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Trevor Kieboom | Average to Savage EP36

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This is the thirty-sixth episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring MLB agent Trevor Kieboom. Paul Guarino talked with Trevor Kieboom discussing his baseball family, college playing career at Clemson and Georgia, and how he became a baseball agent for Vanguard Sports. Trevor's brothers Spencer Kieboom and Carter Kieboom both play for the Washington Nationals. Follow Trevor Kieboom https://www.instagram.com/TrevorKieboom https://twitter.com/TrevorKieboom Powered by PG Sports https://www.pg-sports.com

This is the average to average podcastwith Paul Greno everyone in anyone, athletes, Soett's and much more. It's upeverybody. I'm back for another episode of the average savage podcast. Orspecial guests today is Trevor Key. Boom, trevor, I was going it's going. Man, getting ready for the season. So recal points on myown. Yeah, can you just give us a brief background about yourself?Yeah, absolutely. So I at a high school, I committed and signedwith Clemson University. was there for two years and really good chess players thatcoming off of one shoulder surgery and first of all they're had another soul shouldersurgery. Sells my second kind of into the spring trying to get back downand to get healthy from the season. Ended up having a third surgery aftergoing off to summer ball. Realize that my majority planet comes in one kindof happen. So what's Chuning to those community college and Phoenix City, Alabama, stay healthy for the whole year, which was kind of my goal.I know if I was healthy that the town and the numbers were kind ofkind of come out and speak for themselves. So I was fortunate enough to goto the JUCA world series there and play on a really good team forreally good guy on Chris Thomas, and then ended up playing at the MercyGeorgie for two years. So don't think I would have thought that I wasgoing to be a bulldog after going to Clemson, but could have been happierand enjoyed my two years of Georgia probably more than anywhere. How did youget started playing baseball? I think it's one of those things where you cangrow up, you know, and your father playing, your older brothers playingthat, even though you try other sports, you're around a baseball field more thanany other field or any other court or whatever it may be. Andhe just was one of those things were baseball was keen in our family andkind of trickle down to my younger brother as well. So it's kind ofeasy for all of us, since we had to feel all the time thatbaseball's the sport that we chose for sure. And who was a recruiting process likelike out of high school, and obviously I know your brother was alreadyat Clemson. Yeah, so it's a lot different now than I think itwas then. When I Graduate High School in Two Thousand and eleven. Itwas very common for guys to start really looking at schools, you know,your junior year and then commit, commit your junior summer going into your senioryear. And now I think if you don't have an offer of the schoolyou want by Yourselhomore your kids start panicking. But it was pretty quiet and youknow, you got the phone calls from from the schools are interested andI think it was July third or fourth was the date they could first contactyou. So you kind of center around you play. He waited for thatday to come and the phone rang. You started to put together your visitsand I want to visit Scot Tennessee and Auburn, Georgia tech and Clemson anda couple other schools, and it's truly started to narrow down from the beginning. And I knew a lot about Clemson just because my older brother was there, so I was around those guys in that coaching stuff a lot. Andyou're the more schools I visited, the more realized that that was just itan easy place, in the place that I felt most comfortable to play baseballand get a degree and it was kind of right size it to get thetime that I went things eighteenzero students and it was really good academy school.The baseball program didn't really play the second fiddled anybody at the time. Somatters and that's what I was looking for. So it was pretty easy decision.Yeah, for sure. And I know you mentioned before you were injureda line and you transferred to what was transferring process like and like did youdid you have to sit out of here when you went to Jordan, becauseit rules transferring from Clemson each other rich you value. was probably one ofthe toughest decisions I may just going from one. It was a decision ifI want to play baseball, how to make it. He just wasn't notto any play Clemson with all the injuries and Rehab and whatnot. A programlike that they got to win all the time. So it's you're not healthand can contribute a kind of your way out. But it is a decisionto leave, you know, school and a program like that to go tojunior college is not one that I think any athletes that position really ever thinksabout. They're going to have to do...

