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Trevor Kieboom | Average to Savage EP36

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This is the thirty-sixth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring MLB agent Trevor Kieboom. Paul Guarino talked with Trevor Kieboom discussing his baseball family, college playing career at Clemson and Georgia, and how he became a baseball agent for Vanguard Sports. Trevor's brothers Spencer Kieboom and Carter Kieboom both play for the Washington Nationals. Follow Trevor Kieboom https://www.instagram.com/TrevorKieboom https://twitter.com/TrevorKieboom Powered by PG Sports https://www.pg-sports.com

This is the average Ti aveage podcastwith balgarina everyone and anyone athletes selectsand much more. It's up everybody, I'm back for anotherepisode of the average savage podcast or special guests today is TrevorKeyboom trever hows going it's going, man getn ready for the season, so nocomplaints on my en yeah Coan. You just give us a brief background aboutyourself, yeah, absolutely so I out of high school I committed designed withcounty university as there for two years can really get chest. PLAYES T atis coming off of one shoulder surgery and, first of all, thenr. I had anothersoak soy surgery. That was my second kind of one to the sprang. Trying O getback Gan a get healty from he season, Ende up having a third surgery aftergoing off to summerball, realize that my major planet climbs in what Koind ofhappen so Wonc, O Chalen to guys Movin College, a Phoenix City Alabama stayhealthy for the whole year, which was kind of my goal. I knew if I washealthy, that the town and the numbers we kind of Trind to come out and speakfor themselves. So I was fortunate enough to go to the DUCO rorld seriesthere and play on a really good team for really Goo Guy n, Chish Thomas andthen ending up playing that Duversy Jority for two years. So don't think Iwould have thought that I was going to be a bulldog after going to Clempson,but couldn have been happier and enjoyed my two years of Georgia,probably more than anywhere how it, How d you get started, playing baseball,at's, Ohi, just one of those things where you en we grow up. You know wyour your father playing an your older brothers playing then, even when youtry other sports you're around a baseball field, more than any otherfield or any other court or whatever maybe- and he just was one of thosethings where baseball was Kein in our family and kind of tricked down to myyounger brother as well so ius kind of easy for all of us anse. We have tofeel a all the time when baseball is a sport. W chose for sure and WHA was therecruiting process like like out of high school and obviously I know yourbrother as already at Clingon Yeah. So it's a lot different now than I cankitit was then wher I graduated high school, two thousand a aredand was verycommon for guys to start real looking at schools, you know your junior yearand then commit commit your junor summer going into your senior year. Inow I think, if you don't have an alter the school you want by yourself. Wereyour kids start panicking, but it was pretty quiet. Ou know you got the phonecalls from from Te. The schools are interested and I think it was July.Third or fourth was the date. They could first contact you soyou kind ofset around play. You waited for that Dao comand, the phone rang you Starte,to put together your visits, and I want to visit Schola Tenc in Alber andGeorge Tech, ND clumbsing, and a couple other schools and sheally Sark younarrowed down from the beginning, and I knew a lot about clumsying just becausemy older brother was there soi as around those guys in that coaches staff,alot and ye the more schools. I visited the more Reaiz that that was just aneasy place in a place that I felt you know most comfortable to play. Baseball,get a degree and this kind of right size. I think of the tire that I wentto Iwas eighteenserd students and it was really good academic school. Thebaseball program didn't really play he second fiddle to anybody at the time somattered to me, that's what I was looking for. So it was pretty easy tosay yeah for sure- and I know you mentioned before- you were injured aline and you transferred. So what was transferring process like and like didyou did? You have to sit out a yer when you went to Jordan, because the Roum Ididm so transfering from Clinson a chaneicy Vallu was probably one of thetoughest decisions I mad just gone from one. It was UBSISION. If I want to playbaseball, Hod ton make it. Hejust was ' nok GA play cumsing with Al Dangeresand Rehad and Whatnot Noa program like that they got to win all the time. Soyou're not healthy. You can't contribute a kind on you way. Well, butits. I, the decision to leave. You know school and a program like that to co goto junior collity, not he one that I think any athlete otposition reallyever taks ot they're Goinna have to Gat,...

