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Shawne Merriman | Average To Savage EP132

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This is the one hundred and thirty-second episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring former NFL player Shawne Merriman. Paul Guarino talked with Shawne Merriman discussing his NFL career with the San Diego Chargers/Buffalo Bills, his entrepreneurial ventures such as Lights Out Xtreme Fighting, and being open to a celebrity MMA match vs Logan Paul.

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This podcast interview with Shawne Merriman was originally recorded on July 29, 2021

...this is the average to Savage podcastwith paul Guerrino. Everyone in anyone athletes celebs andmuch more. Today's episode is brought to you by busr dot com. You know, everyone always asks me where they should bet and now Igot a solution for them. The U. S. R. Dot com slash paul. You deposit $100they'll match your $100 in free bets so you basically get $200. Go check it out,be usr dot com slash paul of everybody. I'm back for another episode of theAverage Savage podcast. Our special guest today is the legend, Sean,Merriman Sean. How's it going? I'm doing well, my man, how about you? Goodappreciate you coming on. What was it just like your recruiting process likeand things like that you know it's funny um I went to Frederick Douglasshigh school in upper Marlboro Maryland and um there was no D. One athletes,there was never somebody before me that went into A. D. One school and so itwas like I started kind of catch people's lives and I got him I'mrocking my Maryland my Maryland shirt today. Um I went to the University ofMaryland high School camp that they have for all the state of Maryland, D.C. And Virginia athletes that come for a three day camp. And that's when thatkind of put me on the map my sophomore year. Um That's also the same year Igot the nickname Lights out. So um when that happened man I started to get youknow calls and and people reaching out and showing up my basketball games youknow college college recruiters. Um And that you know that kind of issteamrolled after that. Yeah for sure. You gotta tell me howdid you get the nickname? Lights out. So my sophomore year I knocked out fourguys in one game and after the game I had about 2025students come running up and they said, man, you knock those guys lights out.And I said, um, okay, cool, yeah, call me lights out. So I didn't, I didn't, Ijust said that because it flowed, I didn't know it was actually gonna stick.So monday, you know, I got in school, got my book bag going and walking toclass and everybody's walking by me like a good game lights and called melights. So it kind of stuck with me. And then at University of Maryland Igot there my freshman year and most of the guys, especially juniors andseniors didn't want to call me lights out. And I got into, you know, yourfreshman, you know who you think you are coming here with a nickname, right?And my, I got into the game, I wasn't starting, but I got into the game uh,against Georgia tech on ESPN, it was one of our big national games and thewide receiver come trailing and running around across the middle and I hit him,knocked him out. Well he wasn't, he wasn't sleeping. He got up, stumbledand left the game and I don't know if he came back or not, but I got to thesidelines and all the juniors and seniors kind of passed me on the headand hit me on the back and a good hit lights out. I finally, my defensivecoordinator, Gary Black, me, everybody called me lights out. So it was kind ofone of those things that you know, you get a name at Rucker park, right, Likeyou gotta go up there, earn it. And so it was, it was one of those thingswhere it was earned. Yeah definitely. And then what what made you stay homeand go to University of Maryland? I I tell people now um between the D. C.Maryland Virginia area uh There's more talent than just about anybody in thecountry. So if you go look at texas or florida um California, Ohio if you lookat those states all those guys stay home. They stayed in their own backyard.The problem is is that you know when when Maryland wasn't playing so wellguys will look in Penn state, they go to Penn State, they go to florida stateflorida Alabama. They was leaving the state because the team wasn't you knowthe school wasn't good at the time. So now that mike locksley is back therewho was my who recruited me to go to Maryland? Um He I think they have thetop 15 or 20 draft classes in the country and they're going to make someways this year coming up in the big 10. Yeah, for sure. What has it been likejust for you to see like Maryland? Just like you were kind of just saying thatjust like grow now and just like all...