...because we all sign a letter intenseingwe're going to go. They're going to play three years contracted do our thingin pro ball, but there an up being one of the best decisions Imade. Chris Thomas Down there was was one of the best you can bearound that. I don't think that there's, you know, the guy they coulddo what he did for us. And Junior college many exacting. Juniorcollege is a place where guys are going either out of high school because they'renot fully developed yet, they don't have the opportunities of the bigger schools or, you know, maybe someone mess up, you got in trouble in high schoolor you got trouble another school. It's a second chance. For someit's a first chance or kind of an extension of the first chance for alot others just kind of develop and you know, for me I was Ididn't get in trouble. You know I was going up to go play aConson down a high schools as well as you know, situations where I needto play every day, because Thomas gave me that opportunity. We played onbeautiful field. Phoenix City in itself is probably another stories. Not much there, but we lived in a nice place and you know, we end upbeing then one of the country for most of the year and going to theworld series and then going to Georgia kind of came about an older brother toldme to look there and not the schools are recruiting out of junior college.It's a little bit different than out of high school because I think as acollege UN when you're recruiting out a junior college you're agreep for needs. Thatjust a town on a high school. They just go recruit the best playersat a junior college. It's okay, what guy do we need to comeplay right away? So maybe someone's going to get drafted at that school orthey got heard or to just band a gap in the recruiting class. SoI gont recruit all kind of all over the map, from Kansas State toOklahoma state to offer just a little bit everywhere, and I didn't really knowabout west and play with all the surgeries at that I'd actually consider just justnot playing some my older brother for me to look at University of Georgia justas a school. Just go there and if you student and enjoy actings andyou always played your whole life, go enjoy being a normal person. Sowe have a coach Stricklin. We do. Some people up the university kind ofset that up and what I wanted to do, what I wanted toget out of that meeting works. You student as system. I don't wantto have to do your the laundry and that stuff. Like most managers arejust one hit fun goes, get around the game wearing the game at thatlevel, learn under coach Stricklin and at the end of the meeting for strictingwas kind of like run, she's complete, we don't don't have a scholarship moneyfor you and we stought can get you here. Is going to takesome scholarship money, but if you're going to come here as a student,then we watch her on the team. So it's more so preferred to walkon. Yeah, except the fact that I was going to get the apportunityto play every day. I ended up playing every day. So how manyseries did you have? Just curious. So before George I had for andthen after my first year Georgia, two more at one of my wrists andone of my left shoulder. That I heard second week in the season.So ideal. But you know, it is what it is and everyone goesthrough their the bumps and birds. That's probably had a little bit more thanthe most. Yeah, how did you overcome all those like at what madeyou motivated? They keep on playing baseball? You knows? I always think aboutthat. I think one that the people around me probably made it theeasiest. You know, my mom, my dad, my younger brothers,mature beyond his years. My older brother was as supportive as anyone I couldhave asked for, my friends, the rest of my family, and Ithink I was around the right coaches to I think my trainer Clemson, TravisJohnston, was as good to me as I could ask for. Your coach, Thomas Down at at Chat Valley, and my stball coach and James Beaversat eighteens really supportive. And then when I got to Georgia, my relationshipwith Co strictly off the field, on the personal side, was as goodas anyone. I think that helped me at time. He was as goodto me, is as any man I could ask for as far as Iwas in treating me as a human being, which I don't think you get thata lot at these schools. When coaches look at it at players justsay you got to win or my job realis on eighteen point threeel twin James, and when you have a guy like course strickman, who looked at meas a human being, you know, off the field and realize that Iwas going through a lot. That helped...

