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Zack Short | Average to Savage EP87

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This is the eighty-seventh episode of the Average to Savage podcast featuring Chicago Cubs prospect Zack Short. Paul Guarino talked with Zack Short discussing his time at Sacred Heart University, getting drafted by the Chicago Cubs, and his journey in the minor league pursing his big league dreams. Follow Zack Short https://www.instagram.com/zshort_4/ Podcast interview with Zack Short originally recorded March 5, 2020

This is the average to savage podcast with Baull Greno everyone in anyone, athletes sets and much more. It's up. Everybody. On back for another episode the average savage podcast. Or special guests. Today Chico comes, prospect Zack Short, Zach, how's going? What's going on? Man, how are you? Thanks for having me. Appreciate you coming on our doll it just got to say mean, Zach ar both went to school together, say her university, repping the small d one schools and years. Baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're yeah, they're hot right now too. Also sports. My friend is actually a better you know, like whatever, and he's told me that they were. I mean, I check in once in a while, but I have them checking to do their hot. You got to get on on them. Yeah, for sure. I don't know if you wins. When's the last time you've been back? I went back this offseason. I usually try to go back a few times. They all season. I'm pretty close with a bunch of the coaches. Still a few guys that when I got drafted they were freshmen and the rest of my class was still there. I went back a bunch, so I know a bunch of them. So I like going back just to even talk to him about where the game's going and everything. Try to give my two cents, and I mean we're all trying to learn anyway. So if they have something good, I would like to pick their brains and kind of vice versa. Yeah, for sure. Definitely a lot of new buildings right, righting, so through that place. Crazy now we're were you were freshman two thousand and thirteen. Okay, yeah, so what was I so I was a senior when you were a freshman. Yeah, I think that was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then, yeah, yeah, they gotta get it. They got to get a baseball field next. I know, I don't know what to deal is Bobby v Baseball. It doesn't really make sense. I know, the stuff in the works. It's just so complicated. I mean it's frustrating, though, but for sure. All right, let's go back in time a little bit. How'd you get involved playing baseball? I mean for as long as I was, I mean I can remember I which had a you know, just a bat and a ball in my hand, no matter what. You know, just wherever I went I was playing baseball at somebody else, finding a way. You know, even my dad's softball games that he played and I would always try to make people throw to me during the game when they weren't hitting or anything like that, and then she's trying to grew. You know, it's just something that I've loved forever and I love to keep learning about it. It's it's interesting where the Games going today and I mean it's it's cool to look back on where you came from, you know, like, like you said, a small dnet school, and I mean just fell in love with it coming out of high school. What was your recruiting process like? And did like you you played like a you right, yeah, I mean high school it kind of sucked. I was a hundred forty pounds, I mean soaking wet. I was really skinning a I had a lot of skills. I mean I obviously couldn't have for power at that that wait, but you know, I'm I was very fortunate enough that coach g when I was there, recruited me. He saw the athlete in me. I mean it was tough. I didn't have the greatest of grades either coming out of high school. I'm not saying I was. I mean I had low s, but I could have done better and that's probably a big regret that I had looking back. As I ever talked to kids, that's always what I say is, you know, like get the homework done, do whatever it has to do to get done. I mean, in reality it's really not that hard what you're doing. Obviously it's Hind Sights two thousand and twenty, but you know. And then, I mean I had a few few schools. Sacred Hall. It was actually my only offer after my junior year and they gave me an offer which I was very fortunate enough to have and ran with it. That was crazy that those are only do one offer. That was my only offer. It was between fair field and sacred heart and fair field said they're ben offer on a certain date. Sacred Heart gave me a deadline on that date and I asked if I could give it one more day and took her heart actually bumped my the offer up and fair...