...the swag with all the under armour, allthat. They've got a million jerseys. Look man, I said this, I said some ofthose uniforms they're coming out with, I'm guaranteed to Saks, right? I meanif you don't get to Saks and some of those uniforms as a pass rusher,outside linebacker man, just take it off. Um You know, they got things likefive or six different switch ups and helmets. They have a new facility thatwas at the cole field house back in the day with the basketball games used toplay at that now is an indoor practice facility. Um So you know it's just I'mreally happy for him. I'm happy for Mike Locksley. I'm happy for theprogram because if the if the guys from the area from that D. C. MarylandVirginia area they stay home you know Marilyn can compete with anybody. Yeah.Yeah for sure. And then just like your time at Maryland like what was the,what was there like a moment there like you knew you could be in the NFL um Yeah my freshman year man you know Icame in with that attitude and I came in with the attitude for a reasonbecause I had a really good mentors lavar Arrington who um you know playedfor the Washington Redskins, great linebacker. There was my mentor in highschool and when I got to college Ray Lewis, his younger brother keonLattimore platforms that Maryland. so me and Ray got tight, so I would spenda lot of time with them, looking at NFL playbooks, um you know, work out duringoff seasons, I would go eat with a that, you know, I was just learning kind of apro lifestyle man, so I had um I had this mentality that I was aprofessional walking in school and so it's just kind of mentally speeded meup man, I was ready, I was ready to go to the NFL, that's why I left as ajunior. Yeah, for sure. And then what about like how is your house, your precombine and things like that and then like where did you, where did you thinkyou were going to go? And then like did that, your expectations meet meet? So Isigned um I end up signing with uh end up going with Gary Wishart, Pat, youknow he passed away some years ago. A great agent. He had Dwight Freeney,Jason, taylor keith Bullock. Um You know he had what he called us, hisfreaks, his freaking his players and when I when I signed with him I end upmoving out to L. A. To marina del Rey. I trained out there for three monthsbefore the combine, but also at that time uh pacman jones, Darren's frozen.Travis johnson had all we are all assigned with Gary Wishart. So we weretraining together during the off season. Uh and it was also my first time beingon the west coast and I was like man, if I could get drafted by someone theway I fell in love for like California, right? So I was like man, I I wish youknow it's really only 23 teams, right? The Raiders san Fran Cisco and um, andthe charges, right? There was a three team. Yeah. So that's the three teamsin California. Uh, so I was hoping to go to one of those. I was like, man,look, I just want to get back out here to Cali because I went on my visit umto the charges and they had told me that if I was a slip to the 12th pick,they thought I was building go somewhere in the top five. But if I wasthere at the 12th pick, they wouldn't draft me. But also, so did the cowboys.So the cowboys had passed me up after I went on a visit with them and they wentwith the markets where uh, and then I knew that I was going with the chargesmarty Schottenheimer called me the day of the draft and you know, the rest ishistory. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So you get drafted 12th overall. Um, I didn'tknow until I was doing my research, they, that was technically a part ofthe, the filled rivers eli manning trade. So what is that like to be apart of it now? Because like now we've seen both their cars finished. You know, it was cool because like,even when I'm from Maryland, so even when I go to new york and there's a lotof Maryland fans in new york and just on the east coast in general, and Iwould always get on the street like, man, you should have been with us hyperdeal, right? Uh, me, look, they drafted a great quarterback, eli manning. Um,and you know, Super Bowl, you know, two times. So it was two time Super Bowlchamp, right? Um, and so they had a great selection but also, I mean I knowwe didn't win the ring but you know, fill up if you look at the numbers dida lot better than eli now he got he got the trophies to prove it. We don't sogive a credit there. But man, when I...