...a lot. And then my trainer. They're both in the weight room and out of the Way Room, RyanK your harden and humble and probably prolonged my career longer than it ever shouldhave been. And then ourviously are the coaches and church daily where really getsme on the field, but the helped a lot. Kind of knew Iwas special, not in the special talent type of way, but specially inthe way that, hey, I can't go out through and throw fund offalls across the field every day. I can't take, you know, threehundred swings every day because my body just can't handle it. So you're thecombination of my trainers on and off the field and the coaches and my familyjust made it. Made it easier to realize that, you know, torealize the twelve year old self. For me, that was place game becauseI love it. I realize I'm not going to get a chance to rightthe next level because some of you look at my medicals and be like ourinsurance probably going to cover you so s of things. I think I surroundedmyself with good enough people that made the game enjoyable and maybe getting fun.And I know you touch on it, but what was your experience like?Your overall experience at Georgia, playing in and being tool it was the greatest. It's the greatest college town in my opinion. You know around. I'vebeen to a lot of places. have been a lot of football games ata lot of place. I've been to a lot of you've been on alot of campuses. I just think the energy at university Georgia says that perfectsize of you know, students, to faculty, to athletics, to nightlive, to food, to whatever you want to you know, bring up theirmatters in college. I think Georgia had it all. I think when you'replaying in the SEC, you get to play good teams everything the weekend.You know when you're playing mid week's teams want to beat you. When youtravel, you travel nice. You know the game is nice. The theway you treated as an athlete, in the way you roam outside, theway room nutritionally is nice and people look like, you know, care prosuctingmatter. And I think as an athlete, the combination of social life and athleticsand education and people that care about you in every aspect it's pretty toughto be and I think that was at Georgia was the perfect combination. Unfortunately, didn't win as many games they're winning now, but I think they finallygot to go in the right direct question were able to put all those combinationstogether. Yeah, it sounds it sounds like it was awesome. And soyou make the transition now from baseball player to baseball manager, I mean baseballagent. So what was that like and how did that all come about?Yes, I you know, my first year Georgia, I thought I wasgoing to be a say at my first sure, part first fall I hada lot of interest from a lot of teams and I was draft eligible andI played really well. You know what, I looked into hiring an advisor andstarted working with the guy, obviously as a college but you can havean Asian, but you can have an advisor where they can use you.Advices can go shaking your behalf. But I was excited. I'll pay specialbaseball to our first year Georgia and then second we can season. I takea swing and feel, you know, a little bit of a country myleft hand and go to the doctor and the time I got to you know, bears an injuries, probably in the surgery at the end of the year. And you know, a week later I take a swing and to myleft shoulder, come out and go see doctor and he's like hey, you'regoing to need your label fixing your left shoulder. And I've already had myright one six three times. So I knew the recovery wasn't a three orfour months or cover. We're looking at eight, nine, ten, youknow, eleven months. I started to kind of think of baseball. It'sprobably not going to work out. I have hard enough time thank fifty sixgames, let alone can in the minor leagues and get no hunter plus mark. So sorry, kind of think we know what I wanted to do bysaying in the game. But I was also in the business school's University George. So how do I use, you know, all this money of myparents are spending on my education and the fact that I'm in such a greatbusy in the school to put that to use? And you know, thecombination of my knowledge and baseball and my relationships and baseball, plus my interestin is a business side of things kind of worked worked it self outains perfectstorm. I started working with the guy named Keep Greenwald at the time,who I clay, still work with, and he's kind of been my mentorand he's been perfect for me and the fact that he lets me Le's,we do my own thing and when he...