...field actually never called. They were supposed to and they called the next day and I told him I already committed a sacred heart. So it was kind of it was kind of a shitty feeling, but I mean obviously in hindsight it really worked out. It's crazy and yeah, you got to play Fairfield, right. Yeah, every year and the coach always said that he regretted it, but I mean, I mean it worked out for both of us. PUTS. Well, what was that? What was that first game like playing against herfield where you like kind of side? Mean it was all right. I mean I understood where they're coming from, you know, like I like I said, I was a hundred forty pounds. was kind of tough for someone to bite on me, but it is what it is, you know. And that's kind of where I've been my whole life. You know, I've been a small guy, kind of always been doubted and I've worked my way to where I am now. It was kind of with that ship on my shoulder just I mean from any level when I was young to where I am now. I'm kind of always getting you know, not written off, but you know, kind of overlooked a little bit being the size I am. But it's just adds tools to the fire, I guess. Yeah, definitely. And what was your freshman year like at sick car? Did you have to beat out anybody for the shortstop position? No, freshman year was kind of awesome. Me and Ted Shaw were with two infielders that were coming in kind of walked into a perfect situation. Second in base and shortstop. We're open from the year before and it was just, I mean a battle of who was going to play where. And you know I mean, I mean right in the fall we kind of had our positions set. I mean we both worked out at both positions. That's a second short but I mean never really really had to compete too much. It kind of just fell. You know, we actually freshman year we opened up with two lane and I think the first game we won and we turned some sick double plays like late in the game, and then coach g at the end of like when we're getting shower and everything was the heat put up to Ted and I and said Hey, I think we're going to move you guys tomorrow just to get more looks, and me and Ted were just like no, absolutely not. And ever since, I mean that day, I played every game at short stop. And then and going going into your sophomore year, I know you guys won the championship. So what was that championship run like? That was awesome because we were I think we started the year one hundred and eleven, and I mean we went on an awesome run. Brian. That year was really good. We actually played we played wagner in the first round. We were down one nothing in the ninth inning. Ended up coming back and winning that game and then we went to a game seven, or I mean game four or five, whatever it is, but I mean sudden death game against briant. Had to come back in that game too, and I mean it was just it was awesome, just that. You couldn't have scripted that year any better. You know, it's kind of like a movie, like the underdogs, you know, finding a way to do it, and that's that's kind of what we went through. Every year. We were the under dogs in the northeast. Actually, if I recall, right, two thousand and fourteen, you guys lost in the championship, right, yeah, we lost it, Brian. Yep. And then you beat them. Phone, yeah, that's good, and we be m yeah, it was cut. They were always a team to pay. So it just made it that much better. Yeah, yeah, I remember. Yet every year they were stacked. Oh yeah, every and they still are. And then, yeah, going into your junior year, after your stat season, what was your decision to go into the draft, and was it hard to leave early. So my junior year I sucked like I mean, I don't know what it was going through. I mean I was over analyzing absolutely everything, you know. I mean it was just like it just couldn't get out of a slump and honestly, I haven't really felt the same sense then, which is really weird. But yeah, I mean I struggled all year and the clubs were kind of the first team that I really talked to in the summer before when I played in the Cape Cod League. They were really interested and they were the team that kind of stuck by me when I was struggling. They saw it past the year and I mean it was really tough to leave because I you know, I we pictured us be getting draft a little bit earlier and, you...

