I wasn't nervous going into the race, but I was before forsure, definitely. Yeah. So you won the gold and set a world record. So whatdoes that mean to you? I mean, it's cool, you know, it hasn'treally hit me yet, you know, even after everything that I did, you know? Umit's it's sort of, I think I sort of expected it. Um you know, I sat downwith my coach before I left the States to come to Tokyo and we wrote downeverything we were gonna we were gonna do. And he was like, all right, well,this is your first race, the 100 problem. And he was like, what time yougonna run? And I told him 10 9, He was like, so he was like, all right, so youwant to break the world record around 10 9? And I was like, yeah. And then hewas like, all right, in the final, what do you want to do with time? And I toldhim I wanted to run faster. I told him I wanted to break the world recordagain and went gold and we did that with every single rich. And So that was,it was sort of ingrained in my head that I was already going to do what Idid and but to actually do it, you know, there's, there's a heightened, justamount of emotions. I'm sure you could see when I ran across the finish line.I'm screaming just staring at the clock 15 years before I do. It just, you know,I was just, it's just in that moment, you just kind of everything that you'replaying that you want to do just goes out the window and you just act on pureemotion and it's it's incredible yeah, for sure and you just win one goal, youwant three golds and a silver, like what has it been like, just like, youknow, people reaching out like getting on interviews, like, like how's yourlife changed basically? Uh has really changed that much to be honest, I mean,you know, it definitely remember standing up there on the podium and Igot really emotional for the first time I was on and then I got reallyemotional on my fourth medal and just because I was just thinking about umyou know, all the last two years that I put into really doing all this and theamount of working time my brother and I put into this and you know, justwishing that he could have been there to see everything in person and to beable to really experience that with them. That's something we had workedtowards for two years. And then you know, when I got back was really goodto see him. Really good to see my family and I mean hasn't really,nothing really changed. I mean, I'm...

...definitely, you know, any anythingother than like my instagram followers on social media following really, youknow, my social media finding things up now, but I mean my everyday personallife nothing's really changed. People don't really speak to me differently oranything like that. Um I kind of stay away from people like that anyway, soI'm sure there are people like that trying to get in touch or trying toreach out and do some nice things now that they didn't used to do before allthis, but I don't really pay that anymore. Yeah, for sure. I mean thedope thing too that I saw before the um paralympic started that the, I guessthe us, whatever you want to call the, the sanction body, whatever they leteveryone. So now that they're equal pay for the gold medal, so that I thoughtthat was awesome. Yeah, that's and that's important too because this Imean it's pretty it's pretty cool to be a part of that just because it's thefirst year that they've ever done that, which is cool. But I mean it's just ahuge step in the right direction for the paralympic studio. I'm excited.Hopefully. Hopefully there'll be a lot more things coming, especially going toparis because paris ambition in three years time we want to do it all overagain. I'm excited. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, probably obviously theother weird thing about the pandemic, you know, there It was labeled stillhas 2020 and we're in 2021. So it's just like, I just remember like Lookingat Twitter and I'm like all right. Do I search like 2021 or like 2020 Olympicsor like it was just crazy But uh yeah, could you explain to the people justlike what uh like the disability you have in like the t like what T37 meansin the in the track and field. Yeah, so I was born with cerebral palsy. I havea very mild form of it. What people don't know is that through the policyis a very wide range neurological disorder. Um So it can affect, you know,um your nerves, your motor function, your range of motion, everythingphysical um along one or two limbs three or four, and it just reallydepends on your specific case. Um But really just affects your motor function.Um your range of motion and the ability to use a limb or you know, digits andyour finger or your feet, or your ankles just sort of joins himeverything. It really just affects um everything sort of physical um thatgoes hand in hand with sport. Uh Me specifically. Um I grew up 14 years ofmy life, always knowing that there was something wrong. Um Not reallyacknowledging it because I was so athletic, so, you know, um I madeeverything looks so normal that no one really ever thought, you know, therewas something necessarily medically wrong and but I always knew I alwaysknew that there was something different between my left and my right side. UmAnd you know, it wasn't until I was 14 years old that I had a grand malseizure before I went to high school and was, I woke up, I was laying in mybed, I had a grand mal seizure. My mom called 911, I was rushed to thehospital, they completely through both sides of my tongue and you know, atthat moment I thought that, that was there for me. I had no