...used, when I go to new york they'relike, man, you should have been with us. You know, I would always get that whenI'm in new york. Yeah, I mean that's just crazy. Just like how everythingturned out. I mean obviously you guys are three great players so I feel likeeverybody want like to be honest. And uh and then just like yeah like I likeyou were definitely like one of the most popular players like back in theday and the charters and all that Baby blue jerseys and all that. Like whatwas what was just like your overall experience like with the chargers? Youknow what man, when I got there? Uh, I walked in the locker room and you canbe intimidated by a lot of stuff, right? Because you're potentially walk intothe locker room or uh, with with four or five Hall of Famous, right? And LThas already been Antonio gates will be up in a couple of years. Um Who else?You know, you gotta, you know, Phillip by the never, he should go. You know,people can complain or go back and forth all they want to, but by theneighbors, Philip, Rivers should get the next, you're looking at Lorenzo andthen also Lorenzo neal, who I've been pushing for to uh, for the Hall of Fame.He should be in a hall of Fame, that's the best for back player that everplayed the game. Um And so he should get in. So you're looking atpotentially four Hall of Famers on one team and I'm 20 years old just turning21 walking into the locker room. And so I'm like damn, I got to know, you gottago out here and uh you know, show your ass because they just drafted you, youknow, the 12 picks, you gotta come in and perform right away. Yeah. Then just like what was it liketo um just be a part of the charters for so long and just like, you know,you know, not, you know, not a lot of players, you know, stay with the teamsthat along. Especially nowadays, Let me tell you something man, we hadsuch a close group of like a team. Um That's what made us good. Right? Welllike the players, we ran the team, I mean it was, you know, we got on eachother if practices running too long, you'll start hearing lT or one of theseguys screaming tee times because they wanted to go play golf. I mean we wekind of led the charge and what we were doing um and so that's what what madeus made us great and you know, if you go back and look at some of those teamsand I'm a I'm a mad fan, I love to play madden with my son. Um you know, theyneed to put us on one of the greatest teams that that was ever a simple umyou know, I know we didn't get the ring, but look on that roster, we had 11 probowlers in one year, you know, uh four Hall of Famers and so just just to be apart of that, maybe, you know, it's the biggest, I think the craziest thing isyou don't notice that to you, you retire right? Like you go back, youlook at everything, you're like goddamn, I played on, I played, you know, withLT and Phil and all this other stuff man. So you it was it was great timesback then. Yeah definitely, I definitely used to play with theChargers a lot and uh yeah just like even even just like that, like I feellike the Chargers organization is always just like a great team and theyjust haven't got through the hump yet. Like what do you like, what do youthink they need to do to get over that health? I mean that's just that's beenour biggest problem. And even back when we played in those NFC Championshipgames, we were all banged up, you know, I had a knee gates, had a foot uhPhilip, had a torn A. C. L. He had surgery on that week just to clean upand play uh Nick Hardwick I think had a back or something. You know, it was allour top guys were injured going into that game and when you get that late inthe season and sometimes it just comes down to who's the healthiest team whogot, who got all their horses there and we didn't have all our guys there anduh that that kind of bit us in the ass a little bit. And even now, I mean acouple years ago to charge people getting charges, I think in 2018 theywere 12 and four uh right, so you know, they had an opportunity to go there andand they got all banged up and the patriots when they got in the playoffsand start running the ball and kind of doing what they wanted to against thecharges. So it's it's been one of those things where it's been health and I andI preached that now they got Justin Herbert um you know, kenan island mike,Williams, Joey Bowles from the other side, Kenneth married there, Derwin isback. Um you know uh Drew tranquil if...

...he's a good part of it. So they gotguys right and if they stay healthy they should make a run for it. I knowyour name. Three time pro bowler. What was it like the first time you werenamed the Pro Bowl? I was uh so um it was only two rookies I think two. Itwas, what's the linebacker from Seattle? We were the only two rookies down thereI think that year. And it was my first time seeing like you know I playedagainst Peyton, manning my friend my rookie year. I had some sacks and stuffwith them and you obviously watching on Tv but you know my first time get achance to be around the pool chilling with him having drinks and seeing howhis personality, how funny he was. You know, all the guys I competed againstwalter jones. I've seen walter jones like on the way to practice and we wereon the same bus and I was like my God I played against that dude like that dudeis humongous, right? And so you compete against these guys for 60 minutesduring sunday's. But um you get a chance to see thepersonalities and that to me was cool with my first time ever asking forautograph. I've never asked anybody for autograph. I got the whole team to signfootballs and I got paid manage practice, Jersey provo practice. So itwas my first time like being an environment where dude I'm I'm from P.G. County Maryland and you know I've got I brought all my family out there.I think