...know, the call and really never came on the third day, which just kept thinking, you know, they kept going drafted, like the rounds just kept going like flying by and I mean I had my boys there and it was really tough to leave. But in the end of the day, you know, I was playing, obviously to get a degree and everything, but you know, I wanted to continue my dream and you never know what happens. So I kind of just ran with it, you know, like I said that it was awesome. At the same time was really stressful, but I mean it was just awesome how the way it worked out. What was it like playing for coach j? He was the best. He he was so ahead of the game in some some aspects, you know, like he's huge and like the mental game, of the mental part of the game. You know, we had meditation every Thursday before Friday game and you know, we all thought it was stupid at the time and the cubs, right when I first get here, they talked about how how big the mental game is. You know, the mental program the Mental Skills Program here is huge and you know, looking back at it, you're just like wow, like Gen knew it all, you know, and he recruited athletes who played all over the place and he was just one of the kinds he was. He got the best out of everybody one way or another. That's that's crazy. Ever Show you guys a super bowl ring? Oh yeah, every year we had a winter camp like four weeks before we left and the camp always ended on Super Bowl Sunday. Was One day a week, Sunday nights, and I always end up superol Sunday and he always Gore his rings that day. So we I saw it three years and it's so sick just to hear the stories about it. Yeah, actually, I interviewed them for my Grad School project and it was cool because, like, you never you never really talked to me about it. So it was like doped out right. You would never know either, which it did. Yeah, I even, because I lived all the football kids and I told us, like he was in the NFL, he played on the Super Bowl. They're like what, like why? Didn't like, like why aren't you go talk? I told him so I was like, why don't you go talk to the football team like that be dope for them. Yeah, he, I mean, he, he just, like I said, he was ahead of the game in some aspects and he was just he was the best. I'm Miss Planning for him so much as he has. He went into your minor league games. Yeah, he came in two thousand and seventeen. We were down in North Carolina somewhere and he came and it was kind of brought some tears my eyes just to see how how hard we both works. For me to get there. You know, he saw, he saw something in a hundred forty pounds, freshman start every game freshman year, and I mean he just believed in me and it was really which is awesome to see that after, you know, hundreds of other schools kind of wrote me off for one reason or another. Yeah, it's so crazy because I didn't even know that right. Yeah, I mean, he's he's the best. What was your first Minor League Baseball game like? It was weird. I mean, being an infielder, there's not many guys who speak English for the most part, and then, especially in rookie ball, to which is the lowest level where you start out. I mean I was literally minority. Literally, I don't think anybody on the field but me and one other guy who got drafted the same time. I mean everybody starts at a different time. When we first get drafted, like your physical happens, is at a different time. I mean, it's whatever, but you know, at the time I was legit me the only guy who spoke any sort of English on the field and it was just it's kind of a culture shock. At the same time it was if you realize where you were and who you're playing with. This was really cool. You gotta you guys just had a speak baseball right exactly. You know, one way or another figure it out, and we actually cleared bench is my first or second game and it was just like all right, well, this is it, you know, and it was is pretty cool. And then, yeah, you going out through through the years, are going into your fifth season, which is crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. So what's a journey been like? Just going you you start, you I mean you literally been at every level. So what's that been there? It's a grind, man. You know, you're playing a hundred forty games every year and you know, like I...

...said, I've I've been in spring training year down in Arizona and you know, I've been here since February ninth and you know, I got said this is so much going on and minor league season doesn't start for another month, you know, and it's just like you do all this prap all offseason for, you know, a hundred forty games, but then you're working out for literally the whole year, you know what I mean, and it's a grind on your body and mentally. You go through so many ups and downs, just like any other sport, except and baseball. It's you're the you're one of the only sports that you play every day, you know. So it's you got to either if you had a good or bad game. You can't dwell on it because you had you ready for the next day. And I mean if you let it snowball, little snowball quick before you realize it's yeah, and then people people for that don't know. I tell me what the travel is like in the minor leagues versus Versus College. Yeah, travel sucks. So and short season they carry, I think the roster is allowed. I think like ten or so more guys, and I mean you're traveling anywhere from five to ten hours on a regular bus, not a school bus, with coach bus. I mean there's guys sleeping on the floor, there's it's terrible. It's honestly terrible. And then you know in Apaa you fly and yeah, it sounds better, but your you have to get like the first flight that is offered. So I mean you guys have a three o'clock or three hundred and thirty bus from the hotel of the airport and then you play you that night. So say we're flying from round rock Texas at six AM. You have a game back in Iowa at seven. So you're landing around noon or so, you get back to your apartment by one, take a three hour nap and you go to the fields and just ready to go. You're kind of running on fumes and that really takes a toll on your body. You know, guys, you know, yeah, yeah, you're playing in front of fans because like yeah, but you don't understand what we did you get there. You know well, what the flight and bus ride we did to play a games. Yeah, I mean I think fans definitely don't get that. Even at the professional, like at