idea I was a 14year old kid, I had no idea what was going on. And that rushed to thehospital. They ran a bunch of tests and scans and found a dead spot on theright side of my brain. And if you look on like any of my merchandise justreleased their, on my instagram, anything, you'll see the MRI and it'sjust like a dead spots, just the size of a golf ball pretty much and it'sjust a, an inactive part of my brain and that's caused from a stroke that Ihad in utero from ST uh, that caused my cereal policy. So um, it's been, youknow, a hell of a rod and you know, it's been pretty crazy, but I even, Iwouldn't, you know, say that I'm an expert in CPI or through opposing whatI know them, I'm still learning every day about stuff, you know, people reachout to me and, you know, give me information on it or asked me questionsthat I didn't really know or just something like that. Like I'm alwayslearning about it. Um But within the Track and field specifically. Um we arethe classes from 35 were considered t. 3 - 38. So there's 35 is considered themost severe case and then 38 is considered uh least severe. I'mclassified as a T. 37 which would be a...

...textbook CP. I see you and be able towatch him um you know uh play sport in the medical room and they're doing thetesting and be like okay let's get us through ballsy. It's very clear you cansee the differences between his left and the right side and you know, to tomy credit and some you know my family and my coaches, I've you know worked myentire life to try to hide that, you know, and so the untrained medical Iyou would never be able to tell that, you know, I may be a disabled athletesbut you know, I've I've put in the work as appreciated sounds, I've practicedand tried to put in the word every single day to make it look at school aspossible to you know to try to exceed expectations, which I think I've done apretty good job of doing. Yeah yeah for sure and yeah you played division onesoccer at Radford um And then you're also on the the U. S. National team. Sowhat's it like being in a two sport athlete. Uh I mean it's it's humblingfor sure. It's not as easy as I thought it was gonna be, you know, to go fromplaying international soccer and you know, being one of the best CP soccerplayers in the world to you know, pick up a sport I knew nothing about wasdefinitely shocking. I thought, you know, I was like oh it's cool. Liketrack is you just run straight right? Like you just have to just get in thebox and get out and run. It's not that bad. Uh huh. And you know, it really shocked myworld real quick. You know, I've never felt as unathletic, as uncomfortable,you know, out of my element as I did when I was training for track and field,I had to completely re learned my running mechanics. I had to break itall down from square one and just like forget everything that I thought I knewand relearn everything and learn a lifetime of score in less than twoyears. And it was an insane idea. A lot of people, doctors and scientists thatI work with, you know, coaches that I worked with her telling me I was tooold. It's it's biologically impossible for you to relearn and re teacher yourfibers to do that. You're you know, you're slow to which marathon athletesand soccer and you're trying to become a fast which sprint athlete, it's it'simpossible. You're 25 years old. It's not you can't do that and you know,it's just a fuel to the fire and you know, be able to be here now doing whatI did, I told myself in day when I was able to do it and you know, been fun.Yeah, for sure. So, so now that you want all these goals and stuff, so areyou, are you going to solely focus on track? Are you still going to playsoccer? I'm gonna go, I'm gonna play soccer, consume um you know, it's, Idefinitely think, you know, it's been, it's been a changing card. I think thattrack is going to be my main thing though. I mean, I'm so obsessed with it.It's, you know, like I would, I'll just sit on instagram for, for hours or siton Youtube and watch videos, You know, I'll be in the airport or on theairplane just watching my videos back in, seeing things that I was doing, Idid differently and thanks to things like mistakes that I made in races inTokyo or before that and just watch, you know, you've seen um running intouh fred curly and uh, the grass and all the top sprinters in the, in the world,you know, just try to pick up on things that they do. So I'm obsessive, it'swhat I do all the time, you know, I'm always reading about it, always tryingto critique myself and learn more and do something. Um, but you know, Idefinitely I'm definitely want to go back and play soccer, it's what I loveis my first love. It's what I was put on this earth to do and uh you know,I'm definitely gonna go back and enjoy it, but we'll see, I mean if there'sthere's a conflict of interest, I might have to choose one of the other, we'llsee, but I'll cross that bridge when I get there. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. In2019 you were the US soccer player of the year two. So what did that mean toyou to be naming at that? I mean at that time that was that was a hugehonor for me, especially to my teammates and that's the main thingthat I had always said, you know, it was it was definitely cool for me toget that individual, you know, honor. But I mean, I wouldn't have been ableto do that without my two, something like that team as a whole that year wasso tough for us. We have been through a lot of adversity. A lot of a lot ofmessed up things have gone on and out...