I flew like 10 people out there the first time. Um So I my littlecousins and aunts. No you know we didn't we didn't have that luxury tosee that kind of stuff growing up. So it was it was like a big deal to methat you know my cousins and uncles and everybody get a chance to see hawaii uhand those type of things for the first time it was like one of your goals likealways to get the most sad because I know 2016 year the sack leader. I I honestly man before I was injuredand I was probably a little bit cocky about it because I would always kind ofsay things and I just believe in speaking things to uh to exist, existas manifesting a lot, right? Um So I would tell I want to tell guys like I'mgoing to the profile every year, like I said that my rookie year and you know,I remember Big Jamal Williams, our defensive tackle looked at me like, youknow, you cocky little shit, you know, coming in. Um but I just, I felt thatway and I felt like I worked and um if I kept working and kept my head downthat I was gonna go to the provo every single year, then I got hurt and youknow, after my fourth year and I couldn't stay on the field after that.Um and you know, the crazy thing about it is that, you know, you come into anorganisation that had one of the greatest linebackers of all time inJunior Sale and so you start I mean, I've never forget my after my rookieyear. Uh it was an article that came out in the union tribune newspaper inSAn Diego, where they said they would compare me to Junior and I was like, ohmy God man, don't you know, you talk about like you talk about Mr SAn Diego,you know somebody who 11 straight pro bowls of 10, 11 straight pro bowls, Ithink it was just just next level. So to get compared to somebody like thatearly on and then actually in my mind and thought process to actually want tofollow in those footsteps and possibly be better. Um It was something like I Ialways constantly I said I was very vocal about that and I was vocal aboutit because I wanted, I wanted to be held accountable for it, you know whatI'm saying? So um yeah, man, that was that was definitely a goal. Yeah, Yeah,that's awesome. That, you know, you just said you were like, yeah, yeah,I'm going to be a pro bowler every year. Uh And then yeah, so then after 2000,yeah, after 2010 season, you signed with Buffalo, uh what made you signwith Buffalo? Because I know like I always hear like mixed things about itfrom NFL guys. Oh dude, let me tell you what, I don'twant to go there, you know, like, and initially I was scratching andscreaming and I told the general manager who Buddy Nix who actuallydrafted me with the charge is a big part of me going there. Um He was a GMof the Bills And I remember the call...

...and I said, I said buddy, I love you todeath. I ain't coming. Right. That was my exact words. I said, I love you todeath, but I ain't coming. He said sean look, you know, um, we want you outhere and uh, you know, we we we know what you can do and help theorganization and you know, be a leader. And uh, I said buddy, I hear you, Ihear you, but I'm still not coming. So do whatever y'all got to do. And I hungup the phone. He called me back like 20 or 30 minuteslater and I said, I said, hello, somebody I told you I'm not comment. Hesaid, uh, well, we'll just put in your contract. So I guess we'll be seeinghere. I said, I don't I don't care do whatever you want. I'm not coming. Yougotta put in my contract all you want, Right? So he did told me, he said, youknow what? Every day you don't show up, it's like 10 or $15,000 a day. I said,okay, when you guys sitting in the plane, right, What do you guys sendingthe jet? So they end up sending me to playing out there? But it honestly wasthe best experience I ever had in my life at that point. Because I've neverseen anything a fan base like this. Like we had good fans with the charges,charges of fans were great. But there are also great because we won a lot ofgames. Like it's not hard to come and see, you know, you got kickingeverybody's ass with 14 and two seasons 13 and three. I mean we, we had a greatteam. Um, but in Buffalo is just like, they love you regardless of whateverhappens, they love their, that you get in Buffalo is just unmatched. Um, andthen I found myself not only loving to be in Buffalo, but also recruitingother people to buffalo Mario Williams, nick, Barnett kurt Morrison I got allthose guys did. Um, and it was like one of these things where that was just,you know, some, some places that I got really attached to. Yeah, that's I meanthat's awesome. Yeah, I'm sure like everyone sees, you know, the BuffaloBuffalo bills fans just like go viral every year. Pretty much for somethingcrazy. Um, and then just tell me about like after your career, I know you'redoing a lot of entrepreneurial things and you opened up your own mm. A league?How Yeah. How how is that? How did that, how did that all come about? First ofall? Well, you know, first and foremost, um, I've been around the sport for 16years. I actually uh, started training just a little bit doing between my 2005and 2006 off season. Um, a good friend of mine, jay Glazer over at Fox Sports,he said, um, hey, I think you should come and learn from in May and that,mind you, I got boxes in my family, I got, you know, three professional boxesin my family. So I grew up around boxing, but mm A was just getting hot,like around the mid two thousands, so I wanted to go train first day I walkedin there, jay Glazer on the right, randy guitars on the left and I'mlooking like, holy shit, I'm not sparring, randy couture, I'm notfighting randy door like, but I said, no, no, no, we're gonna, we're gonnateach you something. So I started to work it um every off season after that,and you know, I got the pleasure being around some of the great Tito Ortiz andchuck