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...help alot and then my trainer there,both in the wing room and I was a way room, NK, Yer, Hart and Shumble andprobably prolon my career larging in e Te ever Shoit, a damn ten oously othercoaches and coach daily. Were you know really good me on the field, but thehelp te Li kind of knew? I was special not in tha special talenttype of way, but specially n. The way that yeah can't go out there and throwa hundred palls across heinfield every day I cant take. You know three hundredswin every day, because my body just can't handle it. So you know thecombinaion of my trainers on and off the field and the coaches and my family,just admading e really easier to realize that you know to realize thetwelve year old self meed an listen, plae game cut. I love it. I realize I'mnothingto just briat the next O, because some you look at my medicalsand be like or insurance partean going to cover youso ome of the things. I think I surroundedmyself with good enough people that made the game enjoyable and maybe Taln-and I know you touch one. But what was your experience like your overallexperience, Ad Georgia playing in in being to it was the greatest ithegreatest college pound and, in my opinion- and you know around, I'm notgeing to a lot of place. A'e been a lot of football games. A lot of place. I'vebeen to a lot of you know been on a lot of campuses. I just think the energy atuniversity Georgia says that perfect size of you know, students to facultyto athletics, to night ive to o to whatever you want to. You know, bringup ther manters in college. I think Georgia had at all. I think, whenyou're playing in the SEC, you get to play good teams every single weekend.You know when you're playing mid week, Tams want to beat you when you travel,you travel nice Yourg. Is Nice h the way you treated as an athlete in theway Yourim outside the way room nutritionally? Is Nice and people lookat o you an a persecton Ma an I think as an athlete, the combination ofsocialize and athletics and education and people that care about jouneeryaspect. It's pretty tough to be N. I think that was at Georgia's e, perfectcombination. Unfortunately, then Wen as many games, s they're winning now, butI think they finally got Ti Goin in the right direction, where we're able toput all those combinations together. soundsit sounds like it was awesome,and so you make the transition now from baseball player to baseball manager,I'm an baseball agent. So what was that like? And how did that all come about?Yes, OATER, my first year, Georgia, I thought I was going to be actually sayafter my first Ar r first fall, I had a lot F, ancel steet, a lot of teams, andI was draftd eligible and I played really well. You know I looked in theirone advisor and started working with Ha Guy Ise, as a college put, you canhave an agient, but you can have an advisor where they can give you advicesKian go shaking you berhalf, but I was excited op, uccessal basebal to ourfirst year, Georgia and then second week on season an I take a swing andfeel a little bit of a crunch. On my left hand and go to the doctor andHeothe time e got up, you know bis an Injuris pobye surgery at the end of theyear, and you know a week later I take a swing into my left. Shoulder come outand go see doctor and he's like hey you Goin, to need ou K, ow, you la on Fixin,your left shoulder, and I've already had my rigt once ix three times. So Iknew the thercoery wasn't a three or four months: Ro Cove we login at eightnineten. You know, love miht t I started to kind of stink, Os Baseball's,probably not going to work out, have a hard enough time playing fifty sixgames on Lettaongan, inte, Mian League and geting over the hundred plus markso startin trime. To think we know what I wanted to do by staying in the game,but I was also in you know the business school at th university thore. So howdo I use you know all this money? My parents are spending on my educationand the fact that I'm in such a great business school to put that to use- andyou know- combination of my knowledge and baseball- my relationships inbaseball plus my interest in thes- a business side, if think you kind of Jus,worked work, ID selffountains, perfect storm, a d started working with a guyname, Keth Grinwell Totam, who I reclan still work with, and he's kind of in mymentor and he's been perfect for me in the factthat he lets me easy less. We do my own...