the major league level, like it. So it's still grind like to fly everywhere to screen hundred percent. It might be a little bit either. He's during the bigs, because you fly charter and everything, but still and you're still getting into some cities and three or four times warning. It's play right, crazy, right. And then what was it like? I know a couple seasons you got called up like during the season. So what was that like? In like how did they promote you? Basically, like what how they tell you. Yeah, so in two thousand and seventeen I got moved up from low way to hia and in low way. I mean I was hitting like to seventy five the whole year and I hit a month, I think in July or June, where I literally hit a hundred, and I mean I couldn't hit water if I felt a boat, it was so bad. And they called me to the office, and I mean on the way to the office I thought I was again sent down and they actually told me I was going up and I was going to Myrtle beach where team was, and it was awesome because you kind of got like a fresh start and again, you know, it's just another person who bleeds in you, a few people who bleeds in you and just kind of gives you that that kick in the butt to keep going. Then I know last year you broke your hand or something. Yeah, I got hit by a pitch on the sixth game of the year and trible last year and then I missed three months and kind of I got back and I was nowhere near the same, you know, just mentally or physically, and it was looking back at it, I'm kind of not thankful, but thankful it happened. You know, if I had to go through something like this again, I kind of know how to deal with a little bit better. I think. You know, it's just it's it really is. They got punched. You know, you you're on top of the world one day and the next pitch you know you're I mean, I'm thankful. That was only three months, you know, and it's just something that you don't picture ever happening and when it does, you kind of you know what, kind of see what you're kind of made of. You know, did you start at double a or triple a last year? No, I started broken APAA,...

...broken Tria, got hurt, miss three months, went to double a for five games just to get acclimated again, and then went back to triple A. struggled, got sent down the double a for I mean they told me it was for because we had some big league guys rehabbing and they want to get no more bees. And when they went backed up, I went back up for the playoffs and a little bit more of the regular season and then went to the fall league this year, which was awesome as well. Got It. What's yeah, what's that just been like? Even just moving, like moving, like living in different places. Yeah, I mean that's part of, again, the the minor Leagu grind that people don't really understand. There's some guys who I mean, and a two bedroom apartment those sleep six guys. You know, they'll have three or four guys in the living room on air matches and everything, just to make ends with them the payments that we're getting. And you know, I mean there's some seniors who signed out a high school for a thousand dollars, you know, and that's the money they have. You know that you making whatever you are to every two weeks, and I mean it's Shitty, man, it's but I mean again, you know, you be kind of played for for the love of the game and for hopefully that big paycheck you get one day, definitely. And then, I know you're in the spring training right now, well, with the cubs. So what's happened? Like it's been awesome being in big Lee camp right now. You you really see all the guys you know, like the Chris Bryant S, Anthony Rizzo, the hobby byas is to you know how they work. You know it's they get there whatever time and you can kind of just watch how the pros pro how the how they go about their work and become great. You know, it's it's no secret. You know, if you work your ass off, the odds are they're in your favor that you're going to succeed at whatever you're doing. And that's what they do day in and day out for a hundred, sixty two plus games a year, as they're been any any of the clubs that taking you under their wing and trying to teach you new stuff. Yeah, and have last year. He he was sent down to start the year for a little bit and triple a and we got really close. He's been awesome to me. I've reached out to him multiple times about the swing, just about wife, you know, and he's always been there. He's I can't say nothing nice things about him. I mean anybody really you talk to in camp will always talk back to you. Obviously they're humans and I mean you can have a question about everything and you know they'll do their best to answer. But he and half definitely has been huge for me. Yeah, what about like the new technology? Would just like learning about like hitting in just like the saber metrics and anti looks like you think that helps you or you like old school? No, I'm definitely new school. I kind of get myself in trouble sometimes though too, you know, like new school is, you know, get the ball in the air and do damage, and I've kind of taken that to too far and extend sometimes, and it's I kind of like with the Games going. You know, there's I mean obviously there's a lot of technology, like you said, but it's at the same time it takes out, you know, I don't know how to explain it, but I see kind of both sides to it. You know. I, like I said, I'd like to technology, at the same time it takes, you know, the kind of the team camaraderie out of it. You know, they don't have those older guys who keep the team together sometimes, you know, like all the technologies leads to the Astros and the dodgers. But you know, if you look at the nationals this year, they had how he Kendrick, you know, and Adam and leading these young guys the world series. You know like how much fun they have and you know, technology you can't measure that. But I mean, at the same time, the technology that we use today, it does hope you win games in the long run, but you know that the team aspect of it, in the leadership, that can't be measured by technology. Yeah, I got I'm hoping that the UMPIRES are don't become robots, right. Yeah, we had that at one field this year in the fall league and you know, it's it's good at all, but at the same time it just takes the human element out of the game and it's not a small it really isn't. So you're telling me the a there was there no umpire like you on the plate. No, there was.