...of our control. And so to be able toreally cap it off with the bronze medal At the Pan Am Games in 2019 and youhave to get home and he, you know, awarded that honor was super cool andat that time that was the biggest moment in my life, you know? Um so thatwas definitely, it felt good, but I knew that you know we weren't numberone in the world, so it doesn't really matter, you know, I could be, you giveme all the awards and you know that that's not really who I am, you know, Ijust want the team to be number one in the world, I want us to be the best.You know, I can I can be the best but it does mean nothing if my teammatesthe best. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And what advice wouldyou give to a young athlete coming up? That's a loaded question, but I meanjust to to I mean there's a lot that you know young athletes nowadays don'tdo that uh you know they kind of lose sight of it all with social media thing,what it is and trying to look cool and trying to look like you're doing a lotof things, it's just you know, just a simple and cliche that is just neverforget why you started and to just always believe in yourself um along theway, you know, if if you can hold those two things close to you and you'llnever lose, you know, and the the it's what you want to do what you do um youknow like growing up, I always um I always knew, I love soccer, I alwaysknew that I was good at it, but I was good at it because I loved it and I was,I wanted to get better at it every single day. I haven't had any wordbelief tattooed on my leg. And I was always, I've always had my own back.You know, I'd always believed in myself first before anybody else. I alwaysbelieved myself, I knew that no matter what, no matter my disability, nomatter my left side, and how weak my left foot was and how bad my left passwas, or you know, I couldn't cross the bone with my left to as well as I couldnot write and certain things like that. Like, no matter what, I always believemyself that I could be wearing them today and if you don't then nobody elsewill. You know, there's been a few times along the road that I've lost thelove for it and, you know, it became a job, things that I just wanted to quitand give up as long as you remember why you started and, you know, break it alldown to make it as simple as possible. It's just a game. You know, people,people turn it into all these things and turn it into full time jobs and allthese things that take it so seriously. You just got to have fun with it andjust already believe exactly if you don't, nobody else will. Yeah,definitely. Um, like did your coaches at, at your college know that you hadthat not until, um, so it's funny because Igot recruited by everybody, um, without anybody knowing, uh, all throughouthigh school, I kept a secret my first two years I talked to for as a secret,um, in college and then, uh, when I was a junior at around for the Big Southconference released the video on me about me being on the national team andmy disability and everything like that and nobody on my team new and theyactually reached out and they said, hey, we're gonna release this and the nextcouple days, is that okay with you? What's up? And I was like, no, justgive me, give me like a week. I need to, I need to talk, I need to tell a coupleof people something. And uh, so I sat down my entire, all my teammates andthe entire coaching stuff down in the locker room and I said, Hey, likeyou're about to learn something about me that, uh, you know, nobody reallyknows and I need to, you know, I just need to balance with you guys becauseit's kind of shocked some of y'all. And I told them and a majority of them weresupportive and there was something that I like, I like there's no way you'renot to say, well there's nothing wrong with you, like and all these things andyou know, my teammates, they were good and bad with my teammates, my coaches.I remember after I said that in the locker room, they took me up to thecoaching office and my head coach and my two assistants and coaches sat down.They were like, why why didn't you you know, let us know what you mean. Iunderstand why you didn't like your teammates know, why wouldn't you let usknow? You know, like we recruited you and for the first two years of mycollege career, my freshman stalking your every single day after practice.Um Coach Butler Rally Butler would stay after practice with me and make me stayafter and we would do extra drills, um...