...thing and when he questions Meyquestions, he doesn't question my attention. He wants me to think healways wants me to learn. So he's done a very good job in challenging me, like,I said in a positive way where I'm always trying to learn. Never QuestionsAnhe, you know moves and they just I wantto know why you're doing it. Thisis why I'm doing this, we kind of work with each other really well to learnand keep building this business there for sure and what's the what's, theprocess like scouting a player and then like scouting up from Scottingham tolike talking to him and then like actually signing him right right. Soit's it's a it's a little more difficult. I think Scottin teplayerthan I originally imagine, because I had such an inside access to so manyplayers. Dont people ask me about players, s like we. I really like Hemfor this this and this because I knew them soon. A personal side N, you kindof seein their head a little bit, but I think on this side of the wall, it's alittle tough because you don't know. What's going on in the players mindright! So you know you can look at their social media. You can talk tothem. You can do whatever you want and you just never really know until you spend hours on hours andhours and days on end with them. What's going on, you don't know if, ifreligions would drive a re Drivin, it is Familyi as he play the game becausehe giltines good s play the game because he loves it as Y play the gamebecause he sees a Paycheckat Bing in the you know the tunnel, so the hardestpart for me is funny ow. What's going on side of the Kian appen Mi SI thinkit's easy to show up to a fiel and see okay, well, that kids go n, that kidhas a chance or your really like a swaing whatever it may be, but I thinkwhat really separates a lot of these professional athletes is their abilityto handle successs as well as Hande failurand. Until you know, what's goingon in a players mind you know, successfor failure is handleddifferently by every every athlete and good bat. You different an guys am outo ine success and gavs to now to handle failure. Ind Vice Versa, so youk once I figure that out, then Ithink I'll be pretty good at this whole bean asic thing. But that's that's beenthe toughest part for me. It's really figuring out what pushes some of theseplayers yeah definitely issay that that Bro, that's probably the hardest part,not easy, but we're Gonin Acoryein there in the better relationships toHav, with these guys and the more players that we have isturn oveveyea.But you had a couple and you need a couple with retiring, an injres andwhatnot your start to use those guys and those guys realize during a lockroom with other players, Tha have agents and er year, Ol the complaints,the good bat and indifferent. I like to think that a lot of them come back. Itin an you, do really good job and they want to help us- and you know when youhave guys that you work for them. Yet they want to help you and work for youa little bit and you kind of give back tat helps to give you little bit moreininside Lookin the players. Definitely and now I know it's February a itsounds weird, but it's baseball season now for college, counting right, yeah,it's whats kind of always its always baseball, Susi curos. As far asScotting, because you know t the cycle never ends with high school and SummerBall and professional all in college, whatever, maybe those guys are playingall the time, so the cycles more go for us, it's you know you're watching andschouting, and then you recruiting and you kn w some peries, maybe a littlebit more heavy with communication with teams, whereas so manyo little moreheavy with recruiting of players. But in any situation you know you're,always watching you're, always listening, you're always looking forfor godess fit and not every God fits us and we don't fit every guy. I thinkyou know our brain is a little bit different than MOS for not at we're notout to sign fifeen twenty guys per draft D. I hope that toer three of them,you know work out we're hoping to get four or five guys for drap that fit us.You know, maybe even less than that, and then hopefully those guys work out.You know we're really investing back in our players, hope that all of them work out- and you knowthat's not going to be the case, but we like to think that a forecasting alittle bit, you know anet and they on a...

...more educated group of guys, an alittle bit smaller group of guys, a Bi educated oi mean thaatal players,itselvs being educated, but just educated or Cretty process that we'regon have a hard percent of players fork down and the baseballs game of failure.But I like to think that what the information we have on guys and threelay just behal tat. You know if we get three or four guys O, hopefully getyour forgas to work out. yeahdefinitely now are you? Are you scouting, morecollenge players or more high school players Ar both? I think every seasonsmay be different. Just kind of depends on that cycle and I live in Georgiamyself. So ihave no problem going to the surrounding stay to Recrui. Youknow younger guys, but you know, if I don't feel like theclass, is that strong in e state of Georgia or the State of South Carolinaor Tennessee Alabam, whatever may be, we w go to college gas at a year ormaybe we work on a couple pro guys that are unhappy with the currentrepresentation and see you know I maybe workfit for Hem. So every everyseason's different every month is different, just kind of depends on thetalent that year and now you're in a unique position since you're youre,your brothers agents right yeah. So I work with Keith the Guy Worker KekGronelwald was representing my older brother Spencer when he was drapped outof Clemson and then started working with Carter. He was seventeen n, then Ijust kind of came in and there's a seamless transition, obviously withwith thim being family and Keith Kiths, already working with them, and I startworking for key that I let kee to some of the heavy lifting with those guys,because I know Spencer, Anan Carter Really Trust the Respectiv and he'sbeen doing this for twenty years and represented whole famers and firstonpig silver sluggers. Whatever may be kind of that perfect combination for uswere, I call the old man, but you know old and young Er. I got a very personalrelationship with