They kind of have like an air pod in and they said they had like a serie voice. If you could the if you click, this strikes stone. That's aid striker ball. And I mean I'm I'm stubborn where I know if it's a striker ball if I'm gonna let the umpire know sometimes and it helps for me if, you know, if I know the balls off the plate, I can kind of trust in the track man, what they call it. But I mean the up and down is kind of tough, you know, like those big slow curveballs that bounce. They could clip the bottom of the strike zone, you know, according to the computer, whatever it is. But it was interesting to see, you know, and it's kind of like you look back at the umpire like dude, that's not me, I didn't call that, it's a computer. That's crazy. Yeah, and what are your goals for two thousand and twenty season? Um, just become a better, you know, person and a player in the game. You know, never stop learning, going day in and day out, and just enjoy every moment that you can. You know, in there's thousands of people, hundreds of millions of people, who would kill me in my shoes and you know, I there's sometimes where, you know, you kind of take it for granted and you want to pitch yourself like, dude, like think about where you were twenty years ago, like this is what you want to dream to be doing. You know you want to be I'm knocking on the door to the big leagues and you know, I just I don't really have specific goals, but it's just play every day hard and just, like I said, never stop learning and just get better each and every day. What advice would you give to a young player either trying to get like a division one scholarship or trying to go pro? You know, like I said, definitely do your homework first. You know, you don't want yourself closing doors like I did from schools that just can't get into the school. But what I can say is, you know, put the video games down, get outside and just play man, get better, find a way to get better and don't let anybody tell you know. That's what I got. Has any of the other sacred heart baseball lum that were in the minors like reach out to or like or try scribner? He made the majors. Yeah, it's rush. Yeah, SCRIBB and I talk once in a while. I haven't talked at a while, but I mean I talked to a chasing folly. He was with the Tigers. Right now we talk every day, just in a group message, and he's getting ready to go to and I think you'll have a huge year as well. What about a John Murphy? Yes, actually actually had breakfast with him last week. He was out and they were playing. He's at Boston College, and we had breakfast. He's playing. They were playing Asu and actually Alex Treza was a coach when I was a freshman at school and we were really close and he was there too. He's also at Boston College. So we had a nice, nice breakfast. It was pretty cool just to chop it up again. Parents. NOPE, small world, you know. Yeah, right. Are you ready for some fun questions? You're going to go from average to savage. Yeah, let's do it. What's your favorite city that you played in or visited so far? WHO FAVORITE CITY? I would tacoma and Washington was awesome. Just I've never really been out there before. I went to Nashville this year was awesome. I'm not really off in a country guy either, but the vibes they had there was so sick. I would say last year those two were awesome. What's your favorite Song Right now? Right now, what's your nextually? What's your walk up song going to be? This year I'm thinking either had a control by mob deep remix with fifty cent or part of the city by Jay Z. Jay z's my guy, so I always try to keep in New York guys. My my walk up by sure, I had why by Jada Kiss. I like that. Yeah, well, right now, I don't know. Right now I really have a WHO actually, you know, I think it came to my city by a bookie. Might be it all right? What do you like to do in your downtime? I love the golf,...