...dribbling drills and whipping ballswith my left and do shooting drills. We would do so many extra stuff afterpractice my left foot every single day just to try to make my left foot better,make it better and just get better and I never complained once. And you know,and that's just the type of athlete that I was. And he actually um he uh inin the office was like why why didn't you tell me? You know, if if I knewthat I wouldn't have, you know, been so hard on you, I wouldn't have made youstay out there every single day. And I just sat back and I looked at him andsaid that's why right there. I said that look, that tone of voice,everything that's what I don't want, I don't want your sympathy. I don't wantto be given the benefit of the doubt, I don't want that, Look, I don't want youto say those things I needed, I needed that, you know, I needed that actuallytraining, I needed that extra work and you know, if you want me to be the bestsoccer player, I wanted the coach, I want to be the best athlete I can be, Ineeded that extra work, I need to be pushed like that and you know, theyrespected it, but you know, they were definitely hesitant to be like, well wecan we can still do this or do whatever, but you know, I just don't want to betreated any different. I don't want to be looked down upon. I didn't want tobe given anything because I was quote unquote, you know, consider disabled.You know, it's there is such a negative connotation with the word disability,it needs to change. And I just didn't want any of those things that could berelated as negative towards it, you know? Um But yeah, and then after thatit just kind of uh kind of got out of control and we just, you know, thingshave blown up since then, but I'll never forget that. Yeah, no. Yeah, forsure. No, I totally agree. As you probably don't know, I'm actually in awheelchair. So I really yeah, I know all about what you're talking about.Like even like when I'm talking to people like I don't like if I'm tryingto meet up with somebody or like had a job interview in the past, like Ididn't tell them unless I had to and like, I would if I could actually getinto the place and things like that. So like, I totally understand what you'resaying. Uh because once you tell somebody then yeah, they might treatyou different differently. Uh but yeah, but yeah, just uh going going, what'snext with you? And then I know you you mentioned 20, Olympics, uh Paralympics.Um So but what else is next for you? Like in between those four years? Uh Idefinitely it's funny because a lot of people that's probably the mainquestion. I get it. So what's next? And that's that's right. The first thing Isaid when I did an interview with NBC after more than 200, they said now, youknow, I got to go home, what are you going to do? And I got home? And thefirst thing I did was I called up, my brother called on my coach and just hada little team meeting with us and I was like, look, what's next, What do yougot to do? Right? And you know, I'm going to enjoy my time off for sure. UmAnd then get right back to work and whether that's, you know, training forsoccer and getting back in the swing of things with soccer and football or umyou know, getting back to track because we have, you know, have the World Cupfor the national soccer team in in april and then we've got the worldchampionships for track and field in Kobe japan in the summer, and thenthere's another soccer tournament in the fall. Um you know, but there'sdefinitely there's a there's a little thing I got growing up, I'm trying toI'm trying to see if I can get into one more sport, I think I'm gonna try to dothree and uh I'm going to keep it a secret as to see uh right now I'm goingto keep it a secret just to keep people on their toes because I don't want to,you know, say something and then not be able to do it. Uh but there's somethingelse I want to I want to try to uh they actually reached out and asked me if Iwas interested. Uh but I'm definitely gonna going to try to my my hand againthis work, it's a winter sport, but we're going to see we're going to seeif I'm able to do it. All right, that's no um uh So I know you said you're onvacation right now, where are you? Uh I mean uh I'm in Huntington beachCalifornia right now. Nice. Uh All right, so you ready for some funquestions. Mhm.