Liddell and all these guys, what I've spent some years around around, uhwell I got a chance to train and work and get, you know, just little thingsthat ultimately end up helping me in football. So fast forward now to uh,you know, Miami made company lights out extreme fighting where um, we got a bigfight at the Commerce Casino coming up august 7th. We also just announced abig partnership with football tv, uh football sports. Um so now there willbe streaming all over the country, I think Canada Spain was simulcast inspanish. Um and it was something that I knew that was happening over the lastlike, probably a month and so when you know, something big is coming and youcan't talk about it yet, I'm like, goddamn is killing me. Um But yeah,it's a great partnership for us um the great over there to work with and theirup and coming, you know, streaming sports streaming service, got a bunchof good programming on that. We have more announcements coming, includingsome former athletes from other sports transitioning into lights out. Alright,yeah. Speaking of that, so I know you just said you had boxers and yourfamily, so would you ever do a celebrity like boxing match? You know,you see, you know, if if I ever was gonna fight man, to be honest, it'sgoing to be in lights out if I, if I ever was um Honestly, I wish like I'mgoing to Spar today, uh 3 30 um and I...

...just like to work. I like to stay inshape and have some kind of competitive. I try to tell any any former athlete, Idon't care what sport you play. Pick up some form of combat sports, boxing,muay thai jiu jitsu something, Right? Um, and just pick it up because we weall are kind of missing something when we get done that competitive side tokind of get us going back and everything else. Yeah. What what wouldyou what would you pick? And the mayor boxing? Um, I was doing before Anythingelse? I want to take somebody to the ground. I ain't got time to look cute.Alright. So would you All right. So Logan paul says he wants to do mm. Eh?Would you fight him? And Yeah, absolutely. I fight Logan. Sure. 100%.I mean, he's a he's a big dude but you're bigger. Yeah but I would I wouldfor that I would drop I would drop weight if I had if Logan was down tofight. I mean that would be that would be pretty cool. You got your ownpromotion. You Logan paul obviously he wants to do it. So that would be prettydope. Um, and then, and then we're on a podcast obviously now tell me aboutyour podcast and then why did you start a podcast? Yeah. Lights out extremepodcast. You can get it anywhere. Apple and you can download any way you canget podcast from. And I really started it man because I was doing these radioshows and like your your on and off in 10 minutes. Right? And then um you ask,you get asked about four or five questions and you're done and with me Ihave so many different stories. I have so many different background andnetworks of people. So we talked football, we talk Nascar. We talkcollege sports. Uh, obviously mm a and so for me it's just been really cool todo because you know, they're 25 around 25 or 30 minutes long and it's more ofa conversation. Right? And I think that when you're talking to another athleteand you know, you feel comfortable enough to have like mindedconversations. Is that what what people really enjoy about it? Yeah, definitely.And speaking of Nascar, I saw that uh, back in 2017 you did like a partnershipwith them, which uh, I didn't even know about. And then I'm sure you saw like,you know, chad johnson and um Brandon Marshall did like a partnership withthem to get through the podcast thing. So I guess you were before you were,you're ahead of the curve. I'm always ahead of the curve man and everybodyelse, you know, get credit for it after uh, no, I had a team on the Canonseries uh, with Jesse would use one or two black drivers in Nascar and Ithought that it was some important for me to get behind right because they, itwas a big diversity issues some years ago and there needed to be more, um,you know, Hispanics, asians, blacks, other, um, you know, minorities in thesport and I wanted to get behind that. Uh, Nascar actually did a great job. Iwas, I was, you know, not really surprised but kind of caught off guardand how much they were trying to support that initiative. So it wasreally cool for me to work with. Yeah, definitely. I think you might have tore reach back out to them and do something else. I wear 11 day when Iget ready. You know, I saw Jordan get back in. I'm like okay, yeah, Georgeget all the credit because he's, you know, he's go it's M. J. Um, and he's alittle bit more funded than I am to go into the sport. But uh, it's honestly,man, it's one of the, it's one of my passions to be around and when I'm lessbusy I try to get out to at least four or five tracks a year. Yeah, But Idon't think people realize how much it actually cost to like run a car perweek. I mean just just on, on our seriesalone it was 25 plus a race. So you know, you get, you get up to the cupseries and you're talking about a half a million and a half million dollars ofthe race. Yeah, it's not money. Um What advice would you give to like a youngerkid? You know trying to get like a D. One scholarship or trying to go tocollege or like trying to make the pros take care of what you need to do today.It's you know a lot of this social media and all this other stuff, peopleare more concentrated on where they're trying to get to instead of taking careof what you need to do today, the workout school, all those things, ifyou do everything right, you don't get there. But to try to skip the processbecause people are telling you you're gonna be great, you're gonna go to theone, you're gonna play the professional, you know, you're gonna play pro ballone day. Well, let all the other people...