...questions me questions, he doesn't questionmy intentions. He wants me to think. He always wants me to learn.So he's done a very good job in challenging me, like said,in a positive way where I'm always trying to learn and never questions any movesthat makes just hey, I don't know why you're doing it, this iswhy I'm doing this, and kind of work with each other really well tolearn and keep building this business. There for sure. And what's what's theprocess like scouting a player and then like scouting it from scouting him to liketalking to him and then like actually signing him, right, right. Soit's it's a it's a little more difficult, I think, scouting the player thanI originally imagine because I had such an inside access to so many playerswhen people ask me about players. Look, I really like the for this,this and this, because I knew them so well on a personal sideand you kind of seeing their head a little bit. But I think onthis side of the wall it's a little tough because you don't know what's goingon in a player's mind right. So you know you can look at theirsocial media, you can talk to them, you can do it or who youwant, and you just never really know until you spend hours on hourson hours and days on end with them what's going on. You don't knowif if religions with drive, with drives and it is family is as youplay the game because he get he's good as play the game because he lovesit. It's played the game because he sees a paycheck at being in the, you know, the tunnel. So the hardest part for me it's findingout what's going on inside of the K and athletes mink. So I thinkit's easy to show up to a field and see, okay, well,that kids good, that kid has a chance, or they really like aswing, whatever it may be. But I think what really separates along theseprofessional athletes is their ability to handle successes as well as handle failure and untilyou know what's going on in a players mind, you know successful failure.It is handled differently by every every athlete and good bad difference. Guys.I'm out of Handy success and got to know to handle failure and vice versa. So you know, once I figured that out, then I think I'llbe pretty good at this whole for your music thing, but that's that's inthe toughest part for me is it's really figuring out what pushes some of theseplayers. Definitely say that would that probably that's probably the hardest part. IsNot easy, but we're getting that. We're getting in the better relationships tohave with these guys and the more players that we have as turnover every year, which you had a couple and you lose a couple with retiring and injuriesor not, when you start to use those guys and those guys realize duringa locker room with other players that have agents and the year on the complans, the good battening different, I like to think that a lot ofthem come back like a man. You do a really good job and theywant to help us. You know when you have guys that you work forthem yet they want to help you and work for you a little bit andkind of give back. It helps to give you a little bit more ofan inside looking the players. Yeah, definitely. And now, I knowit's February and it sounds weird, but it's baseball season now for college scoutingright. Yeah, it's what's kind of always. It's always baseball season forus as far as scouting, because you are the the cycle never ends withhigh school and Summer Ball and professional ball in college or whatever. Maybe thoseguys are playing all the time. So the cycles more go for us it'syou know, you're watching and scouting and then you recruiting and some peris maybea little bit more heavy with communication with teams, whereas so maybe you littlemore heavy with recruiting of players. But in any situation, you know you'realways watching, you're always listening and you're always looking for for guy that fitsyou. And not every guy fits us and we don't fit every guy.I think you know our brand is a little bit different than most. We'renot out, we're not out to sign one thousand, five hundred and twentyguys per draft and hope that two or three of them work out. We'rehoping to get four or five guys for draft that fit us, you know, maybe even less than that, and hopefully those guys work out. Youknow, we're really investing back in our players. Hope that all of themwork out, and you know that's not going to be the case, butwe like to think that if we're casting...

...a little bit, you know,an Nett on, they on a more educated group of guys and a littlebit smaller group of guys, and by educated every mean that actual players themselvesbeing educated, but just educated in our recruiting process guys. We're gonna haveour percentage of players work out, and a baseball it's a game of failure. But I like to think that with the information we have on guys andthree issues we have, that if we get three or four guys, wecan hopefully get three or four guys to work out. Yeah, definitely.Now are you are you scouting more college players? Are More high school players? Are Both? I think it's every season's going to be different. Justkind of depends on that cycle. And I lived in Georgia myself, soI have no problem going to the trounding states to recruit younger guys, butyou know, if I don't feel like the class is that strong and thestate of Georgia or the State of South Caroline or Tennessee again whatever. Maybewe go to college guys a year or maybe we work on a couple proguys that are unhappy with the current representation and see, you know, ifmaybe work it for him. So every every season's different, every month isdifferent. Just kind of depends on the the talent that year. And nowyou're in a unique position since you're here your brother's agents right. Yes,I work with Keith, the Guy Worker, key coroner old was representing my olderbrother, yeah, Spencer, when he was drafted out of Clemson,and then started working with Carter he was seventeen and I just kind of camein and there's a seamless transition, obviously, with them being family and Keith,Keith already working with them and I start work for Keith that I likeKeith do some of the heavy lifting with those guys because I know spensering andCarter really trust and respect him. If he's been doing this for twenty yearsand represented hall of Famers and First Hump Page silver sluggers, whatever, maybecomes that perfect combination for us where I called the old man, but youknow, old and young were. I got a very personal relationship a lotof guys and yeah, the guys were respect him. They also have veryrelationship