lot of guys and the guys arust respecting they also haveget rlation with him, but respect himg. The fact that he's worked in thisindustry for twenty years and can seem everything so there's not a thing thatone of our players can can come across that he or myself hasan experience. So it's kind of a perfect combination for us. Yeahdefinitely- and I mean I think, it's also unique- and just to just to havethat whole family concept and then, like I, Sae youwere working out withthem and stuff like that, and even just having three brothers that were teOnerig yeah I mean it's. Parter was commutted to Clenson, obviously bet nothedid he's Takin Ias twent day t out of high school, but yeah I'm working with. Then it's ablast. It's I wouldn't even say it has trials or tibulations it'. It's alwaysfun. Olwes learning, they're, both very educated in the game of baseball andwhat the Players Association is doing. So I think they ask all the rightquestions, but I think working with family, our for family people who saythey can never work right. Inother word wit family, but we REV EV had a plassdoing it. I think they respect what I do. They know. I work extremely hardferminent and I know what they do in day and day out basis, and you knowijust tell people like Tis you, you can look for family without being relatedright. Blood makes you related, but loyalty makes you fit. So I like tothink that there's a there's a lot of guys. I work with that. You know Ibasically consider Famili the conversations we have and theexperiences we have together. You know there' stuff that you share with family,so my birs have made it very, very easy for me to work for them and I enjoyevery day tosom and what are your goals for wo Thosand Ineteen, you twony N, I like to see so of our guysge a job. You know we have. We have a coupleyounger guys who were kind of haprospes and were paid some money out the draftwho have a chance to really make a Nako themselves. I think really jump and myJMP, I don't necessarily mean levels. You know for me, Bol, big leagues orcouple ays big LEAS. I think just kind of grow as a player and really learninginstead of consolit tinkering, stuff and working with stuff, really justhoning an what you're geting an believe...

...in what they're doing, and I thinkthey'll see themselves make Tham step, and you know for us as a gree I thin Oknowwe. Can we got a couple F guys in this Drafori think ave a chance to gopretty high and virses cou continue to establish. YouKnow Our Name in our business, and you know what we do is we're doing it theright way. I think we have to the right players for us that that believe inwhat we're doing- and you know for me- just juwant O cotinue- to grow in theright area, not Grov Bo numbers but grow by Growerarie grow within. Youknow our guys that we have just keep getting better. So, for me, that's IAS,like continuocy Gross, there's, not really a the number of guys ar like tosee make the big leagues or Stayin, the big leagues or whatever, maybe justcontinue to grow and get better DIAF for sure you be ready for some funquestions. Let's go all right. So what is what's one thing that people mightnot know about you? An? I think. Most of my friends probably know everythingabout me, but I do a citizenship with another ones. I think that's the onething that nobody really knows and en always surprises people that our family,my dad, grew up in Europe and moved over the United States, and you know asa little bit older teenager, but our familyas still cititenship with aotherones, and my brothers can play with with the judge for the World BaseballClassic. So I think that's always a cool thing that people don't knownecessarily know yeah. It is cool, I think. What's the next World Base Olclassic next year, Two Thousand and twenty yeahwhat's going to the Olympic.So we all be interesting to see whathappens with the world baseball classic an the Olympics, and you know what whatthese countries decide to do, and I know if you're in the US it's prettyeasy to send the Best College. You K ow players over there and probably apretty good chance to compete, but I know that a lot of these countries,it's an extreme honor and it's extreme monor for the guys in the US play foryou, ow the national team, but hi'll be Intereste, see you with you know: MajorBaseball does and you ogev the leagues in Japan Akre and what they do withwith their players, because obviously theres there's a lot of pride inplaying for the US or the Dr or Perto Rico Japain. You know etce, so it'LD beinteresting to see what happens, but I know then whatever does happen. I canimagine pens, Ri Cardei, both wboth get a phone call from from the kingdomofthe AAn to see what's going on, never sure they ere. There were snack Li lastbaseball classic to Yeahh the last couple. Ben Teve been really good andobviously they have terso apart of the kingof Neland, so Angelson Surveris andjerks on Profil, and you have all these guys that can slid out play, definitelyw. How often do you go there? An we don't go over Tim. Unfortunately, ourgrandma, my dad's mom is't, doing tremendous, but we love it very muchand my older brother and I got a chance to go over there in Novenber Novemberand see her and kind of Walk Around and see my dad sister and Carter Gom chanceto go over in January with my dad, and we hope that we get to do it all again,the SAFL season, so we hope she's Ye gets better and we get to do that. Butwe've been over there a couple times, but it's not exactly something that wehave by ton of time for to to knock out a week or two over there. A for sure,and how about this C, give me your top five favorite baseball players, all thetime, fivener baseball players all time. Well, I think I'd be remis or wouldprobably catch some Flack II. Didn Si Spencerd Carter up there like begrowing up an growing up, welpay, a Spencer car, a ent two. You can putthem inever Ordo. You want Ta, no, no N. I nono not gondsate. You know growing up. I really lovedwatching Nomar Newor Gos, pier was always my God whan. I watche a lwaysTrie to Hanelat, but I played our number five and I love the the battinglove thing and this little preit that ritual and as I got older, I reallystarted as a start to understand. You know how difficult this game was. Ithink ther CEETER was a guy that I...