...think that and talk about that. But youhave to do what you need to do today so you can get their handle yourresponsibilities don't look too far ahead when every single day and youeventually get to where you want to go. Yeah, definitely. Then one last seriousquestion. What is your what's your take on the new N. I. L. Rules with college?Yeah. Um as far as he paying college athletes?Yeah. Oh yeah it should have been happened. You know, it's one of thosethings where you know, look, I get it. Um guys are getting scholarships andthings like that, but there's an awful lot of money being made from thesecollege athletes and look, the least you can do is let them make money offof their own name. It's their name, they were given, they earned it. Um andat least they're able to do that. I'm sure there will be some restrictionsand some things they've got to cut back on and watch and stuff like thatbecause you know, you get a lot of these sleazy people or sleazy agentsrun around the campus trying to, you know, getting getting guys face or somekind of sleazy businessman is offering a deal. So they call this guy's got tostill be protected, but to not make money off your own name. A name thatyou built is just ridiculous to me. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. No, I think it'sgonna be dope for those kids that are just like their elite at their colleges,but don't necessarily make it to the pros, like they're gonna cash out andthey're like, you know, the pharaohs of that? 100% no doubt. Are you ready forsome fun questions? Let's do it. What's your what's your favorite song rightnow? Um Favorite song I love uhstraightening me. Uh Yeah, that's straighten is my favorite song rightnow, like that, Who who's like uh like who's on your wish list to interview onyour podcast? I want to get the rock one day. Yeah,we do. I want to I want to get the rock. I mean, I know him. You know, we'vewe've hung around each other several times. But um to really, I actuallywant to talk to him more about the transition, right? Because nobody didit bigger than him from where he was going with W. W. And now, two moviesand businessman production. Um, but I think it would be very informal for alot of guys trying to look for that second act they done with their firstor transition out. Yeah, definitely. Uh what do you like to do in your freetime? I work man. Um I have a insuranceagency also. Life insurance agency. Lights out agency dot com if peoplewant to go to that brand noise always. Um And so you know just helping andprotecting families also helping people make six figure uh incomes. So it'sbeen cool to me because it was something I got into over the pandemic,what I was just kind of doing. We all had a lot of time with our hands. I gotmy insurance license. Um But you don't have a team of a little under 100agents and we're growing like crazy and then you know we'll help we'reprotecting families man. It's you know it's covid thing has brought a lot ofthings to surface. So again man, if you want to join my agency and if you wantto get more information, go to lights out agency dot com. For sure. Alright,so I gotta ask you do you have anything else going on? And you got a lot goingon? That's it man. Just this lights out extreme fighting um august 7th uh inthe football tv deal man. We uh I think that partnership is going to be majorand this is why obviously we'll be showing the fights live but we havesome more content, some shows that I have in the works right now about theseathletes, these former athletes transitioning into combat sports intolights out extreme fighting. This is like next level. This is a big deal. Doyou know how many like fights around the card yet? Yeah, so this fightcoming up we have 12 fights. Um Start streaming live at 6:30 p.m. Pacific. Soif you don't have football tv man make sure you get it. Um It's gonna be nextlevel. Yeah for sure. Well I appreciate you coming on and you have thelisteners know where they can follow you at, yep just follow me at ShawnMerriman on twitter, instagram, tiktok and also follow lights out XF oninstagram and twitter. This episode has been brought to you by B USr dot com.Go check it out to get your free $100...

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