All right first. Oh yeah, first I wantto give you other props to on your on your t shirts for not just coming outwith t shirts with just your names on it, like because I don't like because Idon't know if people realize that obviously, you know, I'm sure you knowwhere all the N. I. L some people are just like throwing their name on ateacher. I mean why would somebody want that? I've been thinking about that.Design that everything. I mean, I have so many more things out better how tocome out of it. I'm trying to do it all the right way. Um But yeah, I was I wasthinking about it because I just came out with my logo a couple months agoand then I was like what could have been my first thing doing. And it wascool because I was trying to incorporate my M. R. I. And you knowthat it's so funny because so many people reach out and I'm like, why doyou have, like what is that, like whose memory is that? What whose picture ofthe brain is that? And I'm like, oh, it's just some dude that I got off theinternet, like I just I just went on google and they messed up brain, andthen I put the first one that I saw like no, that's my brain. So it's funny,people are stupid. You know, I put a lot a lot of fun that, so thank you. Iappreciate it. Yeah, for sure. So what do you, what do you like to do in yourfree time? Uh I'm a big video again guy. I'm a bigCall of Duty. I got an Xbox. I just ordered a one of my friends makes Pcsfor uh for athletes and for gaming organizations and stuff. So um I justhope I just talked to him actually a couple days ago and he's building me acustom pc, which I'm happy about. I'm a big video game guys just, I get so lostin it and it's just me and my friends, a majority of uh some of my closestfriends are overseas, they play soccer internationally um in differentcountries and so it's video games is a really easy way for us to keep in touchand just kind of do us and um hang out throughout the day, but the timechanging everything. But um you know, I love the beach. I'm a beach kid throughand through. So I mean any time that I can be at the beach, I'm gonna be there.You know, video games, the beach just hanging out with my family and myfriends. Um I'm I'm a real homebody. I don't like being around a lot of peopleum you know, I just like to do my own thing and I'm very comfortable in myown space. So if I allow you to enter my space, it's and then it really meanssomething to me. So I don't know. I'm just a normal guy. I love, I love Oreos.I mean, that's pretty much it, man. Uh What's your, what's your favorite songright now? Um I would, I'm gonna either say hatsoff A Little Baby or Fair Trade on Drake's new album penetrated with himand Travis scott. Alright, yeah, I like those. Um And then last one. What's uh,what's uh, what's your favorite sheet meal? Average cheat meal. I got to thinkabout that. That's it. Because that's the pain that the luxury of like me andmy metabolism and my body, I'm able to eat. I mean, I have a strict diet whenI'm training and doing things, but like I can, I can afford a couple of morecheaper. How about this? How about this? What was like the first meal that yougot when you came back from Tokyo? I ate an entire, I had them. So when Igot back from the airport had so many people, whether they were fans offamily, um come to the airport and bring me a bunch of Oreos and I ate asmany Oreos as possible. I didn't eat dinner. I literally did not eat dinnerthat night. I went back to the hotel, we got a room. Uh I got a room and Iliterally had a box Orioles and ate as many. Orioles as I could. That waspretty much pretty much my only cheat meal. All right. But I love, I meanthat's the thing I love but I wouldn't even consider, I love sushi. I'm a bigsushi guy but I wouldn't consider that a cheap now I can eat as filmassociated. I could um yeah, I mean or you know that's my cheat oreo. That'sfunny. Well nick, I appreciate you coming on and I could do with thelisteners know where you can follow us on social media. Yeah, you can call meat nick maybe you and I C. K. And A Y. H. U. G. H. On all socialist ticktockinstagram um twitter everything. It's...

...all the same. Um I've just made apublic Snapchat for no reason so you can go and all that. But yeah, I mean Iappreciate you for having me on and I appreciate everyone for listening andif you ever got any questions I'm just a normal guy, you know, you can DMmessage me and whatever. I'm always going to have a conversation just toeducate and you know, just answer any questions of people that genuinely wantto know more about me or my disability or disability and sports in general,you know, um I think that's that's the biggest piece to everything is that youjust have to start the conversation of you know the paralympics or thedisability in general and you know try to try to sway away from the negativeconnotation um with the word disability but I really appreciate human, thankyou for having me on and if you have any anything you let me know. Yeah, Iappreciate you too. And it's likewise and best of luck with 2024 Olympics andParalympics. Sorry. And uh your journey uh all your other events and I'mlooking forward to seeing what the third event I think is. I think I mightknow nothing. No money. Thank you man. I appreciate it. We'll be in touch.We'll have that. We'll have to have another wrap up after after paris too.That one. Okay.

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