...started to really respect with how wehandled New York, especially once I got into the Cindy Street. You know Ireallyhat difficult is on athletes. I to see what der Jeter did and has done.It continues to do. Fon in off the field is as impressive as I gets. Forme. Those are those are Reali to you knowthe two guys Kenkirse Junior. I absolutely love always playe. Thisvideo game on en sixty four AI is wat: Gengraphy Junior Baseball E, O inehundred nd. Ninety eight or something like that, but Kangrisko just kind of always had thatslag and something that drew you toim had a smile. This sweet stroke playsthe game the right way, but after that tat' a I got, those guys the Cloe, thecarents I work with you know I love watching day and day out and Yeur thefactor. I knows some of these guys so well, you start to you start to reallypull for them. Not only you know, because you'Reyour Casho in a business,Hav hat, you know how much they put in you. You know on the personal side, youknow we get a couple guys like Alex Bs and Richard Lovelady Yea. I can go on and on and on aboutguys that I work with that atually. Seeing ten make so many jums and I getexcited to watching those guys, and so those guys are Bein big weeks prettysoon. So all ha, you know, the rest of our clients at an gard can ground outthe top, the top whatever I'll take it. I like that. I like thatPluk and what about, if you had a if you had tochoose one food to eat for the rest of your life every day? What would it be? The quality of Thi Sate Stak, you know forever meal andyou can make it up by Youcan over byd and STREIGTN and flay and Wago andwhatever you want so we'll go steak as e y dire, but a lot of my friends areprobb. Can I could eat buffalo chicken Kizza from Mel Mushfv, tat' Eo, O the mastros steakhouse on Arizonaor California? I think the WAN to Flord as well, but they got a butterclate.That is one of the most incredible things you could evver. You can eve putin your mouth. It's IT'S PRETTY GOOD! Yeah go back to the Buffalo ChickenPieza, so I was having a debate with my friends: Do you get it with red sauceon it or just playing like this wit, the cheese n? I don't yeah. I don'tthink. I saw that when you put that up, I don't think MEO Musson puts a sauce N.I think they do the Bufflo and ransh squirrels and that is their sauce yeah.I don't think iwould like Yot with red sauce beyond. I said the cheese DOS,the crost and in the Buffalo wor with the you know, ranch o Bleche stor, Owhatever you prefer, but you know you had me Munser, it's sother pizza. Theydo like with Onionsan and DA came Kikin ous an uoe. It's it's pretty good,pretty tough to be well. When you come up around here near Connecticut, he ovto try. We got. We got some of the best pizzas in the world, Eing Fan of ThaDay port noying. What he's doing with Terybod dos the rule oseut is di. A LOTOF PLACES UP WAND. I go up to the northeast. I'm GOINGTO have to try anddownload that happen. An go around and see if the scoree is giving are really really accurate, yeah for sure allright. Well, I appreciate you coming on and could you let the people know wherethey can follow you on Social Media Yeah? So I pretty sure I'm just traverkeep them straight up on twitter and Instagram, and I'm not sure there ismany Trevor Ky rooms out there think are. The last name is pretty unique, sohe searts Oo renly. We find one of us. If you find one of us, you find allthree of us so Itas pretty easy to find appreciate you coming on. Thank Bother.

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