...especially out in Arizona. There's so many courses it's tough now, obviously, with games and everything going on, but golf is definitely my number one and if I can just go shoot around on a basketball whoop, like the hotel I'm staying right now as a court and I go a few times a week just to shoot and just, you know, do something other than baseball give my mind off of it. Yeah, definitely. And if you weren't a pro baseball player, what do you think you'd be doing? Um, I wanted to go to school to be an athletic director, so I'm assuming I would try to have gone somewhere with that. Other than that, probably somewhere coaching for sure. All right, so I only did this one other time, so let's let's reverse the interview and you ask me any question you want. All right. Huh, how did you end up getting into the you know, marketing yourself and having your own clothing line everything? How did you get it so big to where your brand is now? Well, I act, I mean I started in two thousand and eleven. I was sitting at my sitting at my house for I think it was in between between freshman year of Sophomore years. I started a twitter page, just like tweet about sports and then, you know, I went to from the clothing to there and then the media, then the blogging and then now I'm going into the sports marketing. So that's a very short story about it. So you did when you were in college, though. Yeah, yeah, so I was. That's crazy. It's as night kind of like you said, ten so quick. Yeah, you know, like I funny story. Like freshman year I was like Yo, I want to be like Mark Zuckerburd and like I was like staying up late trying to think idea so I can like drop out of college. All right, like literally, I was, like I was chilling and seeing like with my computer three am, like yeah, I gotta, I gotta drop out, like I want to drop out and be successful, forget college. Ye, if I was going to college right now, I probably want to went to college, if that makes sense, if I was a senior and if I was a senior in high school. soone. Yeah, all right, that's what I know. It happens more often than you said. That we all think, you know, because the norm is like, Oh, you got to go to college, do whatever, but there's so many people who you know, who are so motivated and then don't kind of need that kind of thing. You know. Yeah, it's like, and I know like, I know so, like pretty much a majority of my friends are in student debt and it's just like go to your work. Exactly. You're just working to pay off your debt, which which you didn't really need to add, right, you could probably just got that job anyways. All right, exactly. So I got one more then. So, what would you tell somebody you know, younger or sitting in their freshman dorm room? What would you tell them? How you got there? Like, well, well, the advice would you give them? HMM, if they're a freshman in college? Well, I would say. So what I've been telling the people if they're picking if they want to go to college, I say, if you're going to good scholarship, then sure, go for it. If you're if it's really like if it's cheap, you're not going to, if you're not going to put yourself in like a hundred K or plus. Basically, I definitely I'd still go to college and, like, it's kind of Cliche, but I would say you kind of should know what you want to do, even though you might be trying to find yourself. But the best. The best alternative, I think, is like we're just talking about the job wise, is so, say, if I didn't go to college, I would go try to get an internship somewhere and try out all different internships and see what I like and then hopefully work my way up from there, just like anybody else that doesn't go to college and they go to, say, like a I don't know, say they go to like Walmart, and then all of a sudden they become the managers and they become the regional managers and they somehow go to headquarters, you know, like something like that. Right, hundred percent, like it's like so so, say, like high school or work for four years and me and you went to college for four years, or they might be ahead of US technically. Right, exactly, one hundred percent, jazy. Appreciate those questions. You had some good ones right there. You got a future maybe in that. And then I think maybe I need a Zach Short Pot. I actually I really need a zack short block, because I needed, I need to see all this stuff hopefully to hopefully, you know, bunch of years down the road,...

I could do something like this. I want to keep playing, though, for now, yeah, for sure. Well, I appreciate you coming on and could you let the listeners know where they can follow you at? Yeah, follow me, I think, on my twitter is at Ze Short, underscore twenty, and then my ig is at Ze Short, underscore short. Hey, good luck to see you. I'll be checking you out. APPRECIATED BROTHER.

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