with him, but respect him in the fact that he's worked in thisindustry for twenty years and seem everything. So there's not a thing that oneof our players can can come across that he or myself has an experience.So it's kind of a perfect combination for us. Yeah, definitely, andI mean I think it's also unique in just to just to have that wholefamily concept and then, like I see, you were working out with them andstuff like that, and even just having three brothers that were d oneright. Yeah, I mean it's Carter was committed to Conson. Obviously thatnot he didn't even go. Those who's taking the twenty s banking out ofhigh school. But yeah, working with them it's a blast. It's wouldn'teven say it has trials or tribulations, it's it's always fun or always learning. They're both very educated in the game of baseball and what the Players Associationis doing. So I think they're asked all the right questions, but Ithink working with fam where in your for family, like people would say thatcan never work right and never work with family right. We've had a plasteringit. I think they respect what I do. They know I work extremelyhard for them and I know what they do in the day and day outbasis. And you know, I just tell people like you can work forfamily without being related. Right, blood makes you related, but loyalty makesyou fit. So I like to think that there's a there's a lot ofguys I work with that, you know, I basically consider family, the conversationswe have and the experiences we have together. You know, there's stuffthat you share with family. So my brothers have made it very, veryeasy for me to work for them and I enjoy every day. It's awesome. And what are your goals for Twenty nineteen twenty? I like to seesome of our guys make a jump. You know, I we have acouple of younger guys who were kind of high prospects and will paid some moneyout of the draft, who had the chance to really make a name forthemselves and I think really jump, and my jump I don't necessarily mean levels. You know from a ball big leagues or couple as the big leaves.I think just kind of grow as a player and really learn and, insteadof constantly tinkering with stuff and working with stuff, really just gone in andwhat they're doing and believe in what they're...

...doing, and I think they'll seethemselves make that step. And you know, for us as a group, Ithink we can add to we get a couple guys in this draft,I think of a chance to go pretty high and press continue to establish,you know, Our Name and our business and you know what we do isthe we're doing is the right way. I think we have the right playersfor us that that believe what we're doing. And you know, for me justwant to continue to grow in the right areas, that grow by numbers, but grow by their grow organically, grow within. You know, ourguys that we have just keep getting better. So for me that's as like tocontinue to see gross there's not really a number of guys I'd like tosee make the big leagues or stay in the Big Leagues or whatever it maybe. Just continue to grow and get better. There for sure. Youready for some fun questions? Let's go. All Right, so what? What'sone thing that people might not know about you. I think most ofmy friends probably know everything about me, but dual citizenship with the motherlands.I think that's the one thing that nobody really knows and always surprises people thatour family my day grew up in Europe and moved over the United States andas a little bit older teenager, but our family still citizenship with the Netherlandsand my brothers can play with what the Dodge for the world baseball classics?I think that's always a cool thing that people don't know necessarily now. Yeah, this school. I think. What's the next World Baseball Classic? Nextyear? Two Thousand and twenty? Yeah, what's going to the Olympics? Sowe all be interesting to see what happens with the world baseball classic.Can the Olympics and what what these countries decide to do. And I knowif you're in the US it's pretty easy to send the best college players overthere and probably a pretty good chance to compete. But I know that alot of these countries it's an extreme honor and it's extreme monitor for the guysin the US play for, you know, the national team, but the mein you see with you know what Major League Baseball does, and youknow the leagues in Japan and Korea and what they do with what their players, because obviously there's there's a lot of pride in playing for the US orthe DR or Puerto Rico, Japain, you know, etc. So itwould be in student to see what happens. But I know that whatever does happen, I can imagine Spencer and Carter will both will both get a phonecall from from the Kingdom of the Netherlands to see what's going on. Yeah, for sure they were. They were snack last baseball classic too. Yeah, black couple. They've been really good and obviously they have cure style.It's a part of the Kingdom of Netherlands. So Angelton Simmons and Jerks and profileand you have all these guys that can slide out play. Definitely.How often do you go there? We don't go over a ton. Unfortunatelyour grandma, my dad's mom, isn't doing tremendous but we love them verymuch and my older brother and I got a chance to go over there inNovember. November and see her and kind of walk around and see my dad, sister and Carter got a chance to go over in January with my dadand we hope that we get to do it all again this off season.So we hope she's she gets better and we get to do that. Butwe've been over there a couple times, but it's not exactly something that wehave a ton of time for. The knock out. A week or twoover there? Yeah, for sure. And how about this? Could giveme your top five favorite baseball players all time? Top five favorite baseball playersof all time on well, I think I'd be remissed or I would probablycut U Some flack by didn't Act Spencer and Carter up there. But we'regrowing up, growing up. Will play with Spencer and Carter at one andtwo. You can put them whenever. Or do you want to know?I know what I don't know. I'm not going to do. I'm notgoing to designate one's one and one two. But you know, growing up arereally loved watching no more, no more guards. Part was always mygun, more wash and always try to Endu late when I played or numberfive, and I love the the batting love thing and his little pree,that ritual. And as I got older I really started to as a startto understand you know how difficult this game was. I think Derek jeter wasa guy that I start to really respect...

...with how he handled New York socialto go into this industry. You know, I really have difficult is on theseathletes into see what Derek jeter did and has done and continues to doon and off the field is as impressive as it gets for me. Thoseare those are really too the you know, the two guys, Ken Griffey Jr. I absolutely loved always playing this video game on en sixty four,I think it was. What can griffey? Junior baseballer, darings ninety eight orsomething like that, but can griff he's kind of always had that slagand something that drew YouTube, had a smile, that sweet stroke, playthe game the right way. But after that that's it. I got thoseguys and the the clients at work with. You know, I love watching dayand a, day out and year. The fact that I know some ofthese guys so well, you start to start to really pull for them, not only you know because you're you're cash them in a business have,but you know how much they put in you. You know, on thepersonal side, you know we had a couple guys like Alex be's and RichardLovelady. You know, I can go on and on and on about guysthat I work with that I've seen them make so many jumps and I getexcited to watching those guys. And so those guys are in the big leakspretty soon. So I'll that the rest of our clients that at the guardcan round out the top, the top, whatever. I'll tell you like that. I like that plug. And what about if you had a ifyou had to choose one food to eat for the rest of your life everyday, what would it be? If the quality of this food and bea steak. I can eat a good steak, you know, for everymeal and you can mix it up right. You can go overyboy and Strip andflat and the wagon and whatever you want. So we'll go steak atthe Junaeric, but a lot of our friends are probably and I could eatbuffalo chicken pizza from Mel Mushroom for ever for every meal. That's that sealsit for me. I don't he about the mastros Steak House on Arizona orCalifornia. I think you want to float as well, but they got abetter cake. That is one of the most incredible things you could ever neverput in your mouth. It's it's pretty good. Yeah, you going backto the Buffalo Chicken Pizza. So I was having a debate with my friends. Do you get it with red sauce on it or just playing like thisat the cheese and I don't yeah, I don't think I saw that whenyou put that up, but I don't think me mushroom puts a sauce on. I think they give the buffalo and ranch swirls and that is their sauce. Yeah, I don't think I would like it with red sauce, behonest. I and then cheese, the the crust and the Buffalo Swirl withthe you know, ranch and blue cheese or whatever you prefer. But youknow your had mel mushroom. It's so they're can say they do like withonions and day game and kicking outs and Buffalo ranch. It's it's pretty getting, pretty tough to be well when you come up around here in Eric Connecticut, you have to try. We got we got some of the best pizzasin the world. You a fan of the day Portoy and what he's doingwith he knows the rules, so a lot of places up. When Igo to the northeast. I'm going to have to try download that happened.You go around and see if the scores is giving are really, really accurate? Yeah, for sure. All right. Well, I appreciate you coming on. And could you let the people know where they could follow you onsocial media? Yeah, so I'm pretty sure. I'm just trevor. Keepthem straight up on twitter and INSTAGRAM and I'm not sure there's many trevor cubombsout there and think are the last name is pretty unique. So he searchsto really or find one of us. If you find one of us,you find all three of us, so it's pretty easy to find. Allright, appreciate you coming on